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RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OL... - 8/12/2009 9:13:24 AM   
AAkasha


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ORIGINAL: pyroaquatic

I've literally given my own shirt off of my back before.

I just don't like money and I know these things cost exactly that. It was the attitude in which the OP had that jarred me. Not everyone is like that and it rubbed me the wrong way.




There is a larger problem at work though, I have observed.  Both sides (femdoms and subs) are so cynical and so "afraid of being used" that they put up barriers and/or make demands that turn the other side off.   Just as many femdoms who want to tell a potential sub to "put your money (or effort) where your mouth is" early on, many subs have such a fear of being used or ripped off that they make a conscious effort to not invest anything - financially OR emotionally - until they can be assured that the woman is "the real thing."

The result is that the femdoms come across looking like gold diggers or users, and the subs come across as cheap or tightwads because they won't even invest what's considered traditional vanilla courtship - picking up the tab at dinner, bringing a romantic (inexpensive) gift, etc.  I am increasingly frustrated with some subs that seem to use this as an excuse to be lazy; they basically want to be sure they don't invest ANYTHING before they are seeing some evidence of domination or getting something in return.  That's fine and good, but when Joe Vanilla down the street is at least willing to court in a traditional manner, femdoms are going to start increasingly not giving these "conservative" subs a second look. 

Femdoms respond to chivalry, good manners, class.  Sadly, this does cost on some level; in traditional dating, men court the lady and make efforts to gain her attention.  It can be a fine dinner or it can be a handwritten note - the generosity is key, but the context is fine.  Mr. Rich Guy who brags about his money or makes it clear he's got tons of disposable income may be "expected" to take a lady out to a meal, whereas Mr. Poor College Kid may be expected to pick up a coffee tab -- or at least offer to.

Many subs, though, because of the whole scam thing, won't invest anything, not a dime, until they feel they are getting a return on their investment. This makes them look cheap and lazy, because even the biggest blockhead vanilla frat dude knows that it's traditional to take a woman out and at least OFFER to pay, and know that a woman of means often will want to split it or not let him pay.

Common sense and common courtesy dictate that the person pursuing is the person paying.  Someone pointed this out pretty bluntly recently. When courting I rarely ever let a guy pay for anything - but that's because I preferred to be the one asking a guy out, and I picked my own "prey".  But if a sub is courting a femdom, he should at least expect to invest something, whether it be financial or time. If he is completely unwilling to make any gesture of affection to win her attention, he's going to come across as cheap.

Considering that we are talking about a "female domination" dynamic, it's even more ironic that some so-called "submissives" are clutching their wallet with one hand and their cock with the other.

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RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OL... - 8/12/2009 9:27:55 AM   
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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

In the sense that I mean the word, a 'tribute' could just as easily be given by a domme to a submale.  It's an interesting thought  . . .


Someone I'm very much looking forward to meeting when I visit the UK in October has been extremely helpful to me:  he's written the Home Office on my behalf, trying to find out when a new law that applies to me will take effect; he's sent me links to helpful web sites; and he's already ordered tickets for the Frieze show, a St. Martin-in-the-Fields concert, and an opera, thereby removing a handful of tasks from my to-do list, and none of this was at my instigation; he volunteered to do these things.

This helpfulness has prompted me to get him a rather nice, slightly early birthday/thank-you gift, which I most likely wouldn't have done for someone I hadn't yet met, and who hadn't been so helpful.

So, what's going on here?  Is he tributing me with his time and effort and am I tributing him back with a nicer gift than I would otherwise have bought?  Or is it just one person's generosity of spirit prompting generosity of spirit in someone else?  I'd like to think the latter, because I really, really hate the idea of d/s tribute.

Anyone who enters into a relationship with me expecting a quid pro quo will likely get nothing.  Anyone who enters into a relationship with me giving of himself for its own sake will likely get back as much or more than he invests, and it has nothing to do with money.  Motivation has always been a huge factor in my considering a potential partner. 

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RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OL... - 8/12/2009 9:31:04 AM   
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Status: offline 		Allthatjazz: No you were not wrong in your perception; others may attempt to sanitize greed and un-scrupulousness by entwining the words demand and gift, but if it’s demanded, it is not a gift, nor has it anything at all to do generosity, respect, dedication, commitments or the expression of adoration and esteem.
I recently gave a Christmas gift to my secretary. A gift that stems from nothing more then respect for her longevity, hard work and commitment to the company. When my partners heard about it they wanted to reimburse me the cost, I of course declined, it was my gift.
I gave her a condo in St Thomas, she had used it often and always loved being there, so I just had the title and deed transferred from my name to her name. Would I give one thin dime to anyone beleiving they could demand it of me, not in this lifetime?

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RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OL... - 8/12/2009 10:07:11 AM   
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I would be enchanted with expensive things if my mens could afford them...  but in the meantime, small things that show that I was thought of are just lovely.  THAT is the whole point, that someone got to know me and what I like, saw something that I would like, and got it for me!  Isn't that why ANYONE gives a gift?

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RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OL... - 8/12/2009 10:25:56 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Venatrix



So, what's going on here?  Is he tributing me with his time and effort and am I tributing him back with a nicer gift than I would otherwise have bought?  Or is it just one person's generosity of spirit prompting generosity of spirit in someone else?  I'd like to think the latter, because I really, really hate the idea of d/s tribute.




I have been thinking a lot about this post today (I'm sanding yacht varnish and so have plenty of time to think!!) and what you say here is very much my line of thought.
All these giving of things is nothing or should be nothing to do with D/s but to do with a relationship, any relationship.
I used to date a vanilla guy that was always bringing me surprise gifts which was nice but it was never anything to do with D/s because there was none.

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RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OL... - 8/12/2009 10:48:05 AM   
LaTigresse


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Status: offline 		One of the nicest gifts ever given to me was a raw semi precious gem stone that someone made a special effort to hike up a mountain and find, just for me. She wasn't asked to do it. I expected nothing from her but her time. It isn't the only gift she ever game me, none of which I asked for. I keep it nearby.

I have received priceless one of a kind jewelry, paintings, sculpture, and beautiful clothing. None of it was EVER expected or asked for. They were gifts given that they knew would mean something to me. Perhaps my domme card should be revoked since I like to give people gifts also. The gifts I give often reflect me, my talents, and what I know that person will enjoy. Many have no real material value aside from my time. Some have been more pricey when I could afford it.

I don't look at potential return when giving someone a gift. I do it because I WANT TO. I expect the same to be true of those giving the gifts I've accepted. They did it because they wanted to do or give, something nice, to please me.

Then again, no one online has ever asked me to create a paypal account to help with my bills either (lord knows I could use it right now)........ I must be doing something wrong.


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RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OL... - 8/12/2009 10:54:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		TexasMaam, I loved Your post.....it gave me warm fuzzies all over.  I only wish I could do so much for my Sir. 

quote:

ORIGINAL: VanIsleKnight

*grumbles*

Alright.  But it seems nobody is accepting that fact that there are many, many women out there that see men as dollar bills and nice things and nothing more.


VIK, LadySweetOrSour and DarkSteven have made some very good points below, and I'm inclined to agree with Them.

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadySweetOrSour

Millions of male subs try to treat Mistresses like whores to be used as THEY see fit VIK. It happens across the board, not just with women.

That said, you made a nice apology and explanation, then ruined it by continuing to rant about golddiggers. Let it be.



Absolutely.  There are a lot of do-me subs out there, women as well as men.....it's wrong, just plain wrong.....as a sub I can't stand that.  They bitch and moan if everything doesn't always go their way & it gives us all a bad name.

quote:

ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

It's simple.  The sub gives something to the Dom/me.  It could be their time, their tasks, their body, their money.  It's serving.


Again, absolutely!!  I love to give Sir gifts.  He doesn't expect it, but I love to.  I don't gripe about it.  I would do anything and give anything within my power for/to Him.  I feel that's the way it should be. 


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RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OL... - 8/12/2009 10:56:54 AM   
pyroaquatic


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Status: offline 		I fall into the category of poor college kid...

and picking up a coffee bill is no problem for me. I would rather do it just because I want to not because it is expected of me. I highly dislike peoples expectations of me. I tend to disappoint them.

Expect nothing from me and I will give you my world.

I don't expect anything from anyone.

Perhaps I should just give my entire measly paycheck to my Domme. I don't have to deal with money and She is happy.

and I hope you are not referring to me as a so-called submissive.


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RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OL... - 8/12/2009 10:59:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		I had a relationship with a man who actually saw me... I had many gifts in life and had given many myself and many were valuable. So when he said... I have something for you, you will love it... for a moment I panicked! Inside I groaned... no... not a ring...(it was about that time in our relationship, for commitments and such).

Into the room he entered again, huge... smiling big, with a stack of packages of notebook paper and a huge handful of pens. I melted! I laughed! He had seen what was most important to me outside of people and that was my writing. We didn't have computers back then. I was supporting my sister's family and was broke. He came over one day and found me writing on paper bags and on my last pen.

He saw what was in my heart and he gave me what would most please me. I call that the greatest gift, besides a person... that anyone ever gave me. He gave me what was in my heart, from his heart.

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RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OL... - 8/12/2009 11:07:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		No, but whiny does fit quite well.

That is one thing I cannot STAND when it comes to these conversations......"poor pathetic me, I have no money so I am just going to sit here and self righteously whine about the evil money grubbing women that keep rejecting me."

It's bullshit. I cannot think of one dominant woman I admire, and there are quite a few, either pro or not, that demands cash or expensive gifts from all prospective sub/slaves. I have seen a few great sub/slave guys that have made me wish I had an interest in dicks because of their qualities that had NOTHING at ALL to do with their income. I am THRILLED when I see one of those guys get snapped up by a wonderful dominant woman that sees what I saw. A few of them, I've sat and wondered to myself......"how bad does he really need sex because I would love having that guy around.......?"

Then there are the greater percentile that do nothing more than piss and whine about how bad off they have it. No wonder they cannot find someone, they turn me off just imagining being around them.

I am not saying there are not women wanting to simply suck the dollar bills out of a guy's wallet, but in seeing what I do of many of the male s types, quite honestly, that's about all they might be good for. I would made them pay also. (of course I would make them pay an awful lot more cuz I am bloody awful intolerant of whiny men that are obsessed about their dicks)


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RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OL... - 8/12/2009 11:10:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		Lockit, that is sooooo sweet!!

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RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OL... - 8/12/2009 11:19:00 AM   
pyroaquatic


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Status: offline 		So I come off as a whiny dick-obsessed poor slob? Well... that is not the worst thing I have heard.

and at this point I am done trying to find a Domme. I am sad that I do not have one but there is far to much bullshit involved for me to even start. I have a difficult time keeping friends because how strange I am.... or needy.

as to sex, it is not required to have a relationship with a Domme.

Just don't tell me how it is supposed to be done and let's not have me talk about money any longer.



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RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OL... - 8/12/2009 11:37:44 AM   
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It's bullshit. I cannot think of one dominant woman I admire, and there are quite a few, either pro or not, that demands cash or expensive gifts from all prospective sub/slaves. I have seen a few great sub/slave guys that have made me wish I had an interest in dicks because of their qualities that had NOTHING at ALL to do with their income. I am THRILLED when I see one of those guys get snapped up by a wonderful dominant woman that sees what I saw. A few of them, I've sat and wondered to myself......"how bad does he really need sex because I would love having that guy around.......?"


Sorry for the snip, LaT, but I've got to tell you, I've thought the same thing a time or two in regards to female subs.  More than once I've thought to Myself, damn, I'd love to have that gal for My very own.

I'm not watching varnish dry, but as I'm unpacking I keep thinking about this thread.  There's something that keeps gnawing at Me.  That's the part about part of the gifts being floggers and other toys for mutual enjoyment. 

Now, I'll be honest here.  I need another set of floggers or tails about as much as I need a new pair of shoes.  In other words, I have plenty, but I always enjoy getting new ones.  For all of the folks complaining about this story, let Me ask you.  Where do you think the floggers, or the needles, or the strap-ons, or any of the other toys that a top uses come from?

Well, I'll tell you where.  A lot of the time, it's the Dominant who pays for those kinds of things.  Why should it be so unreasonable for the sub to pick up the tab for a toy?  Making a flogger honestly isn't all that expensive if you do it yourself.  Now isn't that a thought?  Something that isn't a huge monetary investment, but you had to take the time to make it.  That means that it's coming from you.  It came from you shopping for the supplies, taking the time to learn how, and working on the actual project.  When it's finished, we both get to enjoy it.


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RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OL... - 8/12/2009 11:46:46 AM   
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Well, I'll tell you where.  A lot of the time, it's the Dominant who pays for those kinds of things.  Why should it be so unreasonable for the sub to pick up the tab for a toy?  Making a flogger honestly isn't all that expensive if you do it yourself.  Now isn't that a thought?  Something that isn't a huge monetary investment, but you had to take the time to make it.  That means that it's coming from you.  It came from you shopping for the supplies, taking the time to learn how, and working on the actual project.  When it's finished, we both get to enjoy it.


My sentiments exactly. You win for I am no longer enraged.


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RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OL... - 8/12/2009 11:53:24 AM   
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I've read all the replies thus far.  If you and your boy are happy in your relationship, that's all the ultimately matters.  Bragging about financial status and deriding others... now that's another thing altogether.

In as much as I think you're endeavouring to celebrate your boy, the way you've chosen to do so is tacky and vile.  The tapestry you present involves the money and gifts you get, all the things your partner pays for, money, and more money.  Money and possessions.  These are the defining things that come across as what you value in your partner (whether this is the case of not).  And, you up the ante by labeling other men who, for whatever reasons, aren't in the same financial position as you and your boy (or your boy minimally) as "whiney, petulant, selfish, self absorbed limpdicks" who should "sit up and take notice of how a real man pays tribute to his Domme".  I've not read anything as ugly in a long, long time and frankly, were I your boy, I'd be embarrassed and hurt.

Perhaps the new minivan arriving at your door is indeed given and received in a most meaningful and heartfelt way, but you immensely cheapen this by advertising it as you have here.  Partners, as able and appropriate, often purchase things for one another and I believe these are private matters best celebrated within the sanctity of the relationship and not used as public status icons.  What your post lacks is any sense of grace, humility, and understanding that there are many peoples and conditions in the world.

I'm happy for you and your partner.  You seem to love one another and simultaneously enjoy a level of comfort and privilege that many do not.  Your OP though, this fails to celebrate your partner and is insulting to others as well.

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RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OL... - 8/12/2009 12:08:30 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyPact



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PeonForHer

In the sense that I mean the word, a 'tribute' could just as easily be given by a domme to a submale.  It's an interesting thought  . . .


It may be an interesting thought, but it wouldn't be entirely correct.

Function: noun
Pronunciation: 'tri-(")byüt, -by&t
Etymology: Middle English tribut, from Latin tributum, from neuter of tributus, past participle of tribuere to allot, bestow, grant, pay, from tribus tribe
1 a : a payment by one ruler or nation to another in acknowledgment of submission or as the price of protection ; also : the tax levied for such a payment b (1) : an excessive tax, rental, or tariff imposed by a government, sovereign, lord, or landlord (2) : an exorbitant charge levied by a person or group having the power of coercion c : the liability to pay tribute
2 a : something given or contributed voluntarily as due or deserved ; especially : a gift or service showing respect, gratitude, or affection <floral tribute> b : something (as material evidence or a formal attestation) that indicates the worth, virtue, or effectiveness of the one in question <the product is a tribute to their ingenuity>


LP,

Sense 2 a, especially, is fine as a definition of 'tribute' in the way that I meant it.  I see no reason at all why a tribute in that sense shouldn't go from a domme to a sub.  On a personal note, you're one of those dommes who I'd most expect to be happy to treat her sub that way.

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RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OL... - 8/12/2009 12:20:32 PM   
ElanSubdued


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quote:

LadyPact quoted:
2 a:  something given or contributed voluntarily as due or deserved ; especially : a gift or service showing respect, gratitude, or affection (floral tribute).

PeonForHer wrote:
I see no reason at all why a tribute in that sense shouldn't go from a domme to a sub.  On a personal note, you're one of those dommes who I'd most expect to be happy to treat her sub that way.


Many dommes give tributes to their partners as defined here and I've certainly been a recipient on more than a few occasions.

Elan.

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RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OL... - 8/12/2009 12:38:41 PM   
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ORIGINAL: pyroaquatic

So I come off as a whiny dick-obsessed poor slob? Well... that is not the worst thing I have heard.

and at this point I am done trying to find a Domme. I am sad that I do not have one but there is far to much bullshit involved for me to even start. I have a difficult time keeping friends because how strange I am.... or needy.

as to sex, it is not required to have a relationship with a Domme.

Just don't tell me how it is supposed to be done and let's not have me talk about money any longer.




I am sorry that I came across more.....full of vitrol......than I wanted to. As my email to you stated, it's all in the attitude. The guys on here that stand out to me, are enthusiastic about life. They don't mope around about what they haven't got or about the scammers they've encountered. They talk about the positive things they have to offer, the interests they have, often flirt shamelessly (even I can appreciate that...) and show a happy well rounded person that isn't focused totally on kink. These are things that shine to me. Especially in male s-types where the greater percentage appear to be nothing more than kink obsessed bottoms and not submissive at all.


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RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OL... - 8/12/2009 12:39:12 PM   
shadowowl


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Status: offline 		I never really understood the idea of tribute I hate being told I have to give something though left to my own devices I love buying stuff for someone I care about.  
Also I would rather give them money for something importent then buying trivial tokens of effections.   If they want a token of effection I'm sure I'll think of something much more valued then something that money can buy.   Course I'm a Socialist and hate money anyway so if they are willing to own me and just give me what I need they can have all my money :P 

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RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OL... - 8/12/2009 12:39:56 PM   
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I'm happy for you and your partner.  You seem to love one another and simultaneously enjoy a level of comfort and privilege that many do not.  Your OP though, this fails to celebrate your partner and is insulting to others as well.

Elan.


Elan,

I may have been wrong, but my take on TM's post was that she was saying, in essence, that it was her sub's 'big heart' that counted rather than the money or monetary value of the goods per se.  

However, I wish the OP had just celebrated her sub and not got into digging at 'whining subs'.  It would be nice, just occasionally, to see good subs complimented for their value, and left at that.   

How do things usually work here?  A thread about just how awful malesubs are always garners huge support for the opinion that subs are, indeed, awful.  OK, many are awful and for the reasons (and many others) stated thus far.   But now, a thread about how good one particular sub is garners . . . precisely the same sorts of posts about how awful subs are.  The seed of that was in TM's post itself. 

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