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RE: wiitwd - 12/22/2009 1:24:07 PM

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wiitwd is understood more or less, the question i have is why do we do what we do, specifically regarding submissives.

like the others have said - we dont 'do' submission. like we dont 'do' being human. we just are what we are.

part two is what keeps you going during those periods when you just don't fucking feel like it. i know true subbies never have those periods but have yet to meet that kind of true subbie

i certainly have those moments. what has got me through?
a) if i didnt, what would be the point in being in a Ds or Ms relationship
b) i am happier pleasing than displeasing - even if it is an inner struggle sometimes, even that struggle has its satisfaction elements
c) to renaig on my part of the relationship would be letting myself down
d) to renaig on my part would be letting my Dominant partner down.
e) ultimately its down to me to submit. he cant make me submit - if i start exercising that level of choice i am undermining the relationship, why would i want to do that when it fulfills me.
f) punishment is bad
g) losing a great relationship is worse.

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RE: wiitwd - 12/22/2009 1:44:21 PM

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g) losing a great relationship is worse.

the realization that you may loose something of great value because of present actions

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RE: wiitwd - 12/22/2009 1:51:58 PM

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g) losing a great relationship is worse.

the realization that you may loose something of great value because of present actions

ultimately yes. if the behaviour isnt or cant be recitified and it undermines the whole structure of the Ds or Ms what other course would there be if it creates an untennable empass.

if the sub refuses to submit and just cant be fucked to make the effort where does that leave the Dominant.

some would find a way for sure, others would end the relationship.

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RE: wiitwd - 12/22/2009 2:26:19 PM

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Others have already answered very eloquently and very much in line with how I feel, so I second what others have already said. I submit because that’s who I am with my boyfriend. I’ve never not submitted to him; he brings it out in me. I desperately want to please him. When I know that my actions have pleased him, I feel calm and peaceful and fulfilled. My submission has deepened as we’ve been together, but there’s never been a time when I didn’t submit to him.

There have been times when I have struggled to submit to him. Not because I didn’t want to submit but because I didn’t know how to, and I think that’s an important distinction. I never want to or don’t want to submit—it has nothing to do with my mood or whim. It’s who I am with him. Not feeling like submitting would be like not feeling like being 5’3”. Yeah, I’d like to be taller, but I’m 5’3” and that’s just the way it is.

It doesn’t mean I’m always graceful or perky about it. I get cranky, tired, stressed out, etc. but there’s never a lack of desire to submit.

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RE: wiitwd - 12/22/2009 3:03:57 PM

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When I don't feel like it? I do it anyway. I don't always feel like going to work everyday either but I do it. I don't feel like cleaning my house. I do it anyway.

I do things I don't feel like doing them because

A. Someone has to do them or it simply will never get done.

B. The consequence is worse than actually not taking care of whatever is supposed to be done.

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RE: wiitwd - 12/22/2009 4:13:08 PM

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wiitwd is understood more or less, the question i have is why do we do what we do, specifically regarding submissives.

part two is what keeps you going during those periods when you just don't fucking feel like it. i know true subbies never have those periods but have yet to meet that kind of true subbie

Ever wonder why true submissives shy away from you ?

Psstt The clue is in the last paragraph you posted.

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RE: wiitwd - 12/22/2009 4:20:43 PM

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wiitwd is understood more or less, the question i have is why do we do what we do, specifically regarding submissives.

part two is what keeps you going during those periods when you just don't fucking feel like it. i know true subbies never have those periods but have yet to meet that kind of true subbie

Ever wonder why true submissives shy away from you ?

Psstt The clue is in the last paragraph you posted.

contrary to what you think, they don't shy away from me

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RE: wiitwd - 12/22/2009 4:27:57 PM

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contrary to what you think, they don't shy away from me

Saying you have "yet to meet one" implies they do.

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RE: wiitwd - 12/22/2009 4:32:16 PM

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contrary to what you think, they don't shy away from me

Saying you have "yet to meet one" implies they do.

you totally misunderstood

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RE: wiitwd - 12/22/2009 4:42:11 PM

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wiitwd is understood more or less, the question i have is why do we do what we do, specifically regarding submissives.

part two is what keeps you going during those periods when you just don't fucking feel like it. i know true subbies never have those periods but have yet to meet that kind of true subbie

Ever wonder why true submissives shy away from you ?

Psstt The clue is in the last paragraph you posted.

Is it cause all the true subbies are kept in cages 24/7 by the true masters who were trained in secret European lairs?

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RE: wiitwd - 12/22/2009 4:48:09 PM

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i've never met a submissive that wasn't human

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RE: wiitwd - 12/22/2009 4:48:55 PM

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you totally misunderstood

Whenever questioned you either say someone has totally misunderstood, it was a joke, it wasnt personal. If you have so much trouble being understood why not make your posts less obscure ?

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RE: wiitwd - 12/22/2009 4:50:13 PM

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Don't feel like what? Don't feel like submitting or phrased another way, feel like disobeying him?

There has not been one single instance in the last five years where I have wanted to disobey him. I may have not wanted to do what he has instructed me to do, but I have not wanted to disobey. The only options are to do what I am told or to end the relationship. That is a pretty strong motivator to do what I don't really want to do.

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RE: wiitwd - 12/22/2009 4:52:27 PM

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you totally misunderstood

Whenever questioned you either say someone has totally misunderstood, it was a joke, it wasnt personal. If you have so much trouble being understood why not make your posts less obscure ?

quote what you talking about and i'll explain

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RE: wiitwd - 12/22/2009 4:54:33 PM

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I may have not wanted to do what he has instructed me to do, but I have not wanted to disobey. The only options are to do what I am told or to end the relationship. That is a pretty strong motivator to do what I don't really want to do.

precisely what i was saying, the times when the spirit was less than thrilled, what kept you going

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RE: wiitwd - 12/22/2009 4:59:13 PM

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you totally misunderstood

Whenever questioned you either say someone has totally misunderstood, it was a joke, it wasnt personal. If you have so much trouble being understood why not make your posts less obscure ?

quote what you talking about and i'll explain

Telling Lockit she was a man. Then when pulled up on it claiming it was a joke. I could list more examples that I have read, and if I have noticed, then the female submissives have too. It is kind of like attacking your target audience, and wondering why they wont come to see the show.

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RE: wiitwd - 12/22/2009 5:01:19 PM

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sense you didn't do as i asked and get the quotes i have nothing more to say on the subject

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RE: wiitwd - 12/22/2009 5:04:21 PM

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sense you didn't do as i asked and get the quotes i have nothing more to say on the subject

Ah, so you you dont wish to explain your remarks to Lockit then. My comment in that regard was clear enough.

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RE: wiitwd - 12/22/2009 5:06:28 PM

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get the quote and thread and number and i'll review it, is that simple enough for you?

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RE: wiitwd - 12/22/2009 5:11:55 PM

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This is another one of those things where common sense prevails. For those who claim they never "don't feel like it," sorry but I have to call bullshit on that one. We all have moments in life where "we just don't fucking feel like it." I don't care whether it is a morning where we slept poorly and don't want to go to work, don't want to go to the store for bread and milk, cook dinner or whatever. It doesn't mean that we don't still meet our obligations....go to work, cook dinner, go to the store. There is a huge difference between "feeling like it" and "doing it anyway."

As DesFip says though, it doesn't make either less submissive or less dominant. We are who we are. For those who would like to say they really do always feel like it, enjoy your delusional life, because no one "feels like" doing all the stuff they have to do all the time. That goes for both sides of the kneel. As living, breathing, people, we all have those moments of just being tired, drained, etc. We do what we need to do, we do what we are supposed to do. We may even manage to do it with a smile on our face. Maybe even be glad to have forced our tired or sick ass out of bed to do it. But it doesn't change that we didn't want to at the moment.

When people are in a relationship and love each other though, we don't have times when we just don't "feel" like loving the person we have devoted our life to.

Here, here.

There are things that i do for my Master even though i don't want to. Last night i slept very badly because of a cold i'm getting, so when He called this morning and asked that i have breakfast ready for Him, i really didn't feel like getting out of bed, but i did it anyway. There are other things i do for Him that go 100% against my nature and everything i was raised to believe, but i do it anyway. And, to tell the truth, it makes Him feel more in control and more dominant knowing i'm doing it against my will, for Him then if i did it blindly, no questions asked.

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