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RE: How would you react? - 2/11/2010 12:35:19 PM   
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I semi get what NZ might be saying or at part of what he's trying to say. Because my first reaction to the first post was 'Wait, what?' It was a combination of vague and having some specifics I wouldn't find myself in. Also the question stated didn't ask what kind of request it was, so I had no idea if it was innocuous or something, like, trying to break a hard limit. So I had no idea what to respond with other than 'Communicate?'.

That said, I do agree dude was kinda out there in his reaction.

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RE: How would you react? - 2/11/2010 2:16:21 PM   
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ORIGINAL: allthatjaz

What is the point in trying to deeply analyze a post and come up with a whole heap of well thought out other possible alternative scenarios ?

You can't do anything on here except take people at face value. One can sit and twist someone elses story all day long but whats the point? where does it get you? and how insulting to the op. No wonder new members are wary about posting on here...Geez


Not always, it depends on the post in my opinion. Generally I don't like pandering to someone and validating them when i don't know what I am validating. Also you can gauge serial posters too and take things in different directions there.

In relation to the OP, firstly I would wonder why you blindly followed at all, then I would wonder what he asked, then I would wonder how you communicated, then I would wonder why you need to ask a vague leading question to people on the internet. Without knowing things like that then I wouldn't know where to start with the initial post.

Seeing your posts afterwards it seems like you need some support to back up how you feel, I can also see that you have got it here, and because I don't feel i know enough to judge the actual situation I won't add to it.

The only real thing I can say is that most if not all of us s-types have been told by someone that we aren't really submissive, its pulled out by people because they know that it hurts massively right away. Anyone who says it to you really isn't worth your time.

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RE: How would you react? - 2/11/2010 2:27:25 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: allthatjaz

What is the point in trying to deeply analyze a post and come up with a whole heap of well thought out other possible alternative scenarios ?

You can't do anything on here except take people at face value. One can sit and twist someone elses story all day long but whats the point? where does it get you? and how insulting to the op. No wonder new members are wary about posting on here...Geez



Maybe if less of them were concerned with disingenuous posts made to elicit a reaction rather than address a problem. Seems to be the new black to concoct a story and see who takes the bait. (I'm not referring to this OP)
 
Then again a lot of these are old posters recycling themselves, so you have a point about the genuinely new member.

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RE: How would you react? - 2/11/2010 6:02:59 PM   
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i would look at myself first. and i would ask myself why, she asked why. the i may even ask her why she hesitated. 

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RE: How would you react? - 2/11/2010 7:29:05 PM   
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ORIGINAL: chicagoswitch

Today, you asked her to do something and she hesitated, she questioned you.  How do you respond?


Of course I would grab her by the hair and slam her on her knees... wait... had a Ross moment...

I would be very wound up in what is going on to bring the hesitation. This would be a huge red flag for me and I would work diligently to discover the issue and resolve it.

If that didn't work I would mail her to Ron.


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RE: How would you react? - 2/11/2010 8:36:32 PM   
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How much are we loving the word "disingenuous". It seems to appear in every thread these days.

OP your date is so cheap is it Jefff? Seriously major loser it sounds like you have on your hands, a big bossy temper tantrum baby, yuck. Ger off!

Focus I love what you said "At the risk of buying into your tiresome word games..."

Ron you have mail.



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RE: How would you react? - 2/11/2010 8:47:17 PM   
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Why am I cheap?...... canadian to u.s., I should be huge!

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RE: How would you react? - 2/11/2010 8:54:35 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Jeffff

Why am I cheap?...... canadian to u.s., I should be huge!


*Looks down:

Yeah but you arent! KIDDING!!!

Actually teh Beaver dollar is pretty well equal now isnt it?

< Message edited by heartcream -- 2/11/2010 9:53:08 PM >


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RE: How would you react? - 2/11/2010 9:00:12 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: EbonyWood

quote:

ORIGINAL: allthatjaz

What is the point in trying to deeply analyze a post and come up with a whole heap of well thought out other possible alternative scenarios ?


Maybe if less of them were concerned with disingenuous posts made to elicit a reaction rather than address a problem.



Well said.
S&M are corrrect in that none of us can really know the truth here.

But the original post and followup sounds amazingly like a Lifetime melodrama.

"A woman is enjoying a blissful relationship, devoting herself to her man. Then suddenly without warning, FOR NO REASON...(dark foreboding music) He lashes out irrationally, wounding her with harsh and unprovoked words, then turns silent and shuts her out emotionally."

Well maybe. But really, is this how most relationships go? One person totally blameless, one person totally evil?

Her post didn't have any real question- the two parties are painted in such wildly contrasting colors of black and white, good and evil, the "question" was loaded, the answer pre-ordained. As EW suggests, this was an attempt to gain agreement and validation, not a serious question to be answered.


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RE: How would you react? - 2/11/2010 10:12:52 PM   
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I hate these cliffhangers.  Its like Dallas all over again.

Chicagoswitch, did you cave?  Did you kiss and make up?  Did he ever cough up a few bucks?   Will the shark repellant save Batman? 


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RE: How would you react? - 2/11/2010 10:27:18 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: NihilusZero

quote:

ORIGINAL: chicagoswitch

Today, you asked her to do something and she hesitated, she questioned you.  How do you respond?

Trust is a two-way street. Presumably, this whole time of happy relationship was one that also fostered your trust in his decisions and commands, yes?

So why did you hesitate? What does "she questioned" mean? She made a comment that seemed to call into question the honor of my motivations? That wouldn't go over well. She was confused or unsure about the task required and requested the chance to discuss it? That would prompt a sit-down talk.

As it stands, you've intentionally written a 'preview of coming attractions' thread designed to build the attractiveness of your past behavior in order to shed a tinted light onto what was likely a mistake on your part (I am not sure of this, but that seems like the most likely reason someone would build the story and question in the way you have).


Blah...blah...blah.

There is a much larger picture here that you have an apparently difficult time understanding.

A large part of being in any type of relationship is the ability to be intuitive to your partners feelings.  Just because something is not orated does not mean that it is not being felt or relevant.

If silence is always a sign of condoning an activity we would never have coups, uprisings or so many arguments.  Sometimes enough is simply enough.

Most people realize when they are pulling something over on another and everyone usually recognizes when they are getting the short end of the stick.  Silence does not change those facts.  The built up animosity and feelings of being slighted often lead to an event where emotions tend to boil over to the point where nothing is salvageable.

I think a big part in our responsibility as a Dom is to be able to recognize those thoughts that go unspoken.  Many subs have such a strong desire to please and avoid confrontation that they tend to let things go unsaid and build up.  It is simply an overly  naive approach to think that silence always means acceptance.

If I owned any NZ points I would cash them in now....Their value is plummeting.

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RE: How would you react? - 2/11/2010 10:53:50 PM   
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ORIGINAL: WinsomeDefiance

I hate these cliffhangers.  Its like Dallas all over again.

Chicagoswitch, did you cave?  Did you kiss and make up?  Did he ever cough up a few bucks?   Will the shark repellant save Batman? 




Will Winnie get head? Uh oh yea from Eeyore.

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RE: How would you react? - 2/12/2010 5:54:42 AM   
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Ok, I will end the cliffhanger.  I did not kiss (or suck) and make up.  I have not initiated contact and have spent the last few weeks being selfish and focusing on myself.  I took a vacation, am going to the gym everyday and trying to lead a healthy lifestyle.  I am not saying I am over it, but I will not go back to it. 

Domiguy- thanks for the understanding and for showing the kind and sensitive (yes, sensitive) side I enjoyed so much when we met.  I hope I have not ruined your reputation here on the boards. 

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RE: How would you react? - 2/12/2010 6:12:55 AM   
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Jolly good show!

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RE: How would you react? - 2/12/2010 1:00:10 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: chicagoswitch

Ok, I will end the cliffhanger.  I did not kiss (or suck) and make up.  I have not initiated contact and have spent the last few weeks being selfish and focusing on myself.  I took a vacation, am going to the gym everyday and trying to lead a healthy lifestyle.  I am not saying I am over it, but I will not go back to it. 

Domiguy- thanks for the understanding and for showing the kind and sensitive (yes, sensitive) side I enjoyed so much when we met.  I hope I have not ruined your reputation here on the boards. 



Good for you!

What some people seem to either be ignorant of or just not pay any attention to is that sometimes things will happen just as you described. If someone is always getting their own way, things run very smoothly and all is good. At the first sign that they might not get their way (as in someone saying they can't afford something or hesitate), all hell breaks loose.

I think too often some people are too busy gazing at their own presumed image of perfection and spouting nonsense they are clueless about the realities of life.

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RE: How would you react? - 2/12/2010 1:58:13 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: domiguy

quote:

ORIGINAL: NihilusZero

quote:

ORIGINAL: chicagoswitch

Today, you asked her to do something and she hesitated, she questioned you.  How do you respond?

Trust is a two-way street. Presumably, this whole time of happy relationship was one that also fostered your trust in his decisions and commands, yes?

So why did you hesitate? What does "she questioned" mean? She made a comment that seemed to call into question the honor of my motivations? That wouldn't go over well. She was confused or unsure about the task required and requested the chance to discuss it? That would prompt a sit-down talk.

As it stands, you've intentionally written a 'preview of coming attractions' thread designed to build the attractiveness of your past behavior in order to shed a tinted light onto what was likely a mistake on your part (I am not sure of this, but that seems like the most likely reason someone would build the story and question in the way you have).


Blah...blah...blah.

There is a much larger picture here that you have an apparently difficult time understanding.

A large part of being in any type of relationship is the ability to be intuitive to your partners feelings.  Just because something is not orated does not mean that it is not being felt or relevant.

If silence is always a sign of condoning an activity we would never have coups, uprisings or so many arguments.  Sometimes enough is simply enough.

Most people realize when they are pulling something over on another and everyone usually recognizes when they are getting the short end of the stick.  Silence does not change those facts.  The built up animosity and feelings of being slighted often lead to an event where emotions tend to boil over to the point where nothing is salvageable.

I think a big part in our responsibility as a Dom is to be able to recognize those thoughts that go unspoken.  Many subs have such a strong desire to please and avoid confrontation that they tend to let things go unsaid and build up.  It is simply an overly  naive approach to think that silence always means acceptance.

If I owned any NZ points I would cash them in now....Their value is plummeting.


DomiGuy both you an NZ are out to lunch. He's at an Italian Resturant and You're at the Speedy "Texas Hots Hot Dog Stand". The OP in the mean time is at the "Outback Steak House" trying to figure out why her Master is at the "Itailian Resturant" while wishing she was at the "Texas Hots Hot Dog stand". But let's not talk about the "Outback Steak House".

As it is, she can probally only afford to eat at the Texas Hots Hot dog stand, because she's been paying for all the Meals for Master at the Itialian Resturant. She can barely afford the "Outback Steak House".

Fuck it, I'll say it. He's a Free Loader, Expecting for somebody Else to Flip for Bill type of Guy, he's taken her for granted and just assumes certain things will go a certain way. Even though those things have never been talked about.

Oh my, how dare anybody call into question the motives and intentions of any DOM, else face the "Wrath of DOM". Hell, as a Dominant I rather enjoy when somebody calls into Question my motives and intentions. It shows me that they have brain and a mind of their of their own. That's something worth having around. What good is another brain indentical to my own?

In terms of preview of Coming Attractions... she looks at the menu at the "Outback Steakhouse" realizes she has to leave the joint and make a change. She get's up and leaves and apologizes and saves face. Headed for the "Texas Hots Hot Dog" joint. Another possible thing that might happen is that while she's reading the Menu, she thinks about how Greedy she is being for Dining Alone, Get her ass up and hikes over to the "Itailian Joint" sits down with her Master... then pulls out her "Master Card" (pun intended) to pay for everything again. Debt is the american way. Ummm wonder if her Master works at AIG and got a heafty bonus for this last year? (pondering, if I'm gonna piss anybody off with this post).





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RE: How would you react? - 2/12/2010 2:00:07 PM   
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RE: How would you react? - 2/12/2010 2:11:04 PM   
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RE: How would you react? - 2/12/2010 2:13:10 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: domiguy

quote:

ORIGINAL: NihilusZero

quote:

ORIGINAL: chicagoswitch

Today, you asked her to do something and she hesitated, she questioned you.  How do you respond?

Trust is a two-way street. Presumably, this whole time of happy relationship was one that also fostered your trust in his decisions and commands, yes?

So why did you hesitate? What does "she questioned" mean? She made a comment that seemed to call into question the honor of my motivations? That wouldn't go over well. She was confused or unsure about the task required and requested the chance to discuss it? That would prompt a sit-down talk.

As it stands, you've intentionally written a 'preview of coming attractions' thread designed to build the attractiveness of your past behavior in order to shed a tinted light onto what was likely a mistake on your part (I am not sure of this, but that seems like the most likely reason someone would build the story and question in the way you have).


Blah...blah...blah.

There is a much larger picture here that you have an apparently difficult time understanding.

A large part of being in any type of relationship is the ability to be intuitive to your partners feelings.  Just because something is not orated does not mean that it is not being felt or relevant.

If silence is always a sign of condoning an activity we would never have coups, uprisings or so many arguments.  Sometimes enough is simply enough.

Most people realize when they are pulling something over on another and everyone usually recognizes when they are getting the short end of the stick.  Silence does not change those facts.  The built up animosity and feelings of being slighted often lead to an event where emotions tend to boil over to the point where nothing is salvageable.

I think a big part in our responsibility as a Dom is to be able to recognize those thoughts that go unspoken.  Many subs have such a strong desire to please and avoid confrontation that they tend to let things go unsaid and build up.  It is simply an overly  naive approach to think that silence always means acceptance.

If I owned any NZ points I would cash them in now....Their value is plummeting.


OMG!!

Ok, who killed Domi and put in this smart, well-spoken, thoughtful poster?

Erm...not saying you weren't all those things before Domi, but they were hidden under gash and stuff...

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RE: How would you react? - 2/12/2010 3:30:55 PM   
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OMG!!

Ok, who killed Domi and put in this smart, well-spoken, thoughtful poster?

Erm...not saying you weren't all those things before Domi, but they were hidden under gash and stuff...


He's sneaky like that. I remember the first time I saw this side of him, I was totally blown away. I'm convinced that he's an intentional smart-ass, which is why when he stops and says something serious. It shocks people and get's a clear message across.

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