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RE: Do you ever wish you were not a slave - 10/17/2009 6:37:49 AM   
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i have been 1 24/7 owned slave. Was it always fun and games? No. i had to clean house, do laundary, run errands, and put up with MASTERS who could be quite moody so that nothing pleased them.

Having said that, however, it was the time in my life i felt completely at peace. i was content in my station. i hope one day to be fortunate enough to be owned again.

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RE: Do you ever wish you were not a slave - 10/17/2009 6:39:03 AM   
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It would appear that many on this site still don't understand the difference between a slave and a sub.There is no romance and cuddling and sleeping in the same bed etc etc with a slave.A slave is treated as an object and not treated all that well.


well dayyyy-um do i feel dumb.



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RE: Do you ever wish you were not a slave - 10/17/2009 6:43:18 AM   
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Wow porcelaine that is amazingly well put. it is easy for a slave to lose sight of his goals become selfish. Keeping those selfish thoughts out of his head is part of the selfdisapline required to be a slave. Being Owned is a gift always thank You for reminding me of that.


thank you. i've had this discussion with a fellow slave sister and we remark on the unhappiness many feel in their servitude. i believe there are many contributing factors and it is important that the slave goes in with her eyes open and considers what serving Him will entail. more than this, i ask myself if i'm willing to do it for Him. i have found that answer is usually most telling. when you're properly paired you're less likely to focus on the things you've sacrificed because all that has been gained is hard to ignore.

however, i have never believed that feelings are wrong. if selfish thoughts are cropping up the slave should take time to analyze them to determine the root of her discontent. ignoring it rarely causes them to disappear, they end up festering instead. there's also someone else in the dynamic that is an incredible resource. she should discuss her feelings with Him and seek guidance. it is an exchange after all, He can't resolve an issue i refuse to acknowledge or bring to Him.

as for the discipline, of course it is a challenge. surrender isn't supposed to be easy. you're giving up things you enjoy. the discomfort provides an important barometer which allows the slave to glimpse her mindset at a given time if she chooses to pay attention. kyra provided a wonderful example and illustrated how solutions can be found if we're willing to look for them. unfortunately, others might have missed the opportunity by electing to focus on what was versus new ways of doing the same.

i don't believe my ownership is a gift. it wasn't presented in a pretty blue boy with white ribbon. He didn't surprise me one day and hand over the keys to the kingdom. the station is earned. He's provided opportunities for me to demonstrate my desire for Him and willingness to yield. He displays His dominance and mastery in a manner that compliments my slavery. we determine through time and trials if they mesh. i would equate the gift as a blessing that we've found one another, but the actual things exchanged are never gifts in my eyes. it is merely who we are instead.

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RE: Do you ever wish you were not a slave - 10/17/2009 6:46:52 AM   
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holly, I feel inclined to treat you decently.


Steven...you must hand in yer Weal Twue Dom card.
You blew it, fella...



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RE: Do you ever wish you were not a slave - 10/17/2009 7:17:33 AM   
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It would appear that many on this site still don't understand the difference between a slave and a sub.There is no romance and cuddling and sleeping in the same bed etc etc with a slave.A slave is treated as an object and not treated all that well. Here in America we used to own slaves. They were brought over from Africa in shackles and not treated very well and seen as objects to be used and abused and had no or very few rights.That is what a slave is and although I of course do not condone what took place here many years ago,that is/was true slavery.My way of choosing to live like a slave is similar to that kind of treatment only for me I only wish to be a slave to a woman and have experienced this type of slavery and am currently still seeking this.


I am an American and not one single one of my ancesters or relatives have ever owned slaves.  Not all slaves were abused nor were all seen as objects.  I really wish people would do research before making declarations.  Of course in history there have been slaves since time out of mind and were not all abused or considered objects. 

And I am my Master's slave.  I cannot imagine me telling Him that I have to sleep on the floor when He specifically wants me in the bed with Him.  I cannot imagine me turning away from His kisses, or His embrace or telling Him He cannot love me because I am His slave.  I cannot imagine my dictating His desires, wants, needs, or actions in order to fit Him or myself into your little box.  He will do what He wants to do. He is Master.  I am His slave. 

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RE: Do you ever wish you were not a slave - 10/17/2009 7:31:43 AM   
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no i haven't  but i have only recently have been allowed to become the slave that i am to my Mistress. i do indeed enjoy pleasing others and having become a slave i know i must do so at the discretion of my Mistress.  as i do all things to please Her it is not hard as the trust and admiration that She shows me is reward enough. should a time ever come where i would question my place at Her feet i will remember that She is the one that i have chosen to please and that is the most important thing.

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RE: Do you ever wish you were not a slave - 10/17/2009 7:35:24 AM   
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Thank you all for your responses.
i reread my post and i realize i need to make some corrections.
i should have not refereed to slaves as being "below" subs. subs have more power but saying they are above a slave is a little insulting, sorry slaves.
i used the sleeping on the floor and bathroom control as an example but i know that not all slaves have these rules. What a slave is is defined, in my opinion, by their Owner.

slavey

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RE: Do you ever wish you were not a slave - 10/17/2009 7:46:00 AM   
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ORIGINAL: slaveyslave

Thank you all for your responses.
i reread my post and i realize i need to make some corrections.
i should have not refereed to slaves as being "below" subs. subs have more power but saying they are above a slave is a little insulting, sorry slaves.
i used the sleeping on the floor and bathroom control as an example but i know that not all slaves have these rules. What a slave is is defined, in my opinion, by their Owner.

slavey



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RE: Do you ever wish you were not a slave - 10/17/2009 8:19:06 AM   
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... what porcelaine said... again...

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RE: Do you ever wish you were not a slave - 10/17/2009 12:03:35 PM   
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I am a sub but whan Master is here i need bathroom permission just one of our few rules. Master said he may never deny me it but he still wants me to ask. As to sleeping on the floor that will never happen he likes me sleeping in bed with him so i can keep him warm also so he can play with me when he wants to.

As to strugling with it when i first realized what it was i am i fought i tooth and nail and struggled mightly with it. Once i embraced it i was at peace and have not struggled with it since. I am more fufilled and happier that i was when i was fighting it.

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RE: Do you ever wish you were not a slave - 10/17/2009 3:22:31 PM   
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ORIGINAL: porcelaine

thank you. i've had this discussion with a fellow slave sister and we remark on the unhappiness many feel in their servitude.




Porcelaine, please excuse me for truncating your post. If I were a philosophy professor, I would use your posts for a full year seminar, and I am sure it would be the most successful in the university. At least a lot more successful than say "ethics in banking", but this is a cheap shot.

I view many of the discutions here as bipolar, between a rather "moderate" approach to dominance and a more "extremist" one. Before you look for your flame thrower, I mean "extremist" in a litteral sense as in willing to go to the extreme, not with with the negative connotations. In that sense, an extremist is simply a person who goes to the logical end of his or her choices. Charles Dunant, when he created the Red Cross, when to the logical end of his thinking and was an extremist. Adolf Hitler too, thus I want to use the expression in a value free way.

You noticed that many feel unhappy in their servitude, I suppose that also many feel happy too. Nevertheless, I think that the purpose of any good person is to improve happiness, to make this place a more enjoyable one, particularly for the ones next to us.

I do not have a solution, but I wish there could be some kind of middle way, where the happiness of both is the goal, and not the pursuit -- or avoidance of complete slavery at all costs. The unhappiness of the slave is of course the most obvious one -- and the most heart-wrenching. But what about the Master, who find him- (or her-) self in a position where he is forced to do things he does necesseraly want to do, to keep the relationship going (?).

You said "she should discuss her feelings with Him and seek guidance. it is an exchange after all". Do you think it is possible for "Him" to do the same?


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RE: Do you ever wish you were not a slave - 10/17/2009 3:55:09 PM   
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Of course, one sometimes wishes to be free of momentary discomfort.  But would I ever give up the big picture?  Never.  Workouts are hard, and I often dread hitting the gym.  But I would never even consider quitting entirely.

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RE: Do you ever wish you were not a slave - 10/17/2009 5:46:13 PM   
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I do not have a solution, but I wish there could be some kind of middle way, where the happiness of both is the goal, and not the pursuit -- or avoidance of complete slavery at all costs. The unhappiness of the slave is of course the most obvious one -- and the most heart-wrenching. But what about the Master, who find him- (or her-) self in a position where he is forced to do things he does necesseraly want to do, to keep the relationship going (?).

You said "she should discuss her feelings with Him and seek guidance. it is an exchange after all". Do you think it is possible for "Him" to do the same?



We always look for a win/win solution. I find by keeping that in mind, you are more likely to achieve it. Unfortunately in a lot of relationships the needs and wants of the s type is discounted, leading necessarily to unhappiness and a short term relationship with various charges of not real and true being tossed about afterwards.

And we put the health of the relationship above everything else. If he has a whim he wants to indulge that will cause damage to the relationship he needs to decide whether gratifying it is more important than continuing. If it is, then it is appropriate to tell the other person first so they can leave before being hurt, not afterwards.

And here, he talks to me as much as I do to him. We are lovers, best friends, sounding boards, each other's cheering section, consolers etc. If he couldn't talk to me, I would be failing him.

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RE: Do you ever wish you were not a slave - 10/17/2009 6:39:42 PM   
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You noticed that many feel unhappy in their servitude, I suppose that also many feel happy too. Nevertheless, I think that the purpose of any good person is to improve happiness, to make this place a more enjoyable one, particularly for the ones next to us.


it is my belief unhappiness has several causes and it may not stem from the relationship at all. it is difficult to pinpoint without intimate knowledge of a given situation. in an ideal world slavery would magnify an individual in every manner possible. i believe this fails to take place for many reasons; the most common being a clear understanding of what the station entails and what services means for that Individual. what might appear to be arousing can become a noose around ones neck in the long term. it is important that she's aware of what she seeks and is realistic as to whether the situation will meet her needs and provide a healthy environment that allows for growth and betterment.

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I do not have a solution, but I wish there could be some kind of middle way, where the happiness of both is the goal, and not the pursuit -- or avoidance of complete slavery at all costs. The unhappiness of the slave is of course the most obvious one -- and the most heart-wrenching.


i see slavery as a progression from submission. i don't believe it is ever the starting point. having intimate knowledge of oneself creates a much better dynamic in the long run. we become comfortable with who we are and we're able to articulate our desires succinctly. we also realize no doesn't mean we're unworthy, but the situation may not be suited for our well being. there's no harm or shame involved in this.

it is called slavery for a reason. the idea versus the reality can be a huge shock for many. if the slave possesses an innate desire to serve that isn't the product of something traumatic, escapist, codependent, or any other motives save a willingness to please and yield, it can be very satisfying. this isn't to imply that one is drawn to the path for the same reasons, but there are definite characteristics i find common in those that are both successful and sincerely joyful in their station. in short, they radiate and it is hard to miss.

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But what about the Master, who find him- (or her-) self in a position where he is forced to do things he does necesseraly want to do, to keep the relationship going (?). You said "she should discuss her feelings with Him and seek guidance. it is an exchange after all". Do you think it is possible for "Him" to do the same?


leaders are always called upon to make difficult decisions. in our mundane lives we have each encountered situations where we're literally choosing the lesser of two evils, why would this path be any different? He must be able to execute, even in those instances where the options appear limited. hopefully He has a capacity for lateral thinking and is willing to admit when the circumstances exceed His capabilities. if so, outside assistance is always the better course than inaction.

in my opinion He's the CEO. He wanted the helm and He has it. every good leader has tools in place that offset His deficiencies. when He is unable to discuss things with her for whatever reasons, where does He turn? admittedly i'm a proponent for communication, but i also recognize that people enjoy being able to bounce ideas off of unbiased parties. i would hope He has someone in His arsenal that He trusts that provides an ear when needed. when He's come to some reasonable conclusions in His head and feels satisfied with the course of action He'll take, He should discuss it with her. during the period of uncertainty i believe reassurance should be provided that He has the matter in hand and is putting a solution in place. oftentimes people are far more agitated when they're unaware and left in the dark.

the hardships should be seen as workable solutions that provide incentives for change. both are going to err and make a heap of mistakes. it is important not to lose sight of this and the human element overall. wrestling with oneself and all the internal changes taking place is part of the surrender. attempts to sidestep or avoid the emotional undercurrents will always be met with failure. it is something we each undergo and there are marked lessons in the sufferance. some are wired in a manner where they're able to internalize the discomfort by focusing on Him or utilizing other methods for grounding and tranquility, others become depressed and are swallowed whole by the experience.

whatever her response she must view what is happening with honest eyes. denying her discomfort and plastering on a smile is counterproductive. if she adheres to the misguided idea of perfection she will eventually come to despise it all. while i understand it can be frightening to share those feelings with ones Owner, that is why He exists. we must be willing to show our authenticity, even when we're not at our finest. He can provide demonstrated reasons where our thinking has run amok and lead us back to Him. sometimes the fear isn't about being less than perfect, but truthfully resistance to the surrender that is taking place. this is normal as well and if He's wise He's devised methods to offset its negative influences.

lastly, it is imperative that she has a support network. the path is arduous and can be very difficult to explain to outsiders. merely being in the company of others that have experienced the same on some level can be comforting. the most important thing she must keep in mind is patience and learning to be still. when the waters rage is precisely when she needs to turn within and find her balance. i view these internal rumblings as a sign that i've strayed too far and a call for realignment. the silence inevitably brings in clarity, a restoration of peace, and inspires a deeper surrender which heightens ones servitude as well.

the merits of the path are plentiful. the limitations and hindrances are truthfully those she places upon herself and within her way. the slave is a lot like dorothy on her journey to oz. it took a long winding road and some interesting experiences for her to uncover what she already possessed. we make similar discoveries in our journey with the One we serve.

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RE: Do you ever wish you were not a slave - 10/17/2009 8:11:58 PM   
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greetings to all,

I used to be one of the "I wish I wasn't a slave" people, but, recently, I have come to realise that slavery is my calling, and, owned or not, it is fundamentally who I am.  I cannot run from who I am.  I might not always be happy to be a slave, I might not always be owned, but slavery is what I need to be my fullest, most contented self.

I often wish, and indeed long, for many of the superficial "freedoms" that others around me take for granted, but when alone with my thoughts, I realise that without the tight rein that my Master keeps on me, I would just be a shadow of my true self.  Being true to myself (no matter who, or what that may be) is far more precious to me than societally given and assumed "rights" and "freedoms".  They might work to make the greater population happy (and more power to people if that is the case), but, for myself, currently being owned, those "rights" and "freedoms" (and the people that constantly advocate my "rights") are nothing but stress.

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RE: Do you ever wish you were not a slave - 10/18/2009 1:54:29 AM   
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Right now, I am wishing I was not a slave.  My mother has another back surgery coming up in January.  Since it is not her first, nor expected to be her last, recovery time will be long.  I am her only daughter.  I live 3,000 miles away with B, and have for years.  I deal with guilt over leaving her in the hands of my brothers.  She has a chronic disease and has had it for over 20 years. 

When news of the newest surgery hit, B said we would move back to Louisiana so that I could once again care for my mother.  Then, the economy took a nosedive and he is now saying I should go care for her during her recovery then return to him.  I've already told my mother and the rest of my family that we are coming home.  Now, I am going to have to break my mother's heart and say its only temporary.  I am devastated.

I understand all the reasons.  He has a really really good job, secure even in this economy.  He would not get near that in Louisiana at this time.  I don't want to leave him, even temporarily.  I don't want to tell my mother I'm not really coming home.  I am devastated and I don't want to be a slave at this time. 

I know how this will play out, however.  I will do as B instructs.  I do not have the will to do anything different.  I feel like I am on some Jerry Springer show or something and people should be screaming at me, "How could you chose a man over your blood family?!?!?"  Really, how could I?  I agree.  The answer is, because I am B's slave.  I just don't have it in me to not be his slave. 

So, yes, there are times when I wish I was different (not a slave) ... strong enough to be free, to blaze my own path, to stand on my own, to live and die by my own code and choices.  But, I am B's slave.  Most of the time, it's bliss, but now and then, something happens that makes me think, "What the hell is wrong with me?"  Such is life.  I just have to suck it up and go on the only way I can ... as his.


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RE: Do you ever wish you were not a slave - 10/18/2009 8:52:49 AM   
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I do not have a solution, but I wish there could be some kind of middle way, where the happiness of both is the goal, and not the pursuit -- or avoidance of complete slavery at all costs.
I guess I don't see what the issue here is Henry. I wield a LOT of authority over Carol by most any measure I can think of. I actively pursue gaining more authority all the time. Carol and I "chase" ever deeper levels of submission constantly. But none of that defines my goals, just the amount of authority I have at any particular time. There is still the unanswered question of what purpose I am turning all that authority to. And for Carol and I, the purpose is our joint happiness. To me, the authority is a means to an end, not the end itself.

I do sometimes find myself in the position of "doing things I don't want to do". But that is an inescapable by product of choosing any path. Whether we were vanilla or D/s or M/s would change nothing with that. Ditto for Carol. However, the moment that I determined that there was some better way to run our marriage, I'd drop the whole authority dynamic in a heart beat. I'm not trapped in this and neither is she. We do it for the smiles... just as you were proposing.

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RE: Do you ever wish you were not a slave - 10/18/2009 11:30:53 AM   
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yes :)


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RE: Do you ever wish you were not a slave - 10/19/2009 1:23:01 AM   
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Wow. You know, me and Maggi were just discussing this the other day.

I love my life. I would not trade it for anything. But there are many times where I would say I dont want to continue being a slave, or that I would not encourage anyone to enter into slavery.

It sounds like such a bad thing, but it happens. I get down. I get dreary. I get to a breaking point where the only reason that I dont get up and give Him a few choice words is because of the deep respect I have for Him as Master.... But it is hard. I think that the benefits outweigh the bad - and that is what matters. I am content. But I do wish there were times where I could just tell him no and that be the end of it.

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RE: Do you ever wish you were not a slave - 10/19/2009 6:22:51 AM   
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Annabelle, do you tell him you're down and dreary? If not, why not and if you do, does it matter to him? Because if your happiness doesn't matter to him, then that's the problem. But if you need a break to recharge your energy, he needs to know this. Not telling him would be like rigging a cell phone so it said it had full battery all the time, and then being surprised when it died unexpectedly.

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