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RE: Believer(s) of god are plague to this world. - 10/16/2009 10:03:16 PM

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Im gonna say just one thing more thaen Ill hush and let it go. The only one who could provide an answer to this argument is, if you believe, God. and if there is no God, we wont be going anywhere and I wont be able to say," ok. you were right. you win."

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RE: Believer(s) of god are plague to this world. - 10/16/2009 10:05:13 PM

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Wasn't that one of the agendas in the Old Soviet Union? Elimination of religion because it interfered with a worker state? There is also much speculation that an infamous former German leader was either atheist or agnostic/nature believer. Religions have been persecuted by secular states and institutions and religions have done their share of persecution. It is not the belief in a diety that is bad, it is the belief that man can do things beyond his means, and impose his reality upon others with extreme prejudice. Matters not how they color that reality.

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When atheists burn, hang and torture Christians, then we can have a conversation about how badly religion is treated by we godless heathens. Until then, count the bodies of those killed in the name of Christ and Allah and consider yourself lucky.

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RE: Believer(s) of god are plague to this world. - 10/16/2009 10:06:28 PM

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I guess my missionary trips to chezhoslovakia, Poland and East Berlin to get the word to them doesnt cout? Ive been there, done that, and stood in a buildiong that was soo full of believers there was standing room only and you could barely breath.

Uh.......what century did this occur in?

Because East Berlin and Czechoslovakia haven't existed in this one.

And what word were you trying to give them since they are all predominately Christian countries, particularly Poland.

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RE: Believer(s) of god are plague to this world. - 10/16/2009 10:09:04 PM

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youre right this occured in the 1980's before the fall oif the wall and the brfeak up of the Soviet Union. I suppose youre calling me a liar. this just shows how ignorant you are.

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RE: Believer(s) of god are plague to this world. - 10/16/2009 10:09:09 PM

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my point, which you obviously mnissed, was that a small portion of the population are undermining the age old law that majority rules.

Wrong, the majority doesn't rule, we live in a republic not a democracy.

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RE: Believer(s) of god are plague to this world. - 10/16/2009 10:11:45 PM

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in the House and the Senate when a vote is taken, they have ayes and nays. the more of one makes it the winner. is that not majority rules? its the same with the PTA, votong for family movies, dinner etc. the mofre yeses you get than nos determines the winning choice.

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RE: Believer(s) of god are plague to this world. - 10/16/2009 10:17:40 PM

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Im gonna say just one thing more thaen Ill hush and let it go. The only one who could provide an answer to this argument is, if you believe, God. and if there is no God, we wont be going anywhere and I wont be able to say," ok. you were right. you win."

No sense arguing with nonbelievers… they can no more prove God does not exist than you can prove he does.

I look at it this way… believers live their lives and die with a prayer and hope to enter heaven. Nonbelievers live their lives and believe they will rot in their graves for eternity. If they are right neither will know…if we are right we will pray to a merciful God to forgive them and allow them to join us in bliss.

In the mean time I understand their doubts…don’t you? I believe even the Pope has had doubts. But usually we see God’s miracles around us enough to restore our beliefs.

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RE: Believer(s) of god are plague to this world. - 10/16/2009 10:17:57 PM

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I would never think of asking you to change your beliefs. I would, if you wanted to hear it, pass on the word to you. But you have the right to reject my belief as bullshit as much as I have the right to believe what I believe.

More power to you.

But I don't go on missionary excursions to foreign countries to convince those poor lost souls there is no God.

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RE: Believer(s) of god are plague to this world. - 10/16/2009 10:19:57 PM

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Atheism is a non-prophet organization. and with that I leave this ever going argument. Ill just say, as for me, God said it, I believe it, end of story.

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RE: Believer(s) of god are plague to this world. - 10/16/2009 10:25:43 PM

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But usually we see God’s miracles around us enough to restore our beliefs.

Butch

Let's not get started on this again.

Anything and everything is one of God's miracles in the eyes of the indoctrinated.

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RE: Believer(s) of god are plague to this world. - 10/16/2009 10:28:30 PM

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youre right this occured in the 1980's before the fall oif the wall and the brfeak up of the Soviet Union. I suppose youre calling me a liar. this just shows how ignorant you are.

No, what I am questioning is what "word" you were spreading?

These were all historically Christian countries.

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RE: Believer(s) of god are plague to this world. - 10/16/2009 10:30:33 PM

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Ill just say, as for me, God said it, I believe it, end of story.

Okay, I'll bite. How do you know God said it? (whatever "it" is) But wait, let me save you some inconvenience. If your answer is that it's in the Bible, how do you know the Bible is "God's Word"? And finally, if your answer is, "Because it tells us so," nevermind then, I'll just correct your English. What you mean is not, "God said it, I believe it," but rather, "I believe God said it." I can live with that. That's a mentally competent statement. But simply declaring baldly that, "God said it," is not a mentally competent statement.

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RE: Believer(s) of god are plague to this world. - 10/16/2009 10:35:50 PM

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But usually we see God’s miracles around us enough to restore our beliefs.

Butch

Let's not get started on this again.

Anything and everything is one of God's miracles in the eyes of the indoctrinated.

Will the "we" was myself and Masterjack...But God bless you too rule...may miracles enter your life ...even if you are not able to see them for what they are.

I’ve never been one to think good people even if not religious are doomed to oblivion so you still have a chance.

Neither have I been one to think that if I am mistaken in my believe I am any less of a realist or intelligent than a nonbeliever…I just live by a different faith than you do.

Butch

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RE: Believer(s) of god are plague to this world. - 10/16/2009 10:52:26 PM

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I just live by a different faith than you do.

I have to agree with that analysis. I've never found there to be much use for the term "atheism" except to assert a position in opposition to "theism". Every atheist I've ever known had absolute faith in the philosophical theory that regards matter and its motions as constituting the universe, and all phenomena, including those of mind, as due to material agencies.

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RE: Believer(s) of god are plague to this world. - 10/16/2009 10:57:27 PM

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What are the aforementioned miracles around us?

Being a Deist, maybe I could use them as evidence to convert my atheist girlfriend!

Unless the "miracles" are things that can all be explained by the natural wonders of science. =/

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RE: Believer(s) of god are plague to this world. - 10/16/2009 11:03:04 PM

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Will the "we" was myself and Masterjack...But God bless you too rule...may miracles enter your life ...even if you are not able to see them for what they are.

Butch

Butch, I truly do see the miracles.

I just went downstairs to my refrigerator thinking I was out of beer, but lo and behold a twelve pack miraculously appeared.

I think Jesus was in my 'fridge and just like feeding the multitudes by multiplying the fish and the loaves he performed the miracle of turning my last beer into a twelve-pack.

Praise Jesus!!

(Either that or I forgot I went to the store and bought more. But then we can still give him credit for giving me the unseen and unknown spiritual inspiration to go to the store to buy more.)

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RE: Believer(s) of god are plague to this world. - 10/16/2009 11:16:50 PM

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bleh - deleted - g'nite

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RE: Believer(s) of god are plague to this world. - 10/17/2009 4:12:56 AM

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"Believer(s) of god are plague to this world"

what about aethiests that believe in the God Particle?

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RE: Believer(s) of god are plague to this world. - 10/17/2009 4:27:50 AM

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Atheists make up only 18% of our total population, why then can they get so much banned? What if we did to them what they do to us. Attack their beliefs.

And come to think of it, not everyone who fights to keep religion out of the lives of people who want nothing to do with it is necessarily an atheist.

Definitely not. Barry Lynn, executive director of Americans United for the Seperation of Church and state, is an ordained minister, United church of Christ IIRC.

Thanks to you both for pointing that out.

Faith is important to me, but it galls me to see it shoved at anyone else.

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RE: Believer(s) of god are plague to this world. - 10/17/2009 4:35:22 AM

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If someone actually FOLLOWS their religion, they do NOT kill others in the name of God.

I don't disagree with the other points you're making and I'm sure that your interpretation of your religion doesn't involve killing but it seems like following passages such as this could cause people to kill on behalf of God:

"Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock." Deuteronomy 13:13-15

Odd quote. Thanks for bringing it up - I'll have to ask a rabbi. Aside from violating the crystal clear "Thou shalt not kill" in the Commandments, it also advocates the senseless slaughter of livestock.

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my point, which you obviously mnissed, was that a small portion of the population are undermining the age old law that majority rules. so because 18% of the population doesnt believe in religon or God, the ohter 82% shouldnt be allowed to observe their rituals and beliefs. And to correct you the 1stAmendment to the Constition says "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibitingt the free exercise thereof; " and the 9trh amendment states"the enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people." Now as I see it that says we can all have our beliefs, that congress cant say we cant have those beliefs, and that congress cant pass any laws restrictingb this right.

With all due respect, MasterJack, I disagree with you. You're lumping all deists together to get to that 82%, but they do not all worship alike.

The laws as interpreted hold that all have the right to practice their religions in private. Go to a Muslim mosque, a Jewish synagogue, a Mormon temple, or a Catholic or Protestant church, and you will see the worshippers within following their religions unencumbered. The objections have all been when a commercial or government entity has adopted a stance favoring the expression of one religion over another, Private entities have always been allowed to have public displays such as Christmas lights, and I've heard of few objections to them.

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