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Scary facts about health care reform bill - 8/10/2009 6:30:19 AM   
Acer49


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This was sent to me this morning from someone who will be directly affected by this. At first I thought it was some sick joke, but from what I am hearing it is very real. And just when I thought those bone heads in Washington could not stoop any lower




Page 425 of Health Care BILL
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O.K. folks - I 'think' this will 'shake us up' - read and listen to the Interview - if THIS does not cause every red-blooded American to contact their Representative, I don't know what will!! It's time for ACTION! Americans!! Both Democrats and Republicans beware.

(If this doesn't make your blood boil........... nothing will!!)
Page 425 of Health Care Bill - Listen to this interview Fred Thompson's Radio Show interviewing Betsy McCaughey (pronounced Mc Coy).

On page 425 it says in black and white that EVERYONE on Social Security , (will include all Senior Citizens and SSI people) will go to MAND ATORY counseling every 5 years to learn and to choose from ways to end your suffering (and your life). Health care will be denied based on age.. 500 Billion will be cut from Seniors healthcare. The only way for that to happen is to drastically cut health care, the oldest and the sickest will be cut first. Paying for your own care will not be an option.

Now, CALL YOUR PEOPLE IN WASHINGTON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Tell them to read page 425 if they don't read anything else. Surely some of them have parents..


"ON PAGE 425 OF OBAMA’S HEALTH CARE BILL, the Federal Government will require EVERYONE who is on Social Security to undergo a counseling session every 5 years with the objective being that they will explain to them just how to end their own life earlier. Yes....They are going to push SUICIDE to cut medicare spending!"



Shock: Inside the Healthcare Bill


Page 22 of the HC Bill MANDATES the Govt will audit books of ALL EMPLOYERS that self insure!!

Page 30 Sec 123 of HC bill - THERE WILL BE A GOVT COMMITTEE that decides what treatments/benefits you get.

Page 29 lines 4-16 in the HC bill - YOUR HEALTHCARE IS RATIONED!!!

Page 42 of HC Bill - The Health Choices Commissioner will choose your HC Benefits 4 you. you have no choice!

Page 50 Section 152 in HC bill - HC will be provided to ALL non US citizens, illegal or otherwise

Page 58HC Bill - Government will have real-time access to individuals finances & a National ID Healthcard will be issued!

Pg 59 HC Bill lines 21-24 Government will have direct access to your banks accounts for electronic funds transfer

PG 65 Sec 164 is a payoff subsidized plan for retirees and their families in Unions & community orgs (ACORN).

Pg 72 Lines 8-14 Govt is creating an HC Exchange to bring private HC plans under Government control.

PG 84 Sec 203 HC bill - Government mandates ALL benefit packages for private HC plans in the Exchange

PG 85 Line 7 HC Bill - Specs for of Benefit Levels for Plans = The Government will ration your Healthcare!

PG 91 Lines 4-7 HC Bill - Government mandates linguistic appropriate services. Example - Translation for illegal aliens

Pg 95 HC Bill Lines 8-18 The Government will use groups i.e., ACORN & Americorps to sign up individuals for Government HC plan

PG 85 Line 7 HC Bill - Specs of benefit levels for Plans. #AARP members - your Health care WILL be rationed

PG 102 Lines 12-18 HC Bill - Medicaid Eligible Individuals will be automatically enrolled in Medicaid. No choice

pg 124 lines 24-25 HC No company can sue the government on price fixing. No "judicial review" against Government Monopoly.

pg 127 Lines 1-16 HC Bill - Doctors/ #AMA - The Government will tell YOU what you can make.

Pg 145 Line 15-17 An Employer MUST auto enroll employees into public option plan. NO CHOICE

Pg 126 Lines 22-25 Employers MUST pay for HC for part time employees AND their families

Pg 149 Lines 16-24 ANY Employer with payroll 401k & above who does not provide public option pays 8% tax on all payroll

pg 150 Lines 9-13 Business with payroll between 251k & 400k who doesn't provide public option pays 2-6% tax on all payroll

Pg 167 Lines 18-23 ANY individual who doesnt have acceptable HC according to Government will be taxed 2.5% of income.

Pg 170 Lines 1-3 HC Bill Any NONRESIDENT Alien is exempt from individual taxes. (Americans will pay)

Pg 195 HC Bill -officers & employees of HC Administration (GOVT) will have access to ALL Americans finances and personal records.

PG 203 Line 14-15 HC - "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax" Yes, it says that

Pg 239 Line 14-24 HC Bill Government will reduce physician services for Medicaid. Seniors, low income, poor affected

Pg 241 Line 6-8 HC Bill - Doctors, doesnt matter what specialty you have, you'll all be paid the same

PG 253 Line 10-18 Government sets value of a Doctor's time, professional judgment, etc. Literally value of humans.

PG 265 Sec 1131Government mandates & controls productivity for private HC industries

PG 268 Sec 1141 Federal Government regulates rental & purchase of power driven wheelchairs

PG 272 SEC. 1145. TREATMENT OF CERTAIN CANCER HOSPITALS - Cancer patients - welcome to rationing!

Page 280 Sec 1151 The Government will penalize hospitals for what Government deems preventable readmissions.

Pg 298 Lines 9-11 Doctors, treat a patient during initial admission that results in a re-admission the Government will penalize you.

Pg 317 L 13-20 PROHIBITION on ownership/investment. Government tells Doctors what/how much they can own.

Pg 317-318 lines 21-25,1-3 PROHIBITION on expansion- Government is mandating hospitals cannot expand

pg 321 2-13 Hospitals have oppt to apply for exception BUT community input required. Can u say ACORN?!!

Pg335 L 16-25 Pg 336-339 - Government mandates establishment of outcome based measures. HC the way they want. Rationing

Pg 341 Lines 3-9 Government has authority to disqualify Medicare Adv Plans, HMOs, etc. Forcing peeps in to Government plan

Pg 354 Sec 1177 - Government will RESTRICT enrollment of Special needs people!

Pg 379 Sec 1191 Government creates more bureaucracy - Telehealth Advisory Committe. Can you say HC by phone?

PG 425 Lines 4-12 Government mandates Advance Care Planning Consultation. Think Senior Citizens end of life

Pg 425 Lines 17-19 Governmentt will instruct & consult regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney Mandatory!

PG 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3 Government provides approved list of end of life resources, guiding you in death

PG 427 Lines 15-24 Governmentt mandates program for orders for end of life. The Government has a say in how your life ends

Pg 429 Lines 1-9 An "advance care planning consult" will be used frequently as patients health deteriorates

PG 429 Lines 10-12 "advance care consultation" may include an ORDER for end of life plans. AN ORDER from government.

Pg 429 Lines 13-25 - The government will specify which Doctors can write an end of life order.

PG 430 Lines 11-15 The Government will decide what level of treatment you will have at end of life

Pg 469 - Community Based Home Medical Services=Non profit orgs. Hello, ACORN Medical Services here!!?

Page 472 Lines 14-17 PAYMENT TO COMMUNITY-BASED ORG. 1 monthly payment to a community-based org. Like ACORN?

PG 489 Sec 1308 The Government will cover Marriage & Family therapy. Which means they will insert Government into your marriage

Pg 494-498 Government will cover Mental Health Services including defining, creating, rationing those services


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RE: Scary facts about health care reform bill - 8/10/2009 6:44:41 AM   
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So when I got to the part about ACORN, I stopped reading. Primarily because anyone who seems to be bringing up ACORN in a negative light in association with Obama, doesn't really understand the nature of the organization and often then starts spewing stuff that isn't true or they don't really know anything about.

Passing this type of stuff on without verification of what's listed is fear mongering and shows a great lack of intelligence of the person passing it on.

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RE: Scary facts about health care reform bill - 8/10/2009 6:51:22 AM   
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Here is the section relating to advanced directives... which... is already mandatory for every health care professional, including nurses, to discuss with patients in hospitals.

5 SEC. 1233. ADVANCE CARE PLANNING CONSULTATION.
6 (a) MEDICARE.—
7 (1) IN GENERAL.—Section 1861 of the Social
8 Security Act (42 U.S.C. 1395x) is amended—
9 (A) in subsection (s)(2)—
10 (i) by striking ‘‘and’’ at the end of
11 subparagraph (DD);
12 (ii) by adding ‘‘and’’ at the end of
13 subparagraph (EE); and
14 (iii) by adding at the end the fol15
lowing new subparagraph:
16 ‘‘(FF) advance care planning consultation (as
17 defined in subsection (hhh)(1));’’; and
18 (B) by adding at the end the following new
19 subsection:
20 ‘‘Advance Care Planning Consultation
21 ‘‘(hhh)(1) Subject to paragraphs (3) and (4), the
22 term ‘advance care planning consultation’ means a con
23 sultation between the individual and a practitioner de
24 scribed in paragraph (2) regarding advance care planning,
25 if, subject to paragraph (3), the individual involved has


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1 not had such a consultation within the last 5 years. Such
2 consultation shall include the following:
3 ‘‘(A) An explanation by the practitioner of ad
4 vance care planning, including key questions and
5 considerations, important steps, and suggested peo
6 ple to talk to.
7 ‘‘(B) An explanation by the practitioner of ad
8 vance directives, including living wills and durable
9 powers of attorney, and their uses.
10 ‘‘(C) An explanation by the practitioner of the
11 role and responsibilities of a health care proxy.
12 ‘‘(D) The provision by the practitioner of a list
13 of national and State-specific resources to assist con
14 sumers and their families with advance care plan
15 ning, including the national toll-free hotline, the ad
16 vance care planning clearinghouses, and State legal
17 service organizations (including those funded
18 through the Older Americans Act of 1965).
19 ‘‘(E) An explanation by the practitioner of the
20 continuum of end-of-life services and supports avail
21 able, including palliative care and hospice, and bene
22 fits for such services and supports that are available
23 under this title.


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1 ‘‘(F)(i) Subject to clause (ii), an explanation of
2 orders regarding life sustaining treatment or similar
3 orders, which shall include—
4 ‘‘(I) the reasons why the development of
5 such an order is beneficial to the individual and
6 the individual’s family and the reasons why
7 such an order should be updated periodically as
8 the health of the individual changes;
9 ‘‘(II) the information needed for an indi10
vidual or legal surrogate to make informed deci11
sions regarding the completion of such an
12 order; and
13 ‘‘(III) the identification of resources that
14 an individual may use to determine the require15
ments of the State in which such individual re16
sides so that the treatment wishes of that indi17
vidual will be carried out if the individual is un18
able to communicate those wishes, including re19
quirements regarding the designation of a sur20
rogate decisionmaker (also known as a health
21 care proxy).
22 ‘‘(ii) The Secretary shall limit the requirement
23 for explanations under clause (i) to consultations
24 furnished in a State—
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1 ‘‘(I) in which all legal barriers have been
2 addressed for enabling orders for life sustaining
3 treatment to constitute a set of medical orders
4 respected across all care settings; and
5 ‘‘(II) that has in effect a program for or6
ders for life sustaining treatment described in
7 clause (iii).
8 ‘‘(iii) A program for orders for life sustaining
9 treatment for a States described in this clause is a
10 program that—
11 ‘‘(I) ensures such orders are standardized
12 and uniquely identifiable throughout the State;
13 ‘‘(II) distributes or makes accessible such
14 orders to physicians and other health profes15
sionals that (acting within the scope of the pro16
fessional’s authority under State law) may sign
17 orders for life sustaining treatment;
18 ‘‘(III) provides training for health care
19 professionals across the continuum of care
20 about the goals and use of orders for life sus21
taining treatment; and
22 ‘‘(IV) is guided by a coalition of stake23
holders includes representatives from emergency
24 medical services, emergency department physi25
cians or nurses, state long-term care associa-
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1 tion, state medical association, state surveyors,
2 agency responsible for senior services, state de3
partment of health, state hospital association,
4 home health association, state bar association,
5 and state hospice association.
6 ‘‘(2) A practitioner described in this paragraph is—
7 ‘‘(A) a physician (as defined in subsection
8 (r)(1)); and
9 ‘‘(B) a nurse practitioner or physician’s assist10
ant who has the authority under State law to sign
11 orders for life sustaining treatments.
12 ‘‘(3)(A) An initial preventive physical examination
13 under subsection (WW), including any related discussion
14 during such examination, shall not be considered an ad15
vance care planning consultation for purposes of applying
16 the 5-year limitation under paragraph (1).
17 ‘‘(B) An advance care planning consultation with re18
spect to an individual may be conducted more frequently
19 than provided under paragraph (1) if there is a significant
20 change in the health condition of the individual, including
21 diagnosis of a chronic, progressive, life-limiting disease, a
22 life-threatening or terminal diagnosis or life-threatening
23 injury, or upon admission to a skilled nursing facility, a
24 long-term care facility (as defined by the Secretary), or
25 a hospice program.
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1 ‘‘(4) A consultation under this subsection may in2
clude the formulation of an order regarding life sustaining
3 treatment or a similar order.
4 ‘‘(5)(A) For purposes of this section, the term ‘order
5 regarding life sustaining treatment’ means, with respect
6 to an individual, an actionable medical order relating to
7 the treatment of that individual that—
8 ‘‘(i) is signed and dated by a physician (as de9
fined in subsection (r)(1)) or another health care
10 professional (as specified by the Secretary and who
11 is acting within the scope of the professional’s au12
thority under State law in signing such an order, in13
cluding a nurse practitioner or physician assistant)
14 and is in a form that permits it to stay with the in15
dividual and be followed by health care professionals
16 and providers across the continuum of care;
17 ‘‘(ii) effectively communicates the individual’s
18 preferences regarding life sustaining treatment, in19
cluding an indication of the treatment and care de20
sired by the individual;
21 ‘‘(iii) is uniquely identifiable and standardized
22 within a given locality, region, or State (as identified
23 by the Secretary); and


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RE: Scary facts about health care reform bill - 8/10/2009 7:04:46 AM   
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Page 22 of the HC Bill MANDATES the Govt will audit books of ALL EMPLOYERS that self insure!!

22 (b) STUDY AND REPORTS.—
23 (1) STUDY.—The Commissioner, in coordina24
tion with the Secretary of Health and Human Serv25
ices and the Secretary of Labor, shall conduct a
26 study of the large group insured and self-insured

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1 employer health care markets. Such study shall ex
2 amine the following:
3 (A) The types of employers by key charac
4 teristics, including size, that purchase insured
5 products versus those that self-insure.
6 (B) The similarities and differences be
7 tween typical insured and self-insured health
8 plans.
9 (C) The financial solvency and capital re
10 serve levels of employers that self-insure by em
11 ployer size.
12 (D) The risk of self-insured employers not
13 being able to pay obligations or otherwise be
14 coming financially insolvent.
15 (E) The extent to which rating rules are
16 likely to cause adverse selection in the large
17 group market or to encourage small and mid
18 size employers to self-insure

This is talking about studying the companies that are self insured. not all companies. An example of this would be Workman's Comp. Some companies go with a self insured company that manages it for them, but they have to follow federal guidelines.

Here is a link to one

http://www.calsig.com/

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RE: Scary facts about health care reform bill - 8/10/2009 7:05:51 AM   
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An advanced directive details what kind of medical care and measures you want in the event you can not voice your wishes.

"A good advance directive describes the kind of treatment you would want depending on how sick you are. For example, the directives would describe what kind of care you want if you have an illness that you are unlikely to recover from, or if you are permanently unconscious. Advance directives usually tell your doctor that you don't want certain kinds of treatment. However, they can also say that you want a certain treatment no matter how ill you are."

http://familydoctor.org/online/famdocen/home/pat-advocacy/endoflife/003.html 




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RE: Scary facts about health care reform bill - 8/10/2009 7:14:10 AM   
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Page 30 Sec 123 of HC bill - THERE WILL BE A GOVT COMMITTEE that decides what treatments/benefits you get.


11 SEC. 123. HEALTH BENEFITS ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
12 (a) ESTABLISHMENT.—
13 (1) IN GENERAL.—There is established a pri
14 vate-public advisory committee which shall be a
15 panel of medical and other experts to be known as
16 the Health Benefits Advisory Committee to rec
17 ommend covered benefits and essential, enhanced,
18 and premium plans.
19 (2) CHAIR.—The Surgeon General shall be a
20 member and the chair of the Health Benefits Advi
21 sory Committee.
22 (3) MEMBERSHIP.—The Health Benefits Advi
23 sory Committee shall be composed of the following
24 members, in addition to the Surgeon General:

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1 (A) 9 members who are not Federal em
2 ployees or officers and who are appointed by
3 the President.
4 (B) 9 members who are not Federal em
5 ployees or officers and who are appointed by
6 the Comptroller General of the United States in
7 a manner similar to the manner in which the
8 Comptroller General appoints members to the
9 Medicare Payment Advisory Commission under
10 section 1805(c) of the Social Security Act.
11 (C) Such even number of members (not to
12 exceed 8) who are Federal employees and offi
13 cers, as the President may appoint.
14 Such initial appointments shall be made not later
15 than 60 days after the date of the enactment of this
16 Act.

17 (4) TERMS.—Each member of the Health Bene
18 fits Advisory Committee shall serve a 3-year term on
19 the Committee, except that the terms of the initial
20 members shall be adjusted in order to provide for a
21 staggered term of appointment for all such mem
22 bers.
23 (5) PARTICIPATION.—The membership of the
24 Health Benefits Advisory Committee shall at least
25 reflect providers, consumer representatives, employ-

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1 ers, labor, health insurance issuers, experts in health
2 care financing and delivery, experts in racial and
3 ethnic disparities, experts in care for those with dis
4 abilities, representatives of relevant governmental
5 agencies. and at least one practicing physician or
6 other health professional and an expert on children’s
7 health and shall represent a balance among various
8 sectors of the health care system so that no single
9 sector unduly influences the recommendations of
10 such Committee.
11 (b) DUTIES.—
12 (1) RECOMMENDATIONS ON BENEFIT STAND
13 ARDS.—The Health Benefits Advisory Committee
14 shall recommend to the Secretary of Health and
15 Human Services (in this subtitle referred to as the
16 ‘‘Secretary’’) benefit standards (as defined in para
17 graph (4)), and periodic updates to such standards.
18 In developing such recommendations, the Committee
19 shall take into account innovation in health care and
20 consider how such standards could reduce health dis
21 parities

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RE: Scary facts about health care reform bill - 8/10/2009 7:28:28 AM   
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Page 29 lines 4-16 in the HC bill - YOUR HEALTHCARE IS RATIONED!!!

21 SEC. 122. ESSENTIAL BENEFITS PACKAGE DEFINED.
22 (a) IN GENERAL.—In this division, the term ‘‘essen23
tial benefits package’’ means health benefits coverage,
24 consistent with standards adopted under section 124 to



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1 ensure the provision of quality health care and financial
2 security, that—
3 (1) provides payment for the items and services
4 described in subsection (b) in accordance with gen5
erally accepted standards of medical or other appro6
priate clinical or professional practice;
7 (2) limits cost-sharing for such covered health
8 care items and services in accordance with such ben9
efit standards, consistent with subsection (c);
10 (3) does not impose any annual or lifetime limit
11 on the coverage of covered health care items and
12 services;
13 (4) complies with section 115(a) (relating to
14 network adequacy); and
15 (5) is equivalent, as certified by Office of the
16 Actuary of the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid
17 Services, to the average prevailing employer-spon
18 sored coverage.
19 (b) MINIMUM SERVICES TO BE COVERED.—The
20 items and services described in this subsection are the fol21
lowing:
22 (1) Hospitalization.
23 (2) Outpatient hospital and outpatient clinic
24 services, including emergency department services.

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1 (3) Professional services of physicians and other
2 health professionals.
3 (4) Such services, equipment, and supplies inci
4 dent to the services of a physician’s or a health pro
5 fessional’s delivery of care in institutional settings,
6 physician offices, patients’ homes or place of resi
7 dence, or other settings, as appropriate.
8 (5) Prescription drugs.
9 (6) Rehabilitative and habilitative services.
10 (7) Mental health and substance use disorder
11 services.
12 (8) Preventive services, including those services
13 recommended with a grade of A or B by the Task
14 Force on Clinical Preventive Services and those vac
15 cines recommended for use by the Director of the
16 Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
17 (9) Maternity care.
18 (10) Well baby and well child care and oral
19 health, vision, and hearing services, equipment, and
20 supplies at least for children under 21 years of age.
21 (c) REQUIREMENTS RELATING TO COST-SHARING
22 AND MINIMUM ACTUARIAL VALUE.—
23 (1) NO COST-SHARING FOR PREVENTIVE SERV
24 ICES.—There shall be no cost-sharing under the es
25 sential benefits package for preventive items and

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1 services (as specified under the benefit standards),
2 including well baby and well child care.
3 (2) ANNUAL LIMITATION.—
4 (A) ANNUAL LIMITATION.—The cost-shar
5 ing incurred under the essential benefits pack
6 age with respect to an individual (or family) for
7 a year does not exceed the applicable level spec
8 ified in subparagraph (B).
9 (B) APPLICABLE LEVEL.—The applicable
10 level specified in this subparagraph for Y1 is
11 $5,000 for an individual and $10,000 for a
12 family. Such levels shall be increased (rounded
13 to the nearest $100) for each subsequent year

14 by the annual percentage increase in the Con
15 sumer Price Index (United States city average)
16 applicable to such year.

17 (C) USE OF COPAYMENTS.—In establishing
18 cost-sharing levels for basic, enhanced, and pre
19 mium plans under this subsection, the Sec
20 retary shall, to the maximum extent possible,
21 use only copayments and not coinsurance.
22 (3) MINIMUM ACTUARIAL VALUE.—
23 (A) IN GENERAL.—The cost-sharing under
24 the essential benefits package shall be designed
25 to provide a level of coverage that is designed

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1 to provide benefits that are actuarially equiva
2 lent to approximately 70 percent of the full ac
3 tuarial value of the benefits provided under the
4 reference benefits package described in sub
5 paragraph (B).
6 (B) REFERENCE BENEFITS PACKAGE DE
7 SCRIBED.—The reference benefits package de
8 scribed in this subparagraph is the essential
9 benefits package if there were no cost-sharing
10 imposed.

Cost sharing is defined by the plan as follows

11 (4) COST-SHARING.—The term ‘‘cost-sharing’’
12 includes deductibles, coinsurance, copayments, and
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1 similar charges but does not include premiums or
2 any network payment differential for covered serv
3 ices or spending for non-covered services.

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RE: Scary facts about health care reform bill - 8/10/2009 7:42:48 AM   
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Page 42 of HC Bill - The Health Choices Commissioner will choose your HC Benefits 4 you. you have no choice!


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1 sioner of Social Security and the Social Security Ad
2 ministration.
3 SEC. 142. DUTIES AND AUTHORITY OF COMMISSIONER.
4 (a) DUTIES.—The Commissioner is responsible for
5 carrying out the following functions under this division:
6 (1) QUALIFIED PLAN STANDARDS.—The estab
7 lishment of qualified health benefits plan standards
8 under this title, including the enforcement of such
9 standards in coordination with State insurance regu
10 lators and the Secretaries of Labor and the Treas
11 ury.
12 (2) HEALTH INSURANCE EXCHANGE.—The es
13 tablishment and operation of a Health Insurance
14 Exchange under subtitle A of title II.
15 (3) INDIVIDUAL AFFORDABILITY CREDITS.—
16 The administration of individual affordability credits
17 under subtitle C of title II, including determination
18 of eligibility for such credits.
19 (4) ADDITIONAL FUNCTIONS.—Such additional
20 functions as may be specified in this division.
21 (b) PROMOTING ACCOUNTABILITY.—
22 (1) IN GENERAL.—The Commissioner shall un
23 dertake activities in accordance with this subtitle to
24 promote accountability of QHBP offering entities in
25 meeting Federal health insurance requirements, re-

maybe i missed it... i dont see that written, or even alluded too, anywhere on page



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RE: Scary facts about health care reform bill - 8/10/2009 7:57:02 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: BoiJen

So when I got to the part about ACORN, I stopped reading. Primarily because anyone who seems to be bringing up ACORN in a negative light in association with Obama, doesn't really understand the nature of the organization and often then starts spewing stuff that isn't true or they don't really know anything about.

Passing this type of stuff on without verification of what's listed is fear mongering and shows a great lack of intelligence of the person passing it on.

boi



I stopped reading when I heard Fred Thompson and Betsy McCaughey.

This was the same interview debunked on another thread.

McCaughey has been a paid lobbyist opposing health care since the Clinton health plan in the early '90's.

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RE: Scary facts about health care reform bill - 8/10/2009 7:57:29 AM   
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Page 50 Section 152 in HC bill - HC will be provided to ALL non US citizens, illegal or otherwise

21 SEC. 152. PROHIBITING DISCRIMINATION IN HEALTH CARE.
22 (a) IN GENERAL.—Except as otherwise explicitly per
23 mitted by this Act and by subsequent regulations con
24 sistent with this Act, all health care and related services
25 (including insurance coverage and public health activities)

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•HR 3200 IH
1 covered by this Act shall be provided without regard to
2 personal characteristics extraneous to the provision of
3 high quality health care or related services.
4 (b) IMPLEMENTATION.—To implement the require
5 ment set forth in subsection (a), the Secretary of Health
6 and Human Services shall, not later than 18 months after
7 the date of the enactment of this Act, promulgate such
8 regulations as are necessary or appropriate to insure that
9 all health care and related services (including insurance
10 coverage and public health activities) covered by this Act
11 are provided (whether directly or through contractual, li
12 censing, or other arrangements) without regard to per
13 sonal characteristics extraneous to the provision of high
14 quality health care or related services.
15 SEC. 153. WHISTLEBLOWER PROTECTION.

if that says they are eligable.. then they are... however i believe many have vowed to exclude them. which, may not be such a good thing because they will still be affecting health care costs.

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RE: Scary facts about health care reform bill - 8/10/2009 7:58:25 AM   
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All of these scary "facts" are not facts. I would debunk someof them, but tazzy seems to have that under control.


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RE: Scary facts about health care reform bill - 8/10/2009 8:02:08 AM   
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In essence, its not a sick joke... its just sick. Scaring people with lies.... tsk tsk. Then assuming its all real without even attempting to discover for yourself if what is being said is true or not, but, allowing others to think for you, is just as scary.

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RE: Scary facts about health care reform bill - 8/10/2009 8:24:18 AM   
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quote:

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In essence, its not a sick joke... its just sick. Scaring people with lies.... tsk tsk. Then assuming its all real without even attempting to discover for yourself if what is being said is true or not, but, allowing others to think for you, is just as scary.


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RE: Scary facts about health care reform bill - 8/10/2009 8:28:01 AM   
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what "scares" me is how the Obama administration has not deemed it fit to come out publically and decisively against these lies.

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RE: Scary facts about health care reform bill - 8/10/2009 8:44:25 AM   
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Well, because they have been accused of being Big Brother or Nazis for soliciting people about the rumors for this so they can counteract it.

But as I am sure all of you know, the OPs right, this would affect Joe the Plumber.  If he can't get a job, he can be forced to have free healthcare..................LOLOLOL 

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RE: Scary facts about health care reform bill - 8/10/2009 8:51:40 AM   
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I need to look up the word "fact" in the dictionary. It apparently doesn't mean what i thought it meant.

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RE: Scary facts about health care reform bill - 8/10/2009 9:01:17 AM   
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see also:

SCARY and SHITHOUSE LAWYERS 

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!

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RE: Scary facts about health care reform bill - 8/10/2009 9:01:27 AM   
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ok.. sorry.. and thank you rule

my posts did not indicate i was pulling lines from teh OP's initial post and answering each seperately. its too late now to edit it. sorry for the confusion. the first line in each, except the one relating to page 425, are the items i pulled from the initial post. hope that helps.

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RE: Scary facts about health care reform bill - 8/10/2009 9:23:23 AM   
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All I have to say is Tazzy thankyou, altho I doubt it will be digested by the OP, just like my friend with the death panel issue.
I also find it troublesome that no matter if the Pres did try to put these rumours to death, we already have people saying they wont watch him on tv and it would be lies anyway.
oooooh after Palins facebook death panel posting, we now have this to  puzzle after
Also this week, Alaskans will join Senators Murkowski and Begich in town hall meetings to discuss the current health care legislation. There are many disturbing details in the current bill that Washington is trying to rush through Congress, but we must stick to a discussion of the issues and not get sidetrackd by tactics that can be accused of leading to intimidation or harassment. Such tactics diminish our nation’s civil discourse which we need now more than ever because the fine print in this outrageous health care proposal must be understood clearly and not get lost in conscientious voters’ passion to want to make elected officials hear what we are saying. Let’s not give the proponents of nationalized health care any reason to criticize us.
http://www.facebook.com/sarahpalin?v=app_2347471856&viewas=0

Seems Gingrich agrees with her about the death panel too,
http://abcnews.go.com/video/playerIndex?id=8287396

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RE: Scary facts about health care reform bill - 8/10/2009 9:57:22 AM   
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oooooh after Palins facebook death panel posting, we now have this to  puzzle after
Also this week, Alaskans will join Senators Murkowski and Begich in town hall meetings to discuss the current health care legislation. There are many disturbing details in the current bill that Washington is trying to rush through Congress, but we must stick to a discussion of the issues and not get sidetrackd by tactics that can be accused of leading to intimidation or harassment. Such tactics diminish our nation’s civil discourse which we need now more than ever because the fine print in this outrageous health care proposal must be understood clearly and not get lost in conscientious voters’ passion to want to make elected officials hear what we are saying. Let’s not give the proponents of nationalized health care any reason to criticize us.
http://www.facebook.com/sarahpalin?v=app_2347471856&viewas=0


When will people leave this poor woman alone already?

I just don't understand these endless, vicious attacks on her when all she is trying to do is lead a quiet life as a mother and homemaker.

You clearly are infatuated with her.  That's the only reasonable explanation.


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quote:


Seems Gingrich agrees with her about the death panel too,
http://abcnews.go.com/video/playerIndex?id=8287396/


I love this one, the former speaker of the House, who was reprimanded for ethics violations and later forced to resign, now claiming we can't trust government.

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