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RE: I am not sure if I should say anything to the commu... - 3/1/2006 6:33:53 PM

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ORIGINAL: yourMissTress

FYI to the OP (sounds like a rap song, doesn't it?)

Emailing me on the other side and starting off your 11 paragraph hate mail with "I do not like drama" is not at all conducive to a drama free situation.

This thread, as I mentioned in my post is nothing more than an attempt on your part to create drama.

You stated in your email that you will never know what the rules are to posting until you break them. That is a ridiculous excuse for not caring what the rules are. All you have to do is read the TOS, that's where they are.

Welcome to the boards. I hope your next thread reflects what you've learned so far.

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RE: I am not sure if I should say anything to the commu... - 3/1/2006 6:42:14 PM

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ORIGINAL: yourMissTress

FYI to the OP (sounds like a rap song, doesn't it?)

Emailing me on the other side and starting off your 11 paragraph hate mail with "I do not like drama" is not at all conducive to a drama free situation.

This thread, as I mentioned in my post is nothing more than an attempt on your part to create drama.

You stated in your email that you will never know what the rules are to posting until you break them. That is a ridiculous excuse for not caring what the rules are. All you have to do is read the TOS, that's where they are.

Welcome to the boards. I hope your next thread reflects what you've learned so far.

well said... don't you just love those that hate drama but are intent of creating some of that drama they hate so much

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RE: I am not sure if I should say anything to the commu... - 3/1/2006 8:28:28 PM

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I am not a gun person, but can respect others who practice SAFE gun practices... it is their right. I do however think I have a right to My safety as well... I find it ridiculous to say that guns, are not involved in accidental shootings, or that guns are not involved in emotional killings when a gun (obtained legally or not) just happens to be handy.

The courts are full of these cases everyday.... even the Vice-President of the US shot someone accidentally... no gun = no accidental shooting. It's a fact. Some are necessary, some aren't. Just because you can have a gun, doesn't mean you need one. If someone is so in fear of meeting someone new that he must carry a concealed weapon, he should probably not be meeting the person, or should do so in a public place. I know many will see it differently (especially those with NRA cards), but that's My opinion and I don't forsee it changing.

Card carrying member of the NRA here *waves his card* And yes if you are meeting someone you should atleast ask them how they feel about guns before bringing them around or introducing them to the enviorioment. No gun - no accidental shooting No car = no crash fatalties... you see where im going with this.

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RE: I am not sure if I should say anything to the commu... - 3/1/2006 8:30:42 PM

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I dont know a single person who had their gun used against them, but then again I dont know that many stupid people.

That's all well and good, but I have been told by the police that if I do own a gun and I do pull it for my own protection, I'd better be absolutely certain I can pull the trigger, because if I do not, the odds are definitely in favor of it being taken from me and possibly used against me. This came straight from the mouths of several officers, and I'm pretty sure they weren't just blowing smoke.

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RE: I am not sure if I should say anything to the commu... - 3/1/2006 8:37:00 PM

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I emailed you because I did not wish any further public drama as it seems that I have been slammed for asking a question that has to do with my concern for the safety of others and what if anything I should do. I did not ask (much less do) post his information on the board

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I am not sure if I should say anything to the community

Yes if advised I should let it be known it may have also been advised that I do so on the boards, or it could have been advised that I email or contact ___________________ one of the people who runs this forum (Being new here I do not yet know who they are) so they could take what action they deamed neccesary if any. I guess I will never know other than I better not ask what I should do

Your statement about my attitude on learning the rules as expressed in my email was

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You stated in your email that you will never know what the rules are to posting until you break them. That is a ridiculous excuse for not caring what the rules are.

Here is a quote from that email on the subject of learning the protocol and rules here I would like someone to point out where I state that I need to break the rules.

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Just as this community has rules of ethics (heck am I not getting blasted for trying to learn those right now? although if it is not printed out and told to you how are you to know the rules when you are new unless you ask?) so does their community

I never once in any of my postings or my letter to you indicated anything that could identify this man If I did I would welcome the quote)because I did not know the rules and wanted to know what they are here.

Instead of answering my question many assume I am a jilted lover wanting revenge, others slamed me for breaking the rules, I did not know that trying to find out what the rules (not in general but as applied to a situation such as this) is paramount to breaking them, many of these 2 groups made thier assumptions because I chose to keep things vague so as not to provide any information about who this man is in case doing so would be against the rules here.

Because misconceptions as to the reason I was concerned about the safety of this man being in this community I gave a brief synopsis of what happened (still nothing that would even identify what continent this man lives on much less anything else that could identify him) letting people know that he not only carried a gun when he went to meet this girl, he deliberatly kept it hidden from her untill right as he was ready to leave taking her money with him. I do not know about the majority of people here but personaly if I knew he had a gun and he picked up my money and walked off I sure as hell would not try to stop him
I also stated that she later learned from other ladies that this man has been doing this to ladies for years (he normaly picks ladies whom are traveling as they do not know the local ladies very well and are less likely find out about his prediliction for taking what is not his) so it seemed that for the most part everyone focused on the issue of concealed weapons ignorng the fact that he stole from her. I do not know about the majority of people here but personaly if I knew he had a gun and he picked up my money and walked off I sure as hell would not try to stop him.

You and some others have slammed me for my concern and asking what is the right thing to do. You practicaly accused this lady of having nefarious plans just because she is an escort. You said you have nothing against escorts yet you practicaly implied that most escorts are dangerous to their clients nor did you seem to feel she should have the right to be concerned for her safety when meeting with a man alone in intimate surrounding. Yet it is perfectly reasonable for the man to show up with a gun. Rather you indicated that he needed the protection from her.

I am sure there are plenty of people in this community who do not agree with how she makes her living but if you think of it I have seen the same argument here that is used by ladies such as her "What concern is it of everyone else what 2 (or more) concenting adults choose to do in private.( I rather suspect you are one of those whom finds her and her job offensive. I say this because of how you opened your original post.)

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What I don't understand here is...you said
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he hired an escort

You never once took into account this man has robbed a number of other ladies or the vulerability of her possition instead you practicaly defend him and his right to carry a gun. You totaly ignored his lack of respect for the common rule when seeing an escort do not take weapons of any type. I guess you feel he will better follow the protocol here?

I see no signs that like myself you are the least bit concerned for the safety of those whom are rather innocent when it comes to the real world and are most vulnerable to the predators whom would harm them. When I see that a man whom has victemized women repeatedly is here seaking to find submissive girls I get concerned for the safety of these girls whom do not yet know how to protect themselves from predators (heck what is the likelyhood they will even recognize him for what he is prior to his talking them into meeting him at his house?

I even included links to 2 threads on this very board that demonstrated that there are predators out there hurting young subs all the time. I suppose you feel that I should keep my mouth shut when I know there is one in this very community as his previous victems have been of a class most people shun and look down on without even knowing anything about them. Hmmm sounds a bit like how many vanilla people look at us does it not?

Yes I was upset about what felt like atacks against myself and this lady whom was a victem (and you showed more concern for the predator). If I had wanted drama I would have responded to your first posting publicly. Instead I responded to you privatly in hopes not to have any more said here on the board but I also felt a need to defend myself and the lady in question from what I felt was an unwarnted attack.

So what do you do? Rather than replying with an email that you disagree with my point of view you instead post on the board with an other attack siting my sending you "hate mail" and acusing me of trying to start drama. (something I hate and consider the search for such rather immature and begging for attention [what a waste of time which I have not nearly enough of) On other boards it has been my observation in the past that the drama queens like to keep everything public, disagrements etc right in everyone's face. They get so much more attention if they keep brining the subject back to the public boards even if others have tried to make it private as I tried to when I wrote you in hopes that you would at least see that you had lept to conclusions before you had all the facts in.

Frankly when I first saw your posting I had no intention of stooping to your level by responding to it on the board (or anywhere else (ie email) for that matter. After all if I were to again tried to move it to a private forum (email) you would just come back to the boards and post your convoluted take on what I had to say. But I decided that if I do not defend myself against your unwarnted attacks regardless of if I stay or leave this board I will be forever known as a drama queen who does not think she should follow the rules or respect others.

Nor do I want people thinking that I am spiteful enough to go around sending "hate mail" to complete strangers just to stirr up trouble almost like my true agenda is to make this community look bad to the vanilla world (I almost said our but I am not so sure about that any more

) I have already posted one quote from this infamous "hate mail" Maybe I should just post the entire letter and let the community decide just what I said that was hateful?

Anyhow the one thing that stopped me from just closing my profile and leaving was the few people whom recognized I was only posting my question because I am concerned for the safety of others or at least did not feel a need to attack me for asking.

Thank you PenelopePitstop for understanding my concern for the safety of others,

RavenMuse I do like how you stated how one could state such information if it were to be revealed it should be in such a context letting it be known what happened and letting the person decide who and what to believe.

SYNister thank you for at least understanding that the bringing of a gun to meet a lady for the first time in a private setting for an intimate encounter could be rather threatening to the lady even though you did not know as he let her see the gun right before he picked up her money and walked out the door. I do not think a threat was spoken but many if not most would feel it was implied.

To those whom felt that I only considered the man a possible danger due to his carrying a gun seem to have missed that he also kept it hidden till right before he left then as he left he took her money as I stated above that can be taken by most as an implied threat.

Moloch thank you for the reminder to others of a simple curtosy of asking the person how they feel about guns prior to bringing it around.

I still do not know if I will stick around but at least I have stated what I feel and hope that maybe some will realize I had no malicious thoughts in asking my question

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My "hate mail" to yourMissTress - 3/1/2006 8:44:33 PM

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RE: I am not sure if I should say anything to the commu... - 3/1/2006 9:08:07 PM

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YOu see why it's not a good idea to bring this up? I mean seriously- what firsthand information do you have on any of this?

Being an escort, I have to say that it does have serious risks. No doubt about it. Everything you said about lack of protection and assholes out there is dead on.

But a smart escort knows this already, I want to know how the guy took the money in the first place? Why did she have it laying around? I want to know what led up to it? If he's just focusing on escorts, the escorts will warn eachother in the appropriate channels. What the other person said about hiring escorts being completely different than dating a submissive is dead-on as well.

Let's stop making submissives into helpless victims being haunted by any unknown shadow. Yes, skanky people walk the earth. Yes, if someone directly asked me an opinion about someone who I had DIRECT PERSONAL issues with, I'd give them some information about it.

But all this mess? No way. There's way too many holes, maybes, ifs, and overall fuzziness that hardly merits smearing a persons entire reputation over.

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RE: I am not sure if I should say anything to the commu... - 3/1/2006 9:20:42 PM

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ORIGINAL: valeca

This thread got me to thinking...

I'd never thought of asking a potential partner if they carry a weapon. Maybe it's just a matter of my location/social circle, but it just never crossed my mind. Perhaps it should have been, perhaps that was neglect on my part. Maybe I got lucky, who knows.

Is this a question that is...

A) ...commonly asked when meeting with a potential partner...be they Dom or sub or new friend?

B) ...on your list of 'need to know' questions? Should it be?

Will it be added now?

For me, it is definately something I inquire about. I am petrified of guns, even the sight of them freezes me in a full blown panic attack.
Don't get me wrong, I don't have an issue with folks legally owning guns. My former Dominant had two pistols. They were locked in a * strong box * and put in a locked safe. He just never took them out around me.

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RE: I am not sure if I should say anything to the commu... - 3/1/2006 9:34:37 PM

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Just as this community has rules of ethics (heck am I not getting blasted for trying to learn those right now? although if it is not printed out and told to you how are you to know the rules when you are new unless you ask?) so does their community

forum guidelines

In the guidelines is a link to the TOS.

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RE: I am not sure if I should say anything to the commu... - 3/1/2006 10:02:45 PM

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I am very new to this site as well, and up until now, have not posted. I know I've missed quite a few replies to this thread, but I'm just too tired to go back and read all of them.

I'm just a bit bemused. Having once been an escort myself, I can say that not many escorts would put themselves in a position like the woman you've described. That in itself makes me wonder whether you got a true story from her. This just all sounds very fishy and it has nothing to do with the fact that the supposed "criminal" here happens to be registered on this site.

Just to point out something here...escorts are frequently the perpetrators of robberies of their "guests" rather than victims. Not trying to upset anyone since I used to be an escort myself. The facts are, though, that some of them pose more of a threat than they are victims of. Sadly, enough...from personal experience, I can also say that not all of them are reliable when it comes to telling the truth.

All of that aside, though, I can also say that you aren't going to win much support by fishing around for a way to discredit someone you have no first hand experience with.

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RE: I am not sure if I should say anything to the commu... - 3/1/2006 11:50:40 PM

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Card carrying member of the NRA here *waves his card* And yes if you are meeting someone you should atleast ask them how they feel about guns before bringing them around or introducing them to the enviorioment. No gun - no accidental shooting No car = no crash fatalties... you see where im going with this.

I see where you are going... BUT, with cars we have registration, licensing, locks on the car to prevent theft, and we do not think it's okay to allow our youth to "safely" use them, and we certainly don't let them get behind the wheel "accidentally".

Someone steals a car, we can track it; someone steals a gun and we have "violated" a right by wanting to track it. See where I am going here?

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RE: I am not sure if I should say anything to the commu... - 3/1/2006 11:57:37 PM

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ORIGINAL: MistressLorelei

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Card carrying member of the NRA here *waves his card* And yes if you are meeting someone you should atleast ask them how they feel about guns before bringing them around or introducing them to the enviorioment. No gun - no accidental shooting No car = no crash fatalties... you see where im going with this.

I see where you are going... BUT, with cars we have registration, licensing, locks on the car to prevent theft, and we do not think it's okay to allow our youth to "safely" use them, and we certainly don't let them get behind the wheel "accidentally".

Someone steals a car, we can track it; someone steals a gun and we have "violated" a right by wanting to track it. See where I am going here?

Well, I can see where you are going with that. It doesn't really have any real bearing on the first post of this thread, though, does it? The initial post was all about smearing someone without first hand knowledge of the supposed crime.

Aside from that, I hate guns, personally. But I also won't deny the fact that a lot of people choose to own them and even have a carry permit. Who am I do argue with their consitutional right to bear arms as permitted according to U.S. law?

I don't agree with it, but neither do I think that someone should try to smear someone else without first hand knowledge of a real crime being committed.

That's just me, though.

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RE: I am not sure if I should say anything to the commu... - 3/2/2006 12:21:10 AM

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What I really think about guns (aside from the original topic) is this:

They are penile things for men. Like men think the one in their pants isn't big enough so they have to get a bigger caliber. And for women who own them, they don't have a real one to flash, so they buy one and then grin over it.

Still and all, for me, the thing in this thread is that someone wants to discredit someone else based on hearsay and nothing more. That disturbs me far more than the "should we or should we not allow guns" issue.

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RE: I am not sure if I should say anything to the commu... - 3/2/2006 12:50:58 AM

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As you are responding to what you read in my post, I was responding to something I read in the post of another. That seems to be a trend in bulletin boards, as well as in communication in general.

Regarding the original post, which I guess is what we all 'must' base every future post on... I don't think a post here with personal information and accusations would be appropriate. I have no problem with her initial post... she simply had a concern and wanted advice as to what she should do... again, another trend in bulletin boards.

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RE: BTW The reason I asked was because - 3/2/2006 1:53:47 AM

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I honestly doubt that all subs do as they should and meet in public the first few times and if in private and no protection like this girl had (which as I stated he did not know of in advance) Also after this insident she let other girls in the area know what happened and there were several that responded that he had a reputation for doing that and other such stuff. If a person is going to steal from others would you want to trust him to tie you up and have his way? Would you at least want to know in advance that he has a reputation for such actions as he did? I am only concerned for the subs that are too new or doormats to take precautions to assure their safety when meeting a dom.

Oh and for those whom felt that I should be reprimanded I did not give a single detail out as to his identity not even what country he is in because I did not know what is appropriate in some instances in fact that is why I asked. I also did not know I should as one suggested contact a moderator so I asked a question that gave only that it was known he has these 2 qualities. I still have not given any details that would identify him. And for those whom thought I am against guns, I have 2 of my own but also there are certain times it is not appropriate to have one on you (even if you have a carry permit) His taking the weapon when and where he did was a voilation of this girl's trust. And if you think of how many girls are robbed, beaten and or killed because of their job yes I am concerned about him meeting anyone online.

And how do we know (since this is just your 8th post) that you are not some Punk guy or a HNG just out trying to put some fear into the submissive females here?
Maybe you just want to play some power trip on them?
If so glad you outed yourself.

You have very litle proof of anything to go talking down somebody's name.

Subs need to be careful, make sure they protect themselves anyway possible and don't put themselves in possibly dangerous situations.

It's not your Duty to come here and protect them.

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RE: I am not sure if I should say anything to the commu... - 3/2/2006 5:51:42 AM

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Artist, I appreciate your private email but assure you that I am an escort myself and do not need to be informed of the ropes and how the job is done, nor the risks that we can face.

You said he only took the money that he was planning to give to the escort. According to the story, he had to leave the appointment just a few minutes after it started. Granted, it's very rude to take money when you've already reserved time and arrived, but honestly I can see the point of not wanting to pay for services not rendered and he didn't try and steal any money that was not initially his.

I see no evidence whatsoever of him being a bad or dangerous person. Rude perhaps, but that's it.

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RE: I am not sure if I should say anything to the commu... - 3/2/2006 5:52:43 AM

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That's all well and good, but I have been told by the police that if I do own a gun and I do pull it for my own protection, I'd better be absolutely certain I can pull the trigger, because if I do not, the odds are definitely in favor of it being taken from me and possibly used against me. This came straight from the mouths of several officers, and I'm pretty sure they weren't just blowing smoke.

This is very true. If you have a gun, and you pull it out and point it at someone...be prepared not only to pull the trigger, but also be prepared for the fact that you may have to kill them.

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RE: I am not sure if I should say anything to the commu... - 3/2/2006 6:24:05 AM

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People will come to their own conclusions when they do not truly know both sides of the story.

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RE: I am not sure if I should say anything to the commu... - 3/2/2006 7:20:55 AM

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For me, it is definately something I inquire about. I am petrified of guns, even the sight of them freezes me in a full blown panic attack.
Don't get me wrong, I don't have an issue with folks legally owning guns. My former Dominant had two pistols. They were locked in a * strong box * and put in a locked safe. He just never took them out around me.

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I can totally respect that we(Gun Rights Activism Message Board) actually had a lengthy discussion, on dating and taking guns aliong with them. Most people feel just like you, simply "uncomfortable" around someone who is armed, its not something I will understand but its something I will always respect, nothing wrong with that attitude its normal.

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RE: I am not sure if I should say anything to the commu... - 3/2/2006 7:33:26 AM

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maybe hes a cop.lol

i dotn mind someone carrying a piece (hell i got guns)

as to the whole situation----

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ORIGINAL: ArtistInTN

The situation was that he hired an escort and was told no weapons allowed, When he arrived the gun was concealed and taken off in such a manner she did not see it as he hid it under his jacke or some part of his clothing. Right about time the session was supposed to end his cell phone rang and he told the girl that he had to go because of an emergency. As he was getting dressed the girl glimpsed the gun and questioned him about it. When he left he took her donation with him.

I will admit it is not known if he had anything planned other than taking her money but the one thing he did not know before he arrived is that she had a rather large dog there that was trained for protection. The reason I know this is the same man is I have seen a photograph of him that he sent her prior to the meeting and he contacted me the first day I was here I recognized the photo and name made sure to verify that the photo on the profile was the same person he had sent to her prior to asking if anything should be said I also should have asked if so to whom.

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