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RE: Birth Control for Dummies - 8/1/2009 5:09:01 PM

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth
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Beth, I am glad you mentioned DES. There are many young women who are too young to have much awareness of this issue. Important for us to recall, lest we disregard the enormous strides that have been made in women's health since this crisis, and that of the Dalkon Shield, first came to light.

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RE: Birth Control for Dummies - 8/1/2009 5:23:03 PM

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ORIGINAL: purepleasure ...too many men believe that it's the woman's sole responsibility...

Once upon a time, in many societies, still and not so long ago even, men took all the responsibility for when a woman would bear children. Women had no choice. Her body belonged to her father and then her husband, but never to her. Today, I am proud to be solely responsible for when, where, how, if I will have children. Men are solely responsible for when, where, how, if they will have children. It really is not a matter of 50/50 when you think about it. It is a matter of each of us being 100% responsible for ourselves.

And on a side note, the sponge was taken off the market due to a health code violation in the factory that appears to have been unrelated to that actual process under which they were made. (Something akin to not having enough restrooms at the plant, or something of that sort.)

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RE: Birth Control for Dummies - 8/1/2009 5:34:40 PM

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ORIGINAL: KneelforAnne As an aside, the NP said he may be able to feel the NuvaRing... so we'll see. She said that 90% of couples either didn't feel it or didn't mind.

I am one of the first women in my area who ever used the NuvaRing, so it had to be special ordered at my pharmacy, but I have never had any man of any size feel it with his cock. It softens with body heat and is very unobtrusive, really sinking into the soft inerfolds of the vagina, even when the tissue is quite engorged.

Even when being digitally penetrated, almost no one has even noticed it enough to mention. I had very good results with all of the types of pills I have been on over the years and switched to NuvaRing to eliminate the problem of "forgetfulness", and found it to be just that much better than OrthoNovum, OrthoTriCyclen, FemCon and whatever other pills I have been on.

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RE: Birth Control for Dummies - 8/5/2009 5:49:12 PM

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth
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Beth, I am glad you mentioned DES. There are many young women who are too young to have much awareness of this issue. Important for us to recall, lest we disregard the enormous strides that have been made in women's health since this crisis, and that of the Dalkon Shield, first came to light.

Hello Ladies,

Yes Beth, thank you!

I spoke to my mom and she said that she WAS on fertility drugs before I was born, but had in fact stopped taking them about a year before I was born because she was afraid of multiple births.

My grandma said that she was on drugs with her second child, but only after she had taken a fall. The drugs were to stop her from having a miscarriage.

Thanks, and I hope that everyone can talk to the women in their families and see what COULD be effecting them!

~anne

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RE: Birth Control for Dummies - 8/5/2009 5:51:29 PM

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... It really is not a matter of 50/50 when you think about it. It is a matter of each of us being 100% responsible for ourselves.

Very good point!
At this point, it would seem that unplanned births SHOULD take a nose dive since birthcontrol can be doubled up on AND each person can be responsible for themselves.

Thank you!

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RE: Birth Control for Dummies - 8/5/2009 5:54:31 PM

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I am one of the first women in my area who ever used the NuvaRing, so it had to be special ordered at my pharmacy, but I have never had any man of any size feel it with his cock. It softens with body heat and is very unobtrusive, really sinking into the soft inerfolds of the vagina, even when the tissue is quite engorged.

Thus far I have no issues with it. The first few days I had a mild headache, but I can't be sure it was related to the NR. I am waiting to see if there is any breatkthrough bleeding...but as of now, I have had no weird mood swings or anything.

Thanks for your help!

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RE: Birth Control for Dummies - 8/6/2009 1:52:10 AM

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glad to hear you didnt go for the iud...... i could go on a rant about hormonal contraception but instead i will just say that you should look up 'Estrogen dominance' and its causes & if you feel at any time you are experiencing any of the symptoms think about replacing the method with a non-hormonal one.

i beg ALL ladies out there to do this.... the use of artificial progesterone (progestin) can mess up your body's ability to produce natural progesterone & this can be seriously damaging to more than just your future fertility prospects!!!!!!i

Non-hormonal methods of contraception will not be pushed as heavily by doctors as these are not high earning products. however their success rate as a birth control are not significantly lower than hormonal methods if used correctly.
we use a combined method... 'Persona' a urine test ovulation kit which with responsible use can tell you which two days of your cycle you are ovulating, then around this time we have to be more careful so for about 6 days a month we also use condoms &/or spermicide gel & lots of care that NO semen gets into my vagina.... not as difficult as it may sound, just a bit of common sense and good communication as a couple required ( & lets face it with the way things tend to go semen often doesnt end up in the danger zone anyway! :) ). Of course we had to be sure that if i do fall pregnant that would not be the end of the world for us- but if we wanted to be even more sure we could always use the diaphram or sponge or natural progesterone products.
..... but after experiencing the ill effects of hormonal contraception (& trust me they have been serious) we decided that the risk of pregnancy was not as terrible a consequence as the high risks of infertility, breast cancer, other cancers & multitudes of other syndromes caused by the use of artificial hormones!!!!!

look this up, all info is available from internet, books & honest (or aware) doctors- my partner was able to get a health-service gyno to admit these things when pressed, he (the doctor) even had documentation which backed up what we had found out. this was information which would not not normally available to the public re: mirena risks and statistics & estrogen imbalance and its effects!!! (my other half just picked it up off the desk & doc had no choice but to go thru is details with us- my Partner can be very persuasive that way- god, i love a Dominant man- hehehe!)
also if you investigate deeply enough you will find that there are THOUSANDS of women out there complaining that their accounts of what is happening to them because of hormonal contraception is not being noted down in their medical records as the cause. therefore you cannot trust that the statistics of risk officially reported by drug companies are accurate as there is information missing!

ok, rant over. i hope this helps someone. good luck & stay well.
(oh, & hi E/every1 btw :D )

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RE: Birth Control for Dummies - 8/6/2009 7:04:39 PM

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ORIGINAL: KneelforAnne My grandma said that she was on drugs with her second child, but only after she had taken a fall. The drugs were to stop her from having a miscarriage.

That is precisely what DES was used for.

Diethylstilbestrol (DES) is a drug once prescribed during pregnancy to prevent miscarriages or premature deliveries. In the U.S. an estimated 5 to 10 million persons were exposed to DES from 1938 to 1971, including pregnant women prescribed DES and their children. In 1971, the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) advised physicians to stop prescribing DES because it was linked to a rare vaginal cancer.

After more than 30 years of research, there are confirmed health risks associated with DES exposure. However, not all exposed individuals will experience DES-related health problems. Whether you know for sure or suspect you were exposed to DES, you can use CDC's DES Update to learn more about DES exposure and what you can do about it.

http://www.cdc.gov/DES/

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RE: Birth Control for Dummies - 8/6/2009 9:16:26 PM

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ORIGINAL: gusha

glad to hear you didnt go for the iud...... i could go on a rant about hormonal contraception but instead i will just say that you should look up 'Estrogen dominance' and its causes & if you feel at any time you are experiencing any of the symptoms think about replacing the method with a non-hormonal one.

i beg ALL ladies out there to do this.... the use of artificial progesterone (progestin) can mess up your body's ability to produce natural progesterone & this can be seriously damaging to more than just your future fertility prospects!!!!!!i

Non-hormonal methods of contraception will not be pushed as heavily by doctors as these are not high earning products. however their success rate as a birth control are not significantly lower than hormonal methods if used correctly.
we use a combined method... 'Persona' a urine test ovulation kit which with responsible use can tell you which two days of your cycle you are ovulating, then around this time we have to be more careful so for about 6 days a month we also use condoms &/or spermicide gel & lots of care that NO semen gets into my vagina.... not as difficult as it may sound, just a bit of common sense and good communication as a couple required ( & lets face it with the way things tend to go semen often doesnt end up in the danger zone anyway! :) ). Of course we had to be sure that if i do fall pregnant that would not be the end of the world for us- but if we wanted to be even more sure we could always use the diaphram or sponge or natural progesterone products.
..... but after experiencing the ill effects of hormonal contraception (& trust me they have been serious) we decided that the risk of pregnancy was not as terrible a consequence as the high risks of infertility, breast cancer, other cancers & multitudes of other syndromes caused by the use of artificial hormones!!!!!

look this up, all info is available from internet, books & honest (or aware) doctors- my partner was able to get a health-service gyno to admit these things when pressed, he (the doctor) even had documentation which backed up what we had found out. this was information which would not not normally available to the public re: mirena risks and statistics & estrogen imbalance and its effects!!! (my other half just picked it up off the desk & doc had no choice but to go thru is details with us- my Partner can be very persuasive that way- god, i love a Dominant man- hehehe!)
also if you investigate deeply enough you will find that there are THOUSANDS of women out there complaining that their accounts of what is happening to them because of hormonal contraception is not being noted down in their medical records as the cause. therefore you cannot trust that the statistics of risk officially reported by drug companies are accurate as there is information missing!

ok, rant over. i hope this helps someone. good luck & stay well.
(oh, & hi E/every1 btw :D )

gusha,

Thanks so much for taking the time to type this all out. Now that I think about it, the NP DID seem to push the hormonal bc. She didn't even waste time with talking about sponges and never mentioned diaphrams.

Hmm.

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RE: Birth Control for Dummies - 8/6/2009 9:17:56 PM

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ORIGINAL: KneelforAnne My grandma said that she was on drugs with her second child, but only after she had taken a fall. The drugs were to stop her from having a miscarriage.
That is precisely what DES was used for.

Diethylstilbestrol (DES) is a drug once prescribed during pregnancy to prevent miscarriages or premature deliveries. In the U.S. an estimated 5 to 10 million persons were exposed to DES from 1938 to 1971, including pregnant women prescribed DES and their children. In 1971, the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) advised physicians to stop prescribing DES because it was linked to a rare vaginal cancer.

After more than 30 years of research, there are confirmed health risks associated with DES exposure. However, not all exposed individuals will experience DES-related health problems. Whether you know for sure or suspect you were exposed to DES, you can use CDC's DES Update to learn more about DES exposure and what you can do about it.

http://www.cdc.gov/DES/

Racquelle,

Thanks so much for the information!

I will make sure and pass it along to my aunt and her children.

Thanks again!

~anne

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RE: Birth Control for Dummies - 8/6/2009 11:58:23 PM

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Good for you and hope all is well with the Nuvaring!

I believe we all need to be our own advocates and it is also very liberating to be in control of ourselves in determining whether or not we want to have children.

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RE: Birth Control for Dummies - 8/7/2009 9:03:43 AM

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FYI on the DES aspect:

since 1972 there have been many MD's, Pharmaceutical Companies and guilt-ridden mothers who have denied that they prescribed, manufactured or somehow ingested diethylstilbestrol. imagine the guilt and subsequent denial brought on by taking something your MD has prescribed, as simple as a vitamin, that after 17 years or so, caused your offspring to die, have major health issues including but not limited to a higher risk of reproductive system cancers, injuries, diseases, infertility and urogenital abnormalities (for both adult male and female offspring).

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...There is not, and has never been a class action suit. Many DES-exposed people (primarily DES Daughters) have, as individuals, successfully sued the drug companies that manufactured DES – and obtained compensation... http://www.desaction.org/attorneys.htm

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...DES was so popular it became a wonder drug-widely prescribed to prevent miscarriage, given as "vitamins," and prescribed, "just in case," to make stronger, healthier babies. DES was used to treat over 100 conditions. It was fed to livestock as a growth stimulator, then showed up in hamburger, veal, and chicken. It was prescribed to suppress lactation after childbirth, distributed by college clinics as the morning-after pill, given to tall teenage girls to stunt height, and to transsexuals to prepare for sex change. It was used for treatment of acne, gynecological disorders, breast cancer, and prostate cancer. DES was used so broadly, it begs the question: How many of us are DES-exposed?...

...A popular DES regimen of 125 mg per day, recommended in the PDR, is the estrogenic equivalent of 700 birth control pills per day. Some women are given as much as 250 mg of DES per day...

(1971) DES earns notoriety as the first tranplacental carcinogen. First proof that an estrogen can cause cancer; first proof that an estrogen can cause reproductive anomalies; and evidence of a prenatal chemical exposure with a decades-long latency.

http://www.douglasandlondon.com/dn/DES.TIMELINE1.doc

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RE: Birth Control for Dummies - 8/14/2009 5:35:24 PM

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xiam the mini pill is usually given to over 3/35 women and that has not problems like the Combined pill with DVT etc.

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RE: Birth Control for Dummies - 8/14/2009 7:13:31 PM

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Anne, my experience with the diaphragm was that it was such a pain getting it in that I was then turned off and didn't want sex. Not exactly the birth control I was pushing for.

I liked the IUD a lot but it did make my periods heavier.

However I was in a committed relationship so pregnancy was the only thing to worry about. For disease transmission prevention, condoms are it.

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RE: Birth Control for Dummies - 8/15/2009 7:19:26 AM

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I'm a huge fan of the Pill myself. I used to have problems with ovarian cysts and an irregular cycle, so I was prescribed Kariva (ethinyl estradiol and desogestrel) - been on it for more than a year now. I've had some slight weight gain, maybe five pounds in the first few months, and my breasts are a little tender, but aside from that it's been fine. No blood pressure issues, my periods are shorter and ligher, my skin's clearer. None of the scary stuff my Gyno warned me about. And as a special side bonus, not having cysts anymore means I'm actually functional the week before my period and have less risk of ovarian cancer.

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RE: Birth Control for Dummies - 8/15/2009 8:53:41 AM

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Ladies,why worry with any birth control,just allow me to lick you clean,m'mmmm I love creampies

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RE: Birth Control for Dummies - 8/15/2009 9:04:07 AM

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Good for you and hope all is well with the Nuvaring!

I believe we all need to be our own advocates and it is also very liberating to be in control of ourselves in determining whether or not we want to have children.

So far so good!

I've had no issues with it falling out, no break through bleeding or anything else. The headache is gone, and life is good!

Thanks!

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RE: Birth Control for Dummies - 8/15/2009 9:08:57 AM

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imagine the guilt and subsequent denial brought on by taking something your MD has prescribed, as simple as a vitamin, that after 17 years or so, caused your offspring to die, have major health issues including but not limited to a higher risk of reproductive system cancers, injuries, diseases, infertility and urogenital abnormalities (for both adult male and female offspring).

How awful! I couldn't imagine how people would feel.

I don't know... part of me thinks that messing with anything like this is bad for you. Just let it be and use a condom with spermicide.

I am afraid of long term effects, even with something as non-invasive as the NuvaRing, because it DOES have estrogen.

I'm also worried about getting something implanted inside of me... that doesn't seem overly healthy either.

It's a strange choice to have to make.

Right now I am going to stick with NR... in the next few months I'll decide if I want to change to the Mirena or the ParaGard.....

Thank you Mercnbeth!

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RE: Birth Control for Dummies - 8/15/2009 9:10:12 AM

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xiam the mini pill is usually given to over 3/35 women and that has not problems like the Combined pill with DVT etc.

MD~

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Thanks for your post! It's always great to share information!

~anne

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RE: Birth Control for Dummies - 8/15/2009 9:12:19 AM

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Anne, my experience with the diaphragm was that it was such a pain getting it in that I was then turned off and didn't want sex. Not exactly the birth control I was pushing for.

Doesn't sound fun.

I liked the IUD a lot but it did make my periods heavier.

And you had no problems with any long term effects?

However I was in a committed relationship so pregnancy was the only thing to worry about. For disease transmission prevention, condoms are it.

Agreed, 100%!

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