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RE: Is it right for daughters - 1/7/2010 11:26:06 AM

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Call me crazy, but questioning/insinuating one's ability to function in society is fairly close to hinting "major problems".

Who cares how close or distant it is? It's not the same. You're guilty of committing a continuum fallacy here, Isaac.

To be fair not being able to function in society IS a major problem seeing as we all live in society, if we can't function in it then we can't function full stop. Pretty massive problem if you ask me.

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RE: Is it right for daughters - 1/7/2010 11:33:36 AM

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Please show where I even hinted they would grow up with major problems resulting in overhearing the scolding or to be menaces to society.

Indeed, the only concern I expressed for their future was not knowing how to do their chores or their ability to function in society if they are being taught that men are only there to serve. This does not imply major problems or that they would become a menace to society.

Call me crazy, but questioning/insinuating one's ability to function in society is fairly close to hinting "major problems".

Who cares how close or distant it is? It's not the same. You're guilty of committing a continuum fallacy here, Isaac.

WTF?
I don't care how much glade you attempt to spray on it here, Peon. Your argument for her argument stinks.

My argument was against the argument as it's become here as a whole.

In general: If you don't understand a post of mine, could you please say so? I'd find that more helpful.

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RE: Is it right for daughters - 1/7/2010 11:36:40 AM

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In general: If you don't understand a post of mine, could you please say so? I'd find that more helpful.

I'd find it more helpful if you didn't say stupid shit.

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RE: Is it right for daughters - 1/7/2010 11:38:03 AM

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Why would it be more wrong to teach ones daughters female domination than male. If someone live in a male dominated relationship with the woman doing all the house work and waiting on her man, would anyone question if that was wrong to teach that man's young?

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RE: Is it right for daughters - 1/7/2010 11:39:55 AM

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Some did make mention of it to the point of argument! lol It basically boils down to how the op stated and worded what was happening.

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RE: Is it right for daughters - 1/7/2010 11:41:00 AM

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I would never expose My children to kink, and yes, her children were exposed to kink. You kissing her feet is not a typical vanilla interaction, I assure you.

While I fully agree that children should never be exposed to play. How is kissing another person's feet worse than kissing their lips? Are BDSM such a horrible thing that we can not let children see the non sexual aspects of it like kissing feet or wearing a collar? To me that sound a bit like saying BDSM is something dirty one should hide away. And that I do not agree with.

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RE: Is it right for daughters - 1/7/2010 11:42:03 AM

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If someone live in a male dominated relationship with the woman doing all the house work and waiting on her man, would anyone question if that was wrong to teach that man's young?

Yes!

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RE: Is it right for daughters - 1/7/2010 11:43:40 AM

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In general: If you don't understand a post of mine, could you please say so? I'd find that more helpful.

I'd find it more helpful if you didn't say stupid shit.

I'm deeply saddened that you feel that way about my posts, Isaac.

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RE: Is it right for daughters - 1/7/2010 11:43:46 AM

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Is it "wrong"? Eh. People try to instill ridiculous things in their children all the time. It certainly is sexist and unless the daughters, quite honestly, have the looks to back up the superiority complexes they're likely to develop, some rude awakenings will likely be down the road for both of them.

If the mom has actually bolstered any real positive result in them (you know, like self-awareness and being comfortable being who you are as opposed to what someone else wants you to be), hopefully they'll be intelligent enough to learn to be happy with whatever internal predispositions they have.

I'd be more concerned about, if one of the daughters actually felt more at peace being submissive, whether the mother (in what appears to be overcompensation for something) would continue to try and shove female domination down her daughter's throat.

There is a distinct line between being free to act how you actually are in your family (and the acts and dynamic themselves I have no problem with. It does no harm to a child to watch a partner eat from a pet dish), but trying to puppeteer a child of your towards the end you want because you think that is more important than building an environment where the kid can discover herself freely without fear of reprisal (whether she discovers herself to be dominant or submissive) is an entirely separate issue.

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RE: Is it right for daughters - 1/7/2010 11:47:08 AM

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While I fully agree that children should never be exposed to play. How is kissing another person's feet worse than kissing their lips? Are BDSM such a horrible thing that we can not let children see the non sexual aspects of it like kissing feet or wearing a collar? To me that sound a bit like saying BDSM is something dirty one should hide away. And that I do not agree with.

To be fair its not the action that grates so much as the philosophy/mentality. I don't think a child watching an adult kissing anothers feet would damage them, of course I also do not think it is the same as kissing their lips (its not worse, its just less common) its the idea of men being there to serve women that is an issue, just like any other bigotry is

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RE: Is it right for daughters - 1/7/2010 11:54:41 AM

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And a lot of this is going to come back to ye olde "exposing minors to kink", which is often a ridiculous accusation.

Kissing the feet of your heterosexual partner is "kink". Kissing the lips of your homosexual partner is "kink". Kissing the lips of your married heterosexual partner is "good ole family values". Any discrepancies we can see here?

I double-checked the OP, and nothing written there has any "kink" element at all...except for those confused between what constitutes kink and what constitutes a relationship dynamic. There are definite issues to address with the way the mother went about this situation (particularly if she went out of her way to make her dynamic with the OP some tutorial/show for her daughters), but crying wolf on the antiquated "kink exposure" topic detracts from the pertinent issues.

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RE: Is it right for daughters - 1/7/2010 11:57:04 AM

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its the idea of men being there to serve women that is an issue, just like any other bigotry is

Considering that the way it seems to have been presented by the mother is that it should be a blanket way of life (irrelevant of an individual's consent), I agree.

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RE: Is it right for daughters - 1/7/2010 11:58:35 AM

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Are BDSM such a horrible thing that we can not let children see the non sexual aspects of it like kissing feet or wearing a collar? To me that sound a bit like saying BDSM is something dirty one should hide away.

And plenty of its practitioners feel that way. Illogical yet true.

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RE: Is it right for daughters - 1/7/2010 1:59:52 PM

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I didn't relizes this thread would be such a hard topic. I realize the basis of opinions are on lack of information.

As Lockit already pointed out. You knew quite well what you were doing.

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The instilling of Female Supremacy is based on the little one's social skills with the boys of her age breaking her heart. The older one was involved with young me with very little ambition\ motivation. Their idea was to get what they can and move to the next girl.

Gee, I can't help but wonder whether or not these young men were "breaking her heart" because her "social skills" are that every man should be catering to her every wish.

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The dish was a larger than usual bowl, and I ate at the table with utensils with the family.

Yet you felt a need to present it as your "slave dish."

As Lockit has already said, you should be ashamed of yourself. It would seem that both you and your "wonderful" dominant are both poor role models for those girls and should get some counseling to learn how to communicate not only with each other, but especially for you, with the outside world.

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RE: Is it right for daughters - 1/7/2010 2:19:26 PM

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As Lockit already pointed out. You knew quite well what you were doing.

If he knew

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should get some counseling to learn how to communicate not only with each other, but especially for you, with the outside world.

Then he wouldn't need counseling,

To be fair, he was probably pissed off and was venting, we have all done it. I don't think that the particulars of the individual mitigates the validity of the initial question, once the personal details are removed that is.

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RE: Is it right for daughters - 1/7/2010 2:25:38 PM

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So a guy comes in and slander's a woman, accuses her of some very awful things because he is venting and it's all good because he brought a good topic? He lied somewhere in his story, because of pain or anger and slant's public opinion and then decides to waltz in and claim it isn't so bad because he makes up with her? And all we seem to care about is the topic?

What is wrong with this picture?

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RE: Is it right for daughters - 1/7/2010 2:47:06 PM

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So a guy comes in and slander's a woman, accuses her of some very awful things because he is venting and it's all good because he brought a good topic? He lied somewhere in his story, because of pain or anger and slant's public opinion and then decides to waltz in and claim it isn't so bad because he makes up with her? And all we seem to care about is the topic?

What is wrong with this picture?

I don't generally give strangers on the internet much credit, who knows maybe the whole thing is made up, maybe it is not real. The topic could turn into a mass of people focusing on the poster themselves, though what good would it do? What affect will you have to that persons life? Or you can make the most of a bad situation, ignore the idiocy or conjecture or whatever has caused his change in story, talk about the problems with the idea behind the op. turning this thread into what a million threads on a million sites turn into, a personal issue with a stranger on the internet sucking any value out of the thread at all seems likely I dont really mind what people choose to do either way, but my decision would be to ignore him.

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RE: Is it right for daughters - 1/7/2010 2:53:39 PM

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People do make mistakes and say things they don't often mean and often this happens when they are feeling upset. If this person writing the thread was venting and framed things in a negative light, he should be forgiven. Who hasn't said things they wanted to take back? There are worse things people can do in this world.

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RE: Is it right for daughters - 1/7/2010 3:02:21 PM

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I don't see him humbly asking for forgiveness after admitting what he has done. He's deflecting as if it was all a misunderstanding. So in my book... he deserves nothing... And next time they fight... he could be here doing the same thing. Of couse fewer will fall for his antic's.

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RE: Is it right for daughters - 1/7/2010 3:06:39 PM

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Well, you can forgive him on your own accord. Forgiveness releases anger in you.

Not *you* personally. Forgive me, I mean "you" in a general way.

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