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RE: Believer(s) of god are plague to this world. - 10/16/2009 9:15:19 PM

MasterJack53

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you got me there wolf2bear. I did misspeak and do not claim to know your beliefs. My appology for the mistake.

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RE: Believer(s) of god are plague to this world. - 10/16/2009 9:16:16 PM

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The word itself means the opposite of a theist, one who believes in God. Plenty of other things to believe.

The nice thing about atheism is that you don't go to hell if you don't believe it.

K.

Well - not solely for that reason, anyway.

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RE: Believer(s) of god are plague to this world. - 10/16/2009 9:16:29 PM

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It was long, but I watched it. What I learned was humans have always been involved in war and humans are capable of suicide terrorism. Actually, I new it before the presentation for a fact. Religion apparently is bad as it contributes to the possibility of a suicide mission.
At the end somebody asked why most suicide missions occur when there is a case of foreign occupation?
This is a key. One person's terrorism is another's patriotism. Suicide bomber is just a weapon and everybody uses what they have. No cruise missiles, too bad, need some bodies. Russians killed 100,000+ Chechens (mostly civilians) in short Chechnya independence war and considering Caucasus vandetta traditions we should be surprised there were so few terrorist attacks on Russian territory. Everybody knows the Middle East situation today.
Religion here plays a positive role as it gives people strength and makes resistance possible. It should be realized that without religion the current high civilization would not be in existence. How many followers atheists had during the Dark Ages?

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RE: Believer(s) of god are plague to this world. - 10/16/2009 9:17:43 PM

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all believers except you believe in a supreme God or Godess. Wether they are Muslim, Hindu, Wiccan, or whatever. It is highly possible this one supreme God is the same being. I did not say my God was the only God. btw, I like your guys idea for your tombstones: Here I lie an atheist. All dressed up and no where to go. ORIGINAL: MasterJack53

Wiccans do not believe in a single supreme being, they are polytheistic as are Hindus. Buddhists believe in a great teacher, but do not consider him a supreme god.

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RE: Believer(s) of god are plague to this world. - 10/16/2009 9:22:58 PM

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True, Wiccans do believe in both a God and a Goddess, it is a matter of balance between the male and female energies.

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RE: Believer(s) of god are plague to this world. - 10/16/2009 9:25:34 PM

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Atheists make up only 18% of our total population, why then can they get so much banned? What if we did to them what they do to us. Attack their beliefs.

And come to think of it, not everyone who fights to keep religion out of the lives of people who want nothing to do with it is necessarily an atheist.

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RE: Believer(s) of god are plague to this world. - 10/16/2009 9:28:25 PM

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Atheists make up only 18% of our total population, why then can they get so much banned? What if we did to them what they do to us. Attack their beliefs.

And come to think of it, not everyone who fights to keep religion out of the lives of people who want nothing to do with it is necessarily an atheist.

Definitely not. Barry Lynn, executive director of Americans United for the Seperation of Church and state, is an ordained minister, United church of Christ IIRC.

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RE: Believer(s) of god are plague to this world. - 10/16/2009 9:39:59 PM

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It is people not religion...why can't you understand that... If there were no religion...none... do you think we would not find other reasons to kill?

We are killers… it is in us religion or no religion…

Have not enough died for nationalism to suit you?

Have not enough died because of sexual orientation?

Have not enough died because of skin color?

Have not enough died for drugs?

Have not enough died for jealousy?

Have not enough died well…for fun?

Come on religion is not the real reason for war…you are…Mr. Homosapien.

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RE: Believer(s) of god are plague to this world. - 10/16/2009 9:43:16 PM

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my point, which you obviously mnissed, was that a small portion of the population are undermining the age old law that majority rules. so because 18% of the population doesnt believe in religon or God, the ohter 82% shouldnt be allowed to observe their rituals and beliefs. And to correct you the 1stAmendment to the Constition says "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibitingt the free exercise thereof; " and the 9trh amendment states"the enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people." Now as I see it that says we can all have our beliefs, that congress cant say we cant have those beliefs, and that congress cant pass any laws restrictingb this right.

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RE: Believer(s) of god are plague to this world. - 10/16/2009 9:44:40 PM

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If someone actually FOLLOWS their religion, they do NOT kill others in the name of God.

I don't disagree with the other points you're making and I'm sure that your interpretation of your religion doesn't involve killing but it seems like following passages such as this could cause people to kill on behalf of God:

"Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock." Deuteronomy 13:13-15

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RE: Believer(s) of god are plague to this world. - 10/16/2009 9:46:45 PM

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Sigh.

The point, is, you see, that you ARE allowed to observe your rituals and beliefs.

Perhaps not any damn time/place you choose, but then, I'm not allowed to do a lot of things any damn time/place I choose, and for good reason.

Go live in a country whose citizens truly experience religious oppression. Come back when you're done and rejoice.

[And incidentally...a representational democracy decided to allow you to do so...and to separate it from state--also for good reason. As for your "age old law that majority rules"--that's again utter nonsense. People did what the King told them--including what religion to practice.]

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RE: Believer(s) of god are plague to this world. - 10/16/2009 9:50:13 PM

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Brian Brian Brian

It is people not religion...why can't you understand that... If there were no religion...none... do you think we would not find other reasons to kill?

We are killers… it is in us religion or no religion…

Have not enough died for nationalism to suit you?

Have not enough died because of sexual orientation?

Have not enough died because of skin color?

Have not enough died for drugs?

Have not enough died for jealousy?

Have not enough died well…for fun?

Come on religion is not the real reason for war…you are…Mr. Homosapien.

Butch

Omg. I agree with Butch.

Truly, hell hath frozen over.

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RE: Believer(s) of god are plague to this world. - 10/16/2009 9:50:59 PM

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As God said, those who dont believe are fools.

Well if God said it that is certainly enough proof for me to turn away from my atheistic ways.

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RE: Believer(s) of god are plague to this world. - 10/16/2009 9:51:09 PM

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I must admit i often agree with you... i just never say it....

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RE: Believer(s) of god are plague to this world. - 10/16/2009 9:52:10 PM

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In my opinion, anyone who can't see the difference between believing in God and believing in the doctrines of some religion or other has no business talking about either.

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RE: Believer(s) of god are plague to this world. - 10/16/2009 9:55:29 PM

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I guess my missionary trips to chezhoslovakia, Poland and East Berlin to get the word to them doesnt cout? Ive been there, done that, and stood in a buildiong that was soo full of believers there was standing room only and you could barely breath.

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RE: Believer(s) of god are plague to this world. - 10/16/2009 9:57:33 PM

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Brain,

I'm an atheist, and I gotta say---

Give it rest. You just keep making the same point over and over. People get it.

Learn to live and let live...that, after all, is what you're asking of believers.

And be fair. Believers do a lot of good in the world as well. At its best, it's a healthy belief to hold.

Please. Let it go.

Oh, not so fast.

You want him to let it go but we must listen to the "believers" on a daily basis.

You need to only look at this forum for which side is more vocal.

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RE: Believer(s) of god are plague to this world. - 10/16/2009 9:57:47 PM

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So--rejoice, damn it!

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RE: Believer(s) of god are plague to this world. - 10/16/2009 9:59:00 PM

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I would never think of asking you to change your beliefs. I would, if you wanted to hear it, pass on the word to you. But you have the right to reject my belief as bullshit as much as I have the right to believe what I believe.

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RE: Believer(s) of god are plague to this world. - 10/16/2009 10:02:20 PM

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