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masterlink65 -> RE: training (1/15/2010 8:46:23 AM)

that is why we have webster around



mnottertail -> RE: training (1/15/2010 8:48:26 AM)

Danny Boy is dead. The language is alive. Shit's gonna happen, it ain't a codex.

Claudius Caesar



juliaoceania -> RE: training (1/15/2010 8:56:54 AM)

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ORIGINAL: masterlink65

that is why we have webster around


Is that the best dictionary you could think of?

There are better and more authoritative dictionaries after all...

And then there is the little problem of those who make up words to fit new concepts, or bend old ones... I  suppose we should flog those people (some of whom I know personally)



MasterAramis -> RE: training (1/15/2010 8:59:33 AM)

Such a broad opening post, I guess it is no wonder there are 144 replies thus far. However I do agree with Masterlink that the word leaves little in the nature of the definition. However the mechanics of it vary greatly between Master to Master, or in the examples he used, job to job. Naturally this is okay. We are all different and have unique needs.

My question to the OP is why you feel the need to change it? What prompted the question?

Aramis



masterlink65 -> RE: training (1/15/2010 9:06:29 AM)

well,,, webster is kind of the industry standard for how many decades now?



juliaoceania -> RE: training (1/15/2010 9:09:12 AM)

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ORIGINAL: masterlink65

well,,, webster is kind of the industry standard for how many decades now?


I refer you to a new world of words

http://www.oed.com/

The definitive source for wordcrafting and understanding



MasterAramis -> RE: training (1/15/2010 9:18:28 AM)

I think the disucssion as to which dictionary is best, the English one or the American English one is something of a new post no?

Aramis



juliaoceania -> RE: training (1/15/2010 9:26:08 AM)

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ORIGINAL: MasterAramis

I think the disucssion as to which dictionary is best, the English one or the American English one is something of a new post no?

Aramis


I was responding to a request... if you feel the need to post a thread about it, knock yourself out.



sexyred1 -> RE: training (1/15/2010 9:33:40 AM)


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ORIGINAL: ranja

Manipulate
... sadly the word has a bad name... 'cos it is mostly associated with underhand subs


slight hijack: there are underhanded Doms who manipulate as well. Manipulation crosses all sexes, vanilla or not.

Carry on!



MasterAramis -> RE: training (1/15/2010 9:37:45 AM)

LOL! No, and he really wasn't making a request. At least that is my opinion. I believe the word here is facetious. Naturally he can correct me if I am wrong.

Aramis



juliaoceania -> RE: training (1/15/2010 9:44:29 AM)

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ORIGINAL: MasterAramis

LOL! No, and he really wasn't making a request. At least that is my opinion. I believe the word here is facetious. Naturally he can correct me if I am wrong.

Aramis


I really do not care if he was being facetious. I do not care if you want me to start a new thread....

And if you are trying to create more drama... well carry on!

Or if you are trying to prevent a "hijack".... you seem to be taking part in one... kinda ironic.



MasterAramis -> RE: training (1/15/2010 9:45:42 AM)

Oh boy, gotta have the last word! Okay you caught me in a good mood go ahead. It the OP responds to my question, then I will jump back into the fray!

Aramis.



osf -> RE: training (1/15/2010 10:03:06 AM)

quote:

My question to the OP is why you feel the need to change it? What prompted the question?


i was thinking about training and what is really happening

and thinking of other words to describe training to see if i couldn't get another perspective about it

sometimes if you think about things using other words you may gain new insights



LillyoftheVally -> RE: training (1/15/2010 10:07:08 AM)


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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

People change the meanings of words all the time. It annoys me sometimes too, but language is always evolving. I appreciate the conscious conversation about what people mean in what terms they use rather than just interjecting a word believing everyone has the same concept on what a terms means... because that is rarely true in this world


Its how English is what it is today, if words were not allowed to evolve then we would have a far different language, far less words.

masterlink, have you ever used the word slave in a bdsm context? Or maybe the word gay? Those are just some pretty obvious ones that everyone is aware of, but thats what happens with our language, its a progression. The english used in america has differences to the english used in engald, we can't very easily be language nazis.

Also a side note I agree with julia that OED is a far more prestigious dictionary.



osf -> RE: training (1/15/2010 10:10:51 AM)

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juliaoceania -> RE: training (1/15/2010 10:21:35 AM)

quote:

i was thinking about training and what is really happening

and thinking of other words to describe training to see if i couldn't get another perspective about it

sometimes if you think about things using other words you may gain new insights


That is the wisest thing I have ever read from you, although I have only been reading you for a couple of days



MasterAramis -> RE: training (1/15/2010 10:25:27 AM)

I think I understand what it is you are trying to accomplish, but I am not sure if there is another way to look at it. My slave is a professional dancer (ballet), she trains to stay proficient in her craft. I am a technology professional and I have to train in new technologies every year.

There have been comments on here regarding the fact that training should not be applied to people but only to animals. I wholeheartedly disagree. People are trained to do this or that every day. That is how we grow. Perhaps if people are having a hard time with the word, maybe substituting it with one that is similar, how about "instruct"?

People have bandied the definition of the word "training" and the reality is I don't believe this word "training" has evolved to mean something else, at least not yet. I do concur that words can change over time but I fail to see it here in this case.

As it relates to the Dictionary debate, the beauty behind Webster's dictionary is that it is based on the American English language. Which means the word color is not spelled colour. While the Oxford version is perhaps much older and perhaps more inclusive, that probably is reflective of its age.

Being a Connecticut person I like Webster's dictionary. But I am digressing. What I am trying to say here is that if you look up the word in either one, (both are fine works) I would be hard pressed to believe that there is such a variation between the two.

Aramis




osf -> RE: training (1/15/2010 10:27:07 AM)

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That is the wisest thing I have ever read from you, although I have only been reading you for a couple of days


sometimes i slip and sound intelligent

for more stupidity see my journal



juliaoceania -> RE: training (1/15/2010 10:27:42 AM)

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ORIGINAL: osf

quote:

My question to the OP is why you feel the need to change it? What prompted the question?


i was thinking about training and what is really happening

and thinking of other words to describe training to see if i couldn't get another perspective about it

sometimes if you think about things using other words you may gain new insights


Discipline... from the word disciple



LillyoftheVally -> RE: training (1/15/2010 10:33:43 AM)


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ORIGINAL: MasterAramis

People have bandied the definition of the word "training" and the reality is I don't believe this word "training" has evolved to mean something else, at least not yet. I do concur that words can change over time but I fail to see it here in this case.



I do not think that the word training has changed, but I think that it is a word that is far too harsh for use in a relationship. I work on training logs where I work, they are formal and a great way to mark progress, training is organised and implemented to make sure that the person can do the job. If the mark falls bellow a certain percentage then they fail, I just think when you are talking about a relationship between two people you need something with more room for error. Thats a totally personal thing, some words just set me on edge and thats one of them. I agree that the word hasn't changed meaning

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As it relates to the Dictionary debate, the beauty behind Webster's dictionary is that it is based on the American English language. Which means the word color is not spelled colour. While the Oxford version is perhaps much older and perhaps more inclusive, that probably is reflective of its age.



The colour example is not a sign that it shows its age, its a sign that it shows the word that we use in englad. Just like realise is spelled with an s no matter how many times my bloody laptop tries to tell me its with a z



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