DommeMae
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Please show where I even hinted they would grow up with major problems resulting in overhearing the scolding or to be menaces to society.
So why say, and I quote you: "it's unacceptable for children to hear regardless if it was brutal or not."
Why is it unacceptable?
Obviously, there is a negative consequence as a result in your mind.
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And again I feel that your personal requirements for facts before forming any sort of opinion are not best suited to a message board where you are extremely lucky to get both sides.
I feel your pessimistic slant on things is not good for a message board, either, just for the very reason it's unlikely we get both sides of the story.
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Again we disagree. Shocking. I'll refrain from insulting your position though.
So you went from calling my position "lofty" to you'll refrain from insulting my position. Good.
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Indeed, the only concern I expressed for their future was not knowing how to do their chores or their ability to function in society if they are being taught that men are only there to serve. This does not imply major problems or that they would become a menace to society.
Good, I'm glad you agree it likely won't cause major problems. But again, and this is a technical point I've brought up repeatedly. How do you know for certain they haven't been taught what chores entail? Further, it's possible she teaches her kids to not depend on others for this, but rather, see it as a privilege and convenience.
"Men should work for the happiness of women." There is nothing inherently hateful or unhealthy about that from where I stand.
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I didn't say anyone was did I? (being forced to make a bet)
So why bring it up, if for nothing than a rhetorical comment devised to further substantiate your opinion.
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May I suggest that the forums, where you likely never get such detailed information, is not quite the place for your lofty information requirements?
The point is, we cannot possibly know what's really going on in a relationship just for that reason.
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You are willing to give this woman the benefit of the doubt no matter what. I'm not.
if you had read my previous posts, I have already stated several times that if I am corrected I will change my stance. This means I acknowledge that there are other possiblities but I do not regard them as the most likely given the present information.
Let's explore the term you use. Giving the benefit of doubt: A favorable judgment granted in the absence of full evidence.
Clearly, I haven't given her the benefit of the doubt anywhere in this thread. I've never said she was innocent until proven guilty. I've never stated my opinion as to her guilt or innocence. I stated throughout this thread (see below) that I can't make any judgments until I have more facts:
- Until we hear from the OP, all we can do is speculate the POSSIBILITIES.
- I don't defend anyone, I'm trying to get you to stop dismissing the possibilities which are out there.
- It's possible for him to eat out of his special plate on the table. We don't know until he specifies.
- It's possible she teaches them to not depend on others for this, but rather, see it as a privilege and convenience. It is possible.
- I merely broached the possibility that it's possible there's more to the story and that the OP's very vague on several key statements.
- No, I wouldn't defend anyone until I had enough facts.
- He didn't give enough facts to make an assessment.
- Aside from broaching the possibility of additional explanations, exactly how am I defending her?
- And they should do this by looking at all the facts, rather than existing preconceptions, bias, speculations and assumptions.
- We still don't have any evidence they heard actual beatings. If they did, again I don't condone that.
- He said discipline. Discipline has many forms, from mild scolding to bodily harm. He needs to be more specific.
- And I've been saying 'we don't have the full story as to what she's doing, telling or teaching the kids. Though your crystal ball seems to know. By the way, the men should be harnessed for a woman's advancement is nothing new.
- You also don't know if tis woman beat him within their ear shot. Until the OP gets more specific, your assumptions are just that - assumptions.
- We don't have enough facts from him to draw a conclusion. What was the plate called and where was it placed? What discipline did they hear? You don't-have these answers yet you already say she's damaging the kids. You need more facts.
< Message edited by DommeMae -- 1/7/2010 12:06:20 PM >
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