DiannaVesta
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i am begining to think that female supremacy may in fact be nothing more than a figment of someones imagination since no fem supremist has shown up either here or on my supreme thread. Supreme-E-est of Supreme i am leaning toward concluding its all hot air, no premise, no substance and not real. yet you see profile after profile of people who claim to be it or into it.
Here I am…
I remember back in the early 80’s living in South Florida. I use to wear a pentagram around my neck & I actually had to remove it when I visited some establishments and even some dear friends because it invoked so much fear and anger. No matter how hard I tired to explain what Wicca & the path of the Goddess, I constantly encounter ridicule and controversy. Actually I don’t think anyone really cared to listen to what I had to say or what it meant to me. They had a vision of evil and witchcraft that has become archetypical.
THEN I discovered BDSM. Imagine the horror in their minds now that hey found out that I was a witch AND a deranged sex predator. Yeah, I spent a great deal of my adult life dealing with prejudice and controversy. That alone has been my journey.
I combined my spiritual beliefs with my sexual desires & have always felt they were in fact cousins. I found that Fem Supremacy works for my lifestyle and me. I don’t picket or try to convert people. I view us all as tribes, so to speak and we all share this planet earth. The most important thing to me is our right to choose.
If I’m reading an article about male domination or listening to one of my friends talk to me about his Gorean philosophy I don’t feel threatened by it. I am happy that he has found the path that best suits him. We each belong to subcultures and we each have our own traditions. I will never say that my way is the only way. I think we all have the answers for what works for us.
Collectively we seek out others of like mind so we don’t feel like aliens and for love & support. Fem Supremacy is a much bigger picture then one might think. Don’t let the words fool you. Some of you act like some of the people I encounter when I said the word BDSM and got a hateful reaction. Their eyes see blood and guts, pain and torture and although we have learned these words to be HOT and SEXY, these are not the images the vanilla world sees.
I am not surprised that you don’t have more women into FS posting or even partaking in the BDSM community. Why should they step outside of their private lives only to be ridiculed? Like fetishist they may or may not partake in BDSM yet because we are all thrown under that umbrella of “ALTERNATIVE” then it looks like we’re sharing the same neighborhood.
So how about we learn from each other? We don’t have to agree or like what the other is doing but no doubt we’ll learn love and tolerance. Step inside my world & I will gladly, without fear or ridicule step inside of yours. This is what makes us uniquely different.
Having said that I would like to share a glimpse of my world. Please keep in mind that this IS also my spirituality and although it may be different from yours, I ask that you respect me as I do you. Remember that much symbolism, ritual and metaphor is used to create awareness, sensation and because in some cases it's just plain FUN.
There is also a thread with pro & cons at:
http://www.maxfisch.com/thehang/showthreaded.php?Cat=2,3,4&Board=discuss&Number=752782&page=&view=&sb=&o=&vc=1
However I am going to paste a lengthy article that is normally on my web site. Rather then link to it and be accused of trying to commercially gain from the discussion I will paste it here.
Female Supremacy: What it is and what it's not
by Goddess Dianna VestaFemSupreme.com
Like a ritual dance the candles flicker against the wall. Unpredictable and wild yet with purpose and meaning. The light captures obscure shadowy images to accompany their dance. The smell of frankincense, myrrh and patchouli fill the air. Chanting music softly plays in the background...
"I am in the heart that rejoices,And in the body dancing forththe essence of immortalityMine are the sighs of passionand also the cries of birth.Feel my presence in the pulse of thy center,Through desire you shall know me,Beloved For I ignite the Sacred Fire..."
The words barely audible but their meaning resonates through the bodies contained within the womb of this room. Through the shadowy abyss stands a woman dressed in a full-length velvet cape. Kneeling before her feet, on all fours is a naked male.
"Are you worthy of Me?" she ask.
"I beg to be, my Goddess."
"I want what no others have. The very depths of your soul will belong to me. I will teach you how to love my way. I will prepare you to approach the threshold of the divine feminine mystery and then it is up to you to learn and work at remaining there. Your journey requires the greatest of strength. Strength you have not fully realized. What you have been taught by the patriarch is a false form of strength fueled by lies and mounted on ego. I will teach you the greatest strength of all through humility, subjugation and total service to all that is feminine. Your reward will be freedom and love as you've never known."
"Thank you, my Goddess. I beg you to teach me."
She grabs his hair and lifts him into view. A long stare into his eyes hypnotically seduces him to almost a trance like state. She places a blindfold around his eyes.
"You shall see with my eyes."
She places restraints around his wrist and carefully dangles him from a chain suspended from the ceiling. Helpless he hangs, arms & hands overhead, naked and vulnerable to her desires.
"Before we can begin to build a new foundation we must tear down the old. You must also prove to me that you are truly worthy of this journey. You will deny me nothing." The male gasp for air and his body shivers.
The candlelight captures his body movement and throws it against the wall in giant size...projecting his fear...witnessing his devotion...exposing all.
"This is your final chance to change your mind. If you feel you are not ready or worthy of this journey beg now for your release and never come back here again. I will count to five. After the last count of the number five you agree to stay and to submit to the journey at any capacity I see fit."
"Yes, my Goddess. I understand."
She counts slowly enjoying the movement of his body. She senses his trepidation and is excited by the challenge that awaits him.
"Five. That's it. You now are the property of the Great Goddess and you will serve all that is feminine. You will be committed to our plan and through this service you will find reward." Her hands touch his naked flesh.
He jumps and then is calmed under her gentle touch. Her nails lightly scratch him...softly and then harder leaving a trail of red color. His cock is raging hard and pointing towards the ceiling. Her hand makes it's way down to his crotch and with a firm grip she grabs his tool and squeezes as hard as she can. His feet almost come up off the ground yet he dare not scream and disappoint her.
"What is this?" She is close to him whispering in his ear.
She eases the grip and waits for his reply.
"My worthless worm, Goddess?" Uncertain he replies.
She squeezes again with all her might.
"Worthless it is but it still belongs to ME! It's MY cock! Remember that each time you think you're going to touch it or use it without my permission!" She takes both of her hands and firmly embraces his torso.
"This is all mine and you are about to prove it."
She steps over to the wall where implements of torture and pleasure dangling on hooks. Like the male they hang ready to be used by her. Metal handcuffs, riding crops, floggers, gags, hoods, canes, paddles and devices strictly meant to induce orgasm. She lifts off the hook a multi-strand flogger. With a quick snap she whips the air leaving an immense shadow across the wall. The whip cracks a sound in the air and the male jumps. She begins slowly... across his flesh the whip dances with the candlelight and tempo of the chanting music. No area of flesh is left cold. The whip embraces him and the blood of his veins become hot. He feels the warmth climb to the surface of his flesh and slowly it begins to penetrate his core. She increases the pressure against his back and his buttocks. The red flesh now begins to welt.
"Tell me that you adore me! Beg me to use you at any capacity I see fit!"
Rapid breath spit the words "Yes, yes, my Goddess. I beg you to do as you see fit. I adore you."
The flogger shadows becomes wild and the air broken by its travel blows the light of the candles so that they too dance in wild rage with the leather tongs. Unable to stop his cry his mouth opens to scream but before the sound drops from his lips she shoves a ball gag into his mouth breaking the sound down to a faint muffle.
"If that balls drops out of your mouth you will be released forever. Do not disappoint me. You have only a few more lashes to go. Be a man and take it like the good little pet I know you are." She comforts him with a gentle touch on his face.
She resumes the lashes with great force ripping his flesh. She opens her cape revealing her own naked body and presses against his to feel the warmth of his hot flesh and to feel his body shake. She pulls away and small droplets of blood are left collected on her breast and thigh.He is ready to be released from the whip yet his training is only beginning. She snaps open the quick release and he drops to the floor crying like a baby.
"Is that how you show your appreciation?"
Quickly he kneels and begins kissing her feet. "I'm so sorry. Thank you my Goddess. Thank you."
She turns and walks towards a reclining chair. Once comfortable she instructs him to crawl to her.
"First you will lick your blood from my body." She points to her breast and outer thigh.
Quickly he licks the droplets off of her.
"Now you will begin at my feet. You will learn to give me pleasure and you will focus on my pleasure and my pleasure alone. It is important for you, male, to learn how to give without conditions. How to offer pleasures and comfort to a woman unconditionally. My pleasure should be your main concern. It is only this way that you will really learn how to give the ultimate pleasure to a woman."
He begins the adoration by rubbing her feet and gently kissing them. In the background you hear the chanting music....
"I am the first breath in crystalline space,
Like the starry heavens,My body arches in ecstasy around the secret center of the Sun,
Through the circling of spheresyou shall come to know me.
For I see the star of truth upon thy brow...
She spreads her legs, reaches down, grabs his hair and slowly instructs him to go up her leg and into her thigh. He can smell the scent of her holiness and although his body burns and aches his cock rages once more. The warm sensation that penetrates his core still resonates closer to its destination. He feels a knot of subjugation welling in his throat and the hair on his head feels alive. She moves him into her wetness...the holiest of holy places where all life comes from...the sacred Yoni. The place where all men long to return.
The music plays...
"I am a paradise of deep wilderness,
The Soul of Nature and Mother of the Earth,
Fragrant and fertile is my body,
Touch me in the petals of every sweet blossom.
Through abundance you shall come to know me.
I am thy oasis, pouring forth the water of life."
He tastes the sweetness of her essence and he can feel her entire being. He feels his heart center beginning to open as he focuses solely on her pleasure.
"You are about to receive the ultimate gift. The nectar of my feminine core that has been harvesting in my body... waiting for this moment. You will not waste one drop. " His mouth nuzzles in to create suction.
Small drops leave her vagina. Sweet and salty they emerge from the soft folds of her altar. He drinks and as he does his center completely opens. He feels his body expand and there is a sensation shooting from his heart chakra right through the crown of his head. Not a drop is wasted.
She lifts up and gently pets his head. "Now we shall begin your training."
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When you read the above you automatically think that it is a typical female domination session. It has all of the components of one. Costumes, implements, sex, body worship and pleasure for the woman. Only the trainer and student of Fem Supremacy will read between the lines and understand the underlying meaning within this ritual because it is, in fact, a rite of passage for a male student who elects the path of Fem Supremacy and the path of the Divine Feminine.
He relinquishes his power and submits to the way of Her, the Divine Feminine that is now personated by his trainer. He has become her property really, however she also submits to a higher power and serves by doing the work of the great Goddess. She teaches him a new way to love and through new actions he too will be performing his service to the Divine Feminine. His service is to all that is feminine, however his first commitment is to his teacher/trainer. She will own his earthly body. Fem Supremacy is not a new concept. It exists within many cultures that adopt their own rites and rituals. I guess you could call the above rite the Western way of doing things.
The persecution of the feminine has long been revealed in our history and no matter how diligently the patriarch tries to oppress women or all that is feminine, she emerges within the soul of humans, creating Her own silent army. An army that doesn't need to wage war on the helpless and weak but an army that initiates change by example and is fueled by the concept of unconditional love. Pleasure is Her right and we will not be denied our chance to experience life without our rightful gifts. These gifts are not only for women but also for all of humankind. We have been denied our right to truly be free. If freedom is what we have now then tell me why so many of you live double lives?
Tell me why the Internet is flooded with sex sites and 7 out of ten marriages fail within the first 5 years. We live in a depressed, fat, stressed out world where oppression is happening all around us. If you were truly free you wouldn't feel guilty about enjoying kinky sex. Would you?
Female Supremacy is an extension of matriarchy. Not the reversal of patriarchy but built on concepts of feminine priorities. The biggest misconception of Fem Supremacy is that it dissociates the male gender. This isn't at all true. The problem is that there are so many myths clouding the facts that it's easy to form assumptions about what Fem Supremacy is and isn't. Matriarchy doesn't force people to believe their way but focuses on teaching those who hear it's calling and have not found patriarchy as a solution for their happiness. Matriarchy is the foundation for Fem Supremacy.
There are then cultures of women who adopt tools to help them achieve their service to matriarchy. The most common thread is seen in sexual alternatives for several reasons. Many of the ritual acts used in ancient times simulate sexual fantasy today. Our theory is that men and women hear the calling or begin to realize that patriarch isn't working for them; they seek out others and for some reason feel comfort in the freedom of BDSM. BDSM is the umbrella embracing anything that falls out of the sexual norm.Another theory is that on an unconscious level the forces of matriarchy are calling it's people back or that Goddess, in all her aspects (good, bad & evil) is an archetype that is communicating with us in a primal fashion.
Of course this has been called absurd but then again the idea of a man walking on water and parting the sea sounds pretty absurd to me. Throughout history myths have been created to teach us something other then how we should pay our taxes or how to remain socially respectable. Matriarchy is about women and men living as they were intended, freely and complementing each other. It erases away the oppression of women and both genders are truly equal because they are each doing the part they were naturally designed to do. Instead women have been denied and repressed overall making the processes of life and living much more difficult for men.
Fem Supremacy is our solution, so to speak. It's not really the concept or ideal. The problem is that we are so emerged into patriarchy that we almost need extreme shifts in consciousness to create balance and return to a center space where we can maximize our potential. The woman's movement, although successful in winning rights for women have only been successful to a point. Attitudes need to change before we actually see equality in our world. Unlike patriarchy matriarchy requires less of an aggressive movement and its forces are not only more powerful but also sustaining. For instance you'll see males who have fantasies about Female Domination. Their fantasies may begin selfishly and ignorantly, however they are driven by a much deeper source they don't fully understand. Once they embark on the journey and begin to explore female domination they often find that they cannot escape it. The deeper they delve into female domination the harder it is to escape its lure. The feminine mystery is stronger then ever and the nature of man is seduced to explore it. Perhaps this is why all that is feminine was labeled a sin?
Since the beginning of time men have been lured by this power that women possess. It is a combination of love, sex and spirituality. Through women men learn about life and love. This is the main purpose of matriarchy, to restore this balance so that men can learn the proper way of loving. When women are loved properly they excel and all of life is enhanced. They are not oppressed and freely they learn about their own pleasure and the many attributes innately in women. Women are natural healers, providers and teachers. A woman unbridled by the patriarchal rules of society is sexually free and able to work her magic upon the world. So you now see Female Domination as the number one requested sexual fantasy or at least when it comes to alternative sex. Thousands of professional dominatrix's hanging shingles catering to a market that is clearly a demand. The number one fantasy theses clients of pro-doms seek are to feel helpless and submissive. They long to escape into that total freedom where they completely loose control. They make request, "I want to crawl before you." Or "I want to be used by you." Or whatever else it is that is their interpretation of being submissive. They don't want to feel stupid or it's something that made a connection with then when they looked at pictures or videos depicting female domination in porn. There might also be other request that are sexual fetishes where there is no real desire to be submissive but they will play the part to feed the fetish.
So where does this originate? Professional theories in mental health say childhood or some other trauma, however my experience and having been with hundreds (probably thousands) of men tells me different. Mental health research is only privy to what the client will allow them to see. The whole holistic and spiritual aspect is almost totally over-looked. The purpose of this article is not to say that mental health providers don't understand sexual alternatives related to female domination, but that they couldn't possibly have the experience of actually interacting head on with these issues. They simply try to teach the client to cope.
This is not to say that Fem Supremacy is the solution for everyone. The solution I'm speaking about is not the cure for the world we live in. We are simply our own community creating our own traditions and culture. The women who are committed to Fem Supremacy are the women who actively take responsibility for teaching the males they come in contact with. Not only their primary lovers but all males they are directly in contact with. This doesn't mean that they try to dominate or control all men. It means that they are always in the process of teaching on some level. Through their actions they teach and people learn by their example. A true Fem Supremacist can only be a woman who serves the Divine Feminine and walks the path of the Goddess. She takes responsibility for her actions; she is devoted and committed to the teaching and loving of all women. She does not deceive, lie or cheat because she realizes the repercussions of her actions will result in negative karma. Daily she is involved in some type of service no matter how large or small. A woman who calls herself Goddess is one who recognizes these processes and is in agreement with the laws the path. Although dominate she is unselfish, giving and a servant to the Divine Feminine. There are many imitations. Careful inspection shows you who is real and who is simply using it as a marketing concept.
Most Fem Supremacist are very underground or private. It's easy to see why. We have a whole history of Inquisitions where we have been destroyed, killed, ridiculed and labeled. The repression of powerful women will always disguise itself as self-righteous "Do the right thing in the name of God." types. This is a pattern that never seems to change and it still rears its ugly head any place it can. We also see people lash out from fear. If the truth hits to close to home or causes a reaction in them they will rebel and attempt to destroy that which they don't understand. We've seen this happen with gays and African Americans. It is not the way of matriarchy or Fem Supremacy to march in the streets or protest. The way is through example and change and if you look around you will see that it is slowly but surely happening. That is IF you are paying attention. So what does the typical Fem Supremacist household look like? I can't speak for all my sisters but I will describe mine. As I mentioned a Goddess/Fem Supremacist is actively involved in her FS community. This might be networking, writing, teaching males, making contributions, etc. So a good portion of my time is spent on my contributions to FS. I consider myself an activist and teacher. I feel that I am the most effective writing and providing tools for other teachers and couples to adopt the concepts. I also need to make a living so I try to involve myself in businesses or investments that are supportive of my spiritual beliefs in FS. A large portion of my work goes towards the work and projects I am committed to within FS. I also have supporters who are normally male who contribute time, money or both. I am honored and respected by these males (and women) and often I receive flowers and gifts. These tokens of appreciation are also a type of devotion and thanks for my service to my higher power, the Divine Feminine. Males come to me for actual training. They don't come to me to explore their sexual fantasies. I leave this work for a skilled dominatrix. I am the person they come to when they have explored their sexual fantasies and have tapped into some other deeper meaning they must explore. When they find themselves going to session after session and they still feel unsatisfied. Not because the dominatrix is not doing a good job but because the physicality of the session isn't enough any more. They are ready to relinquish control REALLY. Limits are left at the threshold and preconceptions are totally ignored.
The women committed to this process are responsible so the same rules do not apply. She isn't going to abuse her power because her main purpose is to enhance not to destroy. Still there cannot be limits imposed by the male or it will make the training less effective. He cannot achieve total subjugation and submission, necessary for change, unless he submits completely. This does mean that I don’t enjoy kinky sex or sex with men.
My personal sexually is a whole other matter and as a woman free to make my own choices I am sexually open-minded, however some aspects of sex are considered sacred and saved for personal relationships and not part of actual training.
After observing the male I begin a slow process of preparing him for the journey. This can't be done in an hour or even a day. Trust is built by the everyday things that we do such as him cleaning for me or giving me a foot rub. We talk and share our innermost feelings about FS. Each male requires a different approach and this approach be carried out according to my expectations and recommendations not according to his sexual fantasies & fetishes.
There is another myth that FS women completely deny the sexual fantasies or desires of a male purposely in order to control him. This isn't true. I work from a point of reference. It's like going to a foreign land where they speak another language. You learn to speak their language so that you can communicate with them. You understand their cultures even if you don't adopt them as you're own you respect that they are enough to learn how to communicate with them. I need to speak his language in order to earn his respect so that I can even begin to do my work. In turn he respects my laws and rules and tries very hard to stay focused.
This is another reason why he must fully commit. If he's a thrill seeker he won't make it past the first level. The first level is seeing if he's serious. Purposely obstacles are created and he is given tasks that are sometimes considered stupid or mundane. His attitude should be to do whatever I request without question, delay or bad attitude. His enthusiasm is also measured. The first level rarely includes any type of sexual scenes or rituals, however every lady is different. She may require him to be a good lover. My focus is on training and to me the first level is the most important. Few men make it through this first level because they find it difficult to focus on someone's needs other then their own. Something women do naturally. There is no predetermined time for the male to stay in level one. I've seen males stay in level one for years and others who went on to level two after only a few months.
Level two the male begins to go through conditioning. In level one he is taught the basics of meditation which helps his focus. It also helps him balanced when he's confused or afraid. In level two he is taught deeper meditation and these may be followed or before some other exercise. In level one he must adhere to a strict diet. Level two is only a deepening of level one. More rituals and symbols are used to further instill and build on his devotion. Level two doesn't need to last as long if the first level was completed successfully.
Level three is where the male will once again prove his devotion. By now he has been conditioned enough to learn what true reward means and he is rewarded for his service. He becomes part of the family, so to speak and his opinions are validated. Within reason he can express himself freely. He is comfortable with being property and feels he has reached the place he wants to be. Males in my service that reach levels three may be introduced to a woman who is seeking a more intimate relationship with a submissive male. His overall goal is to eventually meet and be involved with a woman in a relationship. Together they go on to continue the work of FS by setting an example. There are some males who prefer and can remain in service without ever having a sexually intimate relationship with me. Some males reach level three and completely convert to true servants of FS. Like monks it is their only focus and their needs are secondary. They may provide sexual pleasure for a woman by serving her because it's what she demands or wants but their own sexual needs are no longer important.
In my house all males must follow the rules for my household. Even males who are close friends that are not involved in FS, (other then a few dominant male friends I cherish & share mutual respect) know what this means. They must address myself and women friends respectfully. They must be showered, clean and looking good. They are not usually permitted to drink alcoholic drinks. (Occasionally a glass of wine). They are normally not permitted to eat with us. The males must promptly remove the dishes and clean up after meals. Males are not permitted to just hangout or sit down. They must always be active and doing something until it's time for bed.
Males staying in the house overnight or for extended periods must wake up at 5AM, take a shower in the bathroom designated ONLY for males, make coffee and have a cup by my bedside by 6:30AM. Many of the laws or rules act as part of the conditioning process. When a male is given order or a structure to follow it's easier for him. The rules are a type of training that helps him stay focused on his commitment and help steer him clear of patriarchal attitudes.
Training is often very rigid or the male may find himself slipping into old patterns. The Domina who trains a male must be a patient and a strong woman because this type of training requires constant work and attention. This is why I normally require some type of exchange in level one and perhaps throughout our relationship. This may be in monthly contributions of money, gifts or a bartering of their service. This means that the male can offer a service such as legal work, accounting, web design or something like that. Him simply turning himself over to me for training isn't enough. The attitude that he's offering his submission and it should be enough is an instant flag not to let him in.
I have never met a male who was born or came ready to serve me according to my expectations. His idea of submission and mine are different. The males I train that go to other women are ready to go, however she may also have personal preferences. Towards the end of their training I work with her and him to negotiate these to make sure it is a suitable match. Some of the women are not into BDSM or fetish. They simply want a submissive male who understands his place.
Personally I enjoy the dynamics of bdsm, however it's not my main purpose or reasoning behind FS. Most times it's a separate thing. When I punish a male I really punish him, however when I have sex I might also play at punishing him. Or I may punish him really and get turned on by doing so.
I can train males without becoming intimate, such as fucking or any exchange of body fluids. I enjoy bdsm play and it doesn’t need to involve sex. Sexually I probably lean more towards a monogamous relationship with a woman and we have males that serve us. This doesn’t mean that they are not sexually fulfilled. For me sex happens on a deep level. I've never been casual about sex and I have had few sexual partners where vanilla sex was practiced.
Being involved in FS has taught me that my body is an incarnation of Goddess and therefore sacred. I teach males to worship and adore me. At the same time I find that I am very open minded and that sexual pleasure is an act of Goddess. Sexual pleasure is the glue that holds it all together. It's what puts magic in a relationship. Love can exist all around us. Sexual pleasure is what distinguishes that which is truly sacred to me. If I have sex with someone it's because I feel we have a sacred and spiritual bond. Anything else is just a game I play for another type of fulfillment/pleasure.
I have seen rabbis, priest, and spiritual seekers and know that their quest was to try and understand the mystery of the Divine Feminine. No man is free from its grasp. No man can escape the power of woman. No matter how much he tried to exploit, own or control her the fact remains that wise men still seek Her.
Dianna Vesta Copyright 2000
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