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AquaticSub -> RE: training (12/23/2009 9:49:50 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady My point, using the two of you as an example (which I hope you didn't mind) was that for a relationship to be successful, everyone involved needs to learn what makes the other happy. Feel free. I tend to make ourselves into an example enough. [:D] quote: Obviously, you and Valyraen have managed to do that very well. As you said, many subs might think that it is "topping from the bottom," but I think if someone wants to they can make just about anything seem to be topping from the bottom. I definately agree with that sentiment. I've seen it over-used to the point where I really don't have a lot of respect for the term anymore. quote: It seems that even though that learning curve is on both sides, the more popular view is that the bottom should never be "teaching" the top. Doesn't matter that it has to happen for the relationship to work in some shape or form, we have to call it something different. That seems to be the popular view athough I loan out my ass with a relative degree of frequency to inexperienced tops and, overall, I would say they have been very appreciative of my feedback and advice. In ways I can understand why bottoms don't want to have to teach the top. It can take away from the romance (not the roses and wine kind of romance) of the dynamic. It's never really bothered me though. In fact, it never occured to me that it might bother other people till I ran into people who were complaining about it!

Aswad -> RE: training (12/25/2009 12:30:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady You train your animals, you don't train people. Of course you do. Every time you interact with one. You choose how to respond to them. Feedback affects behavior, and the only question is whether or not you are going to consciously direct the feedback you give people, or let it be random. I choose to reinforce desireable behavior in the world around me, and to discourage undesireable behavior. I choose to try to brighten the day of people whose mood will affect others. In this way, I shape the world I live in every day, and train the people around me to be better citizens. Incidentally, speciesism is kind of silly. People are animals, too. Just a different kind of animal, s'all. Health, al-Aswad.

osf -> RE: training (12/25/2009 12:38:02 PM)
quote: Incidentally, speciesism is kind of silly. People are animals, too. Just a different kind of animal, s'all. actually we're apes

leadership527 -> RE: training (12/25/2009 2:13:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: osf can we come up with a different concept than train/training? Well, WE cannot because I happen to like the concept of training... not as it's normally thought of by most people, but I have an internally consistent and reasonable definition that works for me. Now, if YOU want a different concept, then knock yourself out.

Aswad -> RE: training (12/25/2009 9:43:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: osf actually we're apes Actually, you're an ape, I'm an aspie. Or something. Who cares. Health, al-Aswad.

SirTaskMaster1 -> RE: training (12/25/2009 11:50:17 PM)
Why come up with a different concept? Training is conditioning. We train our subs, no two ways about it. We reward for desired behavior and punish for undesired behavior. I have trained My slave to answer questions more clearly, to not make assumptions, to not top from the bottom, to ask questions instead of assume, how to obey properly, etc etc. Why would we need a different concept? My slave is a grown woman and there were many things she could not do as far as behavior. Training has shaped her nicely.

osf -> RE: training (12/26/2009 6:41:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SirTaskMaster1 Why come up with a different concept? Training is conditioning. We train our subs, no two ways about it. We reward for desired behavior and punish for undesired behavior. I have trained My slave to answer questions more clearly, to not make assumptions, to not top from the bottom, to ask questions instead of assume, how to obey properly, etc etc. Why would we need a different concept? My slave is a grown woman and there were many things she could not do as far as behavior. Training has shaped her nicely. it's just that i think training has been misused and overused so i thought a new term could be thought off to be used till that too became over and misused lol

Acer49 -> RE: training (12/26/2009 9:37:11 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: osf can we come up with a different concept than train/training? Dogs need to be trained, not people. Don't make a major production out of it, it is not rocket science. simply show or them what you desire and go from there

kittykat45 -> RE: training (12/26/2009 6:15:38 PM)
I have been told so many different things about training but for me i dont understand how taking a person and making them have so many orgasms as possible is training or punishment can someone please explain to me about things please

osf -> RE: training (12/26/2009 6:19:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kittykat45 I have been told so many different things about training but for me i dont understand how taking a person and making them have so many orgasms as possible is training or punishment can someone please explain to me about things please is this online?

QuirkyAnne -> RE: training (12/26/2009 10:10:22 PM)
Advising, coaching, developing, enlightening, explaining, instructing, guiding, indoctrinating, informing, initiating, schooling. Pick one. Anne

osf -> RE: training (12/26/2009 10:14:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: QuirkyAnne Advising, coaching, developing, enlightening, explaining, instructing, guiding, indoctrinating, informing, initiating, schooling. Pick one. Anne i'd rather bash her till she does what i want, so lets call it bashing

QuirkyAnne -> RE: training (12/26/2009 10:48:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: osf i'd rather bash her till she does what i want, so lets call it bashing Are you planning on telling her what you want her to do first, or do you just plan on letting the fists fly and hope she picks up on your wishes telepathically? Anne

osf -> RE: training (12/27/2009 7:20:04 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: QuirkyAnne quote: ORIGINAL: osf i'd rather bash her till she does what i want, so lets call it bashing Are you planning on telling her what you want her to do first, or do you just plan on letting the fists fly and hope she picks up on your wishes telepathically? Anne that's a great fantasy but my method is to delve into her reasons for being/wanting to see if there's something there to work with the most important thing i want to know is will she go to the cops

Aswad -> RE: training (12/27/2009 11:01:15 AM)
Statistically speaking, she probably won't. That doesn't necessarily make it all that legal, though. Move to the middle east with her or something if that's your deal. No western nation state recognizes an individual's right to submit to everything. Health, al-Aswad.

QuirkyAnne -> RE: training (12/27/2009 12:29:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: osf quote: ORIGINAL: QuirkyAnne quote: ORIGINAL: osf i'd rather bash her till she does what i want, so lets call it bashing Are you planning on telling her what you want her to do first, or do you just plan on letting the fists fly and hope she picks up on your wishes telepathically? Anne that's a great fantasy but my method is to delve into her reasons for being/wanting to see if there's something there to work with the most important thing i want to know is will she go to the cops As I said, are you planning on telling her what to do first, or is the whole goal of your search for a sub to find one who will agree to be your personal punching bag, and upon reaching that agreement, beginning a daily regimen of wailing on her like a crazed gorilla? Anne

osf -> RE: training (12/27/2009 12:45:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: QuirkyAnne quote: ORIGINAL: osf quote: ORIGINAL: QuirkyAnne quote: ORIGINAL: osf i'd rather bash her till she does what i want, so lets call it bashing Are you planning on telling her what you want her to do first, or do you just plan on letting the fists fly and hope she picks up on your wishes telepathically? Anne that's a great fantasy but my method is to delve into her reasons for being/wanting to see if there's something there to work with the most important thing i want to know is will she go to the cops As I said, are you planning on telling her what to do first, or is the whole goal of your search for a sub to find one who will agree to be your personal punching bag, and upon reaching that agreement, beginning a daily regimen of wailing on her like a crazed gorilla? Anne now that you mention it, hmmmmmm

QuirkyAnne -> RE: training (12/27/2009 1:36:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: osf now that you mention it, hmmmmmm What... You hadn't thought of this before deciding that you wanted a woman to abuse and BBQ? Anne

osf -> RE: training (12/27/2009 1:37:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: QuirkyAnne quote: ORIGINAL: osf now that you mention it, hmmmmmm What... You hadn't thought of this before deciding that you wanted a woman to abuse and BBQ? Anne bbq too? you're getting better and better wanna see my dolcett collection?

QuirkyAnne -> RE: training (12/27/2009 3:21:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: osf bbq too? you're getting better and better wanna see my dolcett collection? No. I'd like to see just one intelligent and well thought out response from you as opposed to your usual glib responses which dodge serious questions. Anne

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