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RE: I am not sure if I should say anything to the commu... - 3/2/2006 4:44:29 PM   
cloudboy


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ORIGINAL: wolffeathers

There is NOTHING to verify the data in the post (besides, of course, the link. But then you get lazy bastards like me who are about to pass out and don't want to click on another link).


Nothing but basic facts, my good fellow. See also:

http://goodsforguns.org/nationalfacts/

http://goodsforguns.org/gunshome/index.html

http://www.rileyhospital.org/document.jsp?locid=1439

(Well footnoted.)

http://64.233.179.104/search?q=cache:i-N-QwGI-bwJ:www.minneapolisfoundation.org/about/news/GunViolenceStats.pdf+gun+violence+statistics+new+england+medicine&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=19&client=firefox-a









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RE: I am not sure if I should say anything to the commu... - 3/2/2006 5:05:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hold it right there.........

Minnesota is a right to carry state...........was one long before you had to pay 75 bucks or whatever for a permit to carry. Used to get them free from the county sheriff.........

Now, not one person to date in the time that permits were issued has gotten drunk and shot some other drunk, or any variation thereof.

I happen to know a few kids that got killed by having guns in the home........

I own a closet full of them, I have two children that have survived that.....
it is called locks and I have the key, nobody else......

So, for those of you that own guns, and tried on your mothers panties when you were younger, or snuck out your old man's dirty magazines or any variation of that...........

You know what to do.....

Violent crime is down in minnesota....in fact if you check the nationals, the biggest is that they are trying a couple of freaks for shooting a cop some what 25-35 years ago in minneapolis.........

Somehow nobody will point out the prudence of keeping a level fuckin' head in an emotional situation when you don't know if the other or both is packing........

Guilty because the Chinese are Communists.........

Cannot get behind that asswipe at all.

Here's a fuckin' statistic for you .......
(*NB: when I say most people in the following, it is said rather euphamistically, since statistically, one can easily juke these numbers, you buy the assumption, you buy the deal type of thing)

Most people are ignorant,
most people are shallow,
most people will act against their best interests when homilies alluding to platitudes are offered. instead of concrete and intelligent solutions; or barring that.......
everything before the comma in the last sentence, to actually determine the longest and best range interests for themselves and others.

I have spent the better part of 30 years, juking statistics so that they say something that they don't say........
ergo id est: you buy the assumption; you buy the deal.

ALL things called STATISTICS nowadays are suspect, and usually are only that; statistics, with no grounding in fact.

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RE: I am not sure if I should say anything to the commu... - 3/2/2006 6:56:05 PM   
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My reading on the statistics is that having a gun in the home does not make me or anyone in my home safer. The research findings indicate the opposite. So, I don't have a gun in the home. The facts in this matter have been well established.

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RE: I am not sure if I should say anything to the commu... - 3/2/2006 7:09:43 PM   
mnottertail


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Begs the question.......

Try again.............

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RE: I am not sure if I should say anything to the commu... - 3/3/2006 7:46:51 PM   
wytchywoman


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Status: offline 		Based on all that I have seen in my limited time here, you're quite odd, Ron. Now I also read where you said to not take you seriously, but honestly...you think we don't?

You are providing all of us with a classic case of dissembling in the name of "humor", when if fact, you really mean everything you post. You just don't want to own it, so you pass it off as a "joke".


That is called "passive/aggressive" and that's what I will call you until you can prove to me you aren't. And I don't think you can at this point.

I mean...be honest. The other post you made saying "fuck me...I am going to name names" is a classic example of passive/agressive behavior no matter how you try to hide it under the second hand guise of "humor".


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RE: I am not sure if I should say anything to the commu... - 3/3/2006 8:17:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		Before you say any thing about this person I would attend a few munches and gauge people at events so you can find out how much information others may know about this person. I have attend munches and when people come together you be surprise how much people will talk about players and those who are dangers. That is why some who have questionable reputation you may know about may already have a bad reputation with in the community. I know allot of the groups I belong to are already networking with other groups and that is a good thing for people like that can not hide with in the community. You also will be surprise that others subs may know of this person so right now find out how much do know of this person for you can learn other things that will add to your concern about this person. You need to make sure you are doing it for the right reason and not for personal reason like revenge. I have seen so many subs who get anger with a Dom who did them wrong will talk bad about the person to ruined their reputation. I my self had a situation happen by some one who spread lie about me so they can build themselves up. I feel as part of a community we need to try to protect every one by educating each other and networking with in the community. There are too many players who are creating a bad image of our lifestyle and the next time you hear about them who are not part of the community is on the 6 o’clock news. This is my viewpoint and it is based on my own experience with in the community. One more thing this guy may not even attend events because he would stand out because his action will show him being a player or a wanabee .

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RE: I am not sure if I should say anything to the commu... - 3/3/2006 8:57:48 PM   
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ORIGINAL: wytchywoman

That is called "passive/aggressive" and that's what I will call you until you can prove to me you aren't. And I don't think you can at this point.


Good call wytchy. To abuse Churchill "Rarely on the forums of chat have so many words said so little about so much".

In regards to the OP, if the lynch mob will allow - ArtistInTN respectfully enquired as to whether and how one might report a member of CM who seems to have been involved in fraud (theft of services, as it is called in Canada).

While many of you may find tattling distasteful (a hold-over reaction from grade school perhaps) I would agree with PenelopePitstop that the OP showed courage and concern as well as discretion to bring the question here. That she has stuck around despite the abuse, to clarify and support her position, shows that far from being a "jilted lover type" she has an abiding desire to both understand how this community works and to provide it with a valuable service.

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RE: I am not sure if I should say anything to the commu... - 3/3/2006 9:27:54 PM   
wytchywoman


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Zensee

quote:

ORIGINAL: wytchywoman

That is called "passive/aggressive" and that's what I will call you until you can prove to me you aren't. And I don't think you can at this point.


Good call wytchy. To abuse Churchill "Rarely on the forums of chat have so many words said so little about so much".

In regards to the OP, if the lynch mob will allow - ArtistInTN respectfully enquired as to whether and how one might report a member of CM who seems to have been involved in fraud (theft of services, as it is called in Canada).

While many of you may find tattling distasteful (a hold-over reaction from grade school perhaps) I would agree with PenelopePitstop that the OP showed courage and concern as well as discretion to bring the question here. That she has stuck around despite the abuse, to clarify and support her position, shows that far from being a "jilted lover type" she has an abiding desire to both understand how this community works and to provide it with a valuable service.
I just find it
silly when some one who claims to be a dom posts nonsense witthout substance.

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RE: I am not sure if I should say anything to the commu... - 3/3/2006 9:29:25 PM   
yourMissTress


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Status: offline 		Ok, one last post from me and I'm done here.

To the OP, thank you for emailing me again on this topic after I asked you twice not to do so.

I did learn a few things when reading it though. You didn't want drama, you wanted revenge. That's all you were looking for here. No wonder you were so upset that I and many others, didn't sympathize with the victim.

And thank you again, sometimes it's more difficult to sort through the bullshit.

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RE: I am not sure if I should say anything to the commu... - 3/3/2006 10:08:38 PM   
angelic


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Status: offline 		i am absolutely aware i will get blasted for this (my normal disclaimer)...

MissTress, Ma'am? why is it You thought it necessary to announce to this thread that the OP e-mailed You, not once but twice? Obviously she did it for a reason... i personally think it shows a true lack of class on Your part... (just my opinion though)... when simply ignoring her e-mail would truly have sufficed, would it not? Or were You going for something a bit more dramatic?

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RE: I am not sure if I should say anything to the commu... - 3/3/2006 10:48:27 PM   
ownedgirlie


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Status: offline 		The following links show how the gun ban in the UK in 1997 resulted in gun crime going up. Funny, once the criminals know the citizenry is unarmed, it's a free for all, isn't it?

Regardless...i used to be terrified of guns. Then i moved into a home that had loaded weapons in the house. They told me after i moved in. So i decided to learn to use them, rather than be unknowledgeable about something so serious. i took a course at the local community college. LOVED IT. Target shooting is really a enjoyable past time. i later advanced to Level 4 Firearms courses. i realized, if you put a gun in the middle of a table, it will not shoot anyone. Unless of course it is picked up by someone who has no business using it.

Gun use statistics in the US show high incidents of guns used in the home, or someone the shooter knows. What you read in the fine print is that these statistics include gang violence amongst teens, which would certainly raise the numbers. It's not that a bunch of people are shooting each other at random or by accident in their homes. Yes that happens but more often the gang bangers are shooting each other, thus raising statistics.

Here's the deal. Murder is illegal. And yet it still occurs. All the gun laws in the world are not going to stop violent gun users from getting guns and using them. What it does stop is responsible citizens from protecting themselves.

i have a gun in my home. It is loaded. Once i was home sick and someone tried to break in. i had the phone to the police in one hand, and my gun pointed at the door in the other. When i shouted to the intruder that i had a loaded .357 Magnum aimed at the door....hmm...he left.

Anyway, here are the UK posts. i understand there are similar statistics for Australia, after they banned firearms as well. i report, you decide, lol. As for the other part of this thread...if it were okay to post "warnings" to others, anyone could accuse anyone of anything, right? It would be a mess. Then we'd have to set up a whole Forum Court System and elect judges...lol...no thanks.

http://www.kc3.com/CCDW_Stats/what_you_dont_know.htm

http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewForeignBureaus.asp?Page=%5CForeignBureaus%5Carchive%5C200101%5CFor20010111e.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3112818.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3761626.stm

http://www.alphecca.com/mt_alphecca_archives/000904.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2002/02/24/nguns24.xml


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RE: I am not sure if I should say anything to the commu... - 3/3/2006 11:00:22 PM   
ownedgirlie


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Status: offline 		Couldn't resist. Australia gun crime went up 300% since their gun laws became more strict. Seems only the law abiding citizens turned their guns in...but the criminals did not. Hmm.

http://www.snopes.com/crime/statistics/ausguns.asp

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=15304

http://www.sightm1911.com/docs/guncrimesoars.htm

http://www.chronwatch.com/content/contentDisplay.asp?aid=8073


Here's a blip on Canada as well:

http://johnrlott.tripod.com/op-eds/NationalPost61504.html

Okay i'm done. :)

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RE: I am not sure if I should say anything to the commu... - 3/4/2006 12:27:53 AM   
angelic


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Status: offline 		Several years ago i watched a program about guns and children. The first part of the program was a discussion with a card carrying gun rights activist, social worker and psychologist... who proudly proclaimed how her daughter knew the dangers of guns because she had been 'taught' from birth the dangers of said gun and there was no way she would go near, let alone touch a gun...

... pan to a classroom where a disabled gun was placed... every child in that room pointed that gun at another child and guess what? the all knowing psycholgist's daughter was one of the first... the psychologist was absolutely stunned and shocked... she had done all the right things, right?

Second part of the program: several parents who had guns in their homes not only stated, but honestly believed with all of their hearts that their children didn't know where their guns were kept/hidden... no way their children could find them... each and every one of them where "diifferent". They were doing it the 'right' way.

the TV station placed cameras in each of these homes... each and every child found said 'well-hid' gun. And each and every parent was absolutely amazed... they couldn't believe it...... it was very educational to say the least.

Children and guns do not mix...

Columbine

Oregon

It happened...

So to those of Yyou Wwho have guns and children in Yyour homes and say to Yyourselves, it won't happen to me... please for Yyour children's sake... think again.


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RE: I am not sure if I should say anything to the commu... - 3/4/2006 12:49:01 AM   
ownedgirlie


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Status: offline 		Both sides of this argument are valid. For every story about a family gone wrong with guns getting in their children's hands, there is one of everything going right. Friends i have, grew up with weapons in the house. The guns were locked, but the kids learned safety and to use and respect them at an early age.

It is my opinion that whatever children are not allowed to see, touch, or learn about, they want the most and are most curious about. i tried telling that to my sister who literally covered her 6 year old son's eyes when passing Victoria's Secret in the mall. Guess what store he now wants to know most about?

Now, i don't have kids in the house. Had a neice come stay awhile and i left my gun with a friend. It's not a chance i wanted to take. But, if there ARE going to be weapons in the house, they had better be locked up in a gun safe and completely unaccessible. Just hiding them doesn't cut it. i'm a supporter of having firearms. i am not a supporter of being stupid about them.


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RE: I am not sure if I should say anything to the commu... - 3/4/2006 1:13:20 AM   
angelic


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Status: offline 		owned.. i would have a gun as i am a single mom... however... no way will i even consider that an option... BECAUSE i am a single MOM

gun cases have locks, keys can be found... locks can be unlocked... if my understanding is correct that is precisely what happened with Columbine.. would Columbine have happened if there weren't guns available in the home? who knows? The gun rights activistis will say he would have gotten them some place else... but the facts (as i know them) are that the parents had guns that were LOCKED in a gun case... somehow the key became accessable...the rest is a sad part of history.

i know the OP didn't intend this to become a gun rights discussion... the gun issue sort of hit a nerve with me.

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RE: I am not sure if I should say anything to the commu... - 3/4/2006 6:11:29 AM   
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can we PLEASE let this go now?

(or move this to 'politics' or 'off topic discussions' as I suspect we don't have a 'politics' forum here?)


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RE: I am not sure if I should say anything to the commu... - 3/4/2006 6:43:20 AM   
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ORIGINAL: wytchywoman
silly when some one who claims to be a dom posts nonsense witthout substance.


Could you explain to me why to you a person's orientation has anything to do with this?

Is it OK for a submissive to "post nonsense witthout substance?" Does a switch need to post some substance but not as much as a dom?


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RE: I am not sure if I should say anything to the commu... - 3/4/2006 8:16:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well said John.
I find it a little odd that if I am a Dom then somehow I am not entitled to be foolish...Hell I enjoy being foolish, its fun...but I guess that being Dom is supposed to trump being fun...oh well, I guess I will have to just claim to be a wannabe, since I am NOT going to give up either.

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RE: I am not sure if I should say anything to the commu... - 3/4/2006 8:19:16 AM   
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ORIGINAL: xxblushesxx

For the love of all that is holy...

can we PLEASE let this go now?

(or move this to 'politics' or 'off topic discussions' as I suspect we don't have a 'politics' forum here?)




Yes, the thread ended up focusing on a topic which was stated in the original post. One of the OP's key points was the guy had a gun. So isn't it natural that we would discuss it and, as many conversations flow a natural course, this one did?

Yes, now it would classify as an Off Topic discussion

But....what happened to, if a thread doesn't interest you, don't read it?

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RE: I am not sure if I should say anything to the commu... - 3/4/2006 12:32:29 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Arpig

Well said John.
I find it a little odd that if I am a Dom then somehow I am not entitled to be foolish...Hell I enjoy being foolish, its fun...but I guess that being Dom is supposed to trump being fun...oh well, I guess I will have to just claim to be a wannabe, since I am NOT going to give up either.

I believe the point is that mnottertail is being agonisingly coy, dissembling and passive agressive - not that Doms can't have a fun side. It would help if people would consider the entire context of a statement instead of cherry picking snippets of phrases for the purpose of taking issue. That's pretty silly too.

And I second the motion for the hand gun debate to go find it's own thread.

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