Rhodes85
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If I see two guys going at it and one is six six weighing in at 300 lbs and the other is five ten weighing in at 135 lbs, my money's going on the big guy. That is why we have weigh ins at boxing matches..... because its a HUGE advantage.
Being realistic, boxing is not fighting. Boxing is boxing. Boxing has rules that are very different from an actual fight and are quite constraining in that respect. One of the first principles taught in hand to hand combat is to use your oponents own size and strength against them.
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In this case, my original post pointed out that the guy had options. He did not need to punch her. What he did was reprehensible, made more so because of her gender. No, he did not need to hit her. A woman slapping a man is not adequate reason for him to punch her.
I'm not saying he needed to, or even should have hit her, as there was no actual threat. What I meant was that she should not haul off and hit him and not expect a similar response. I do not condone hitting a woman without a very good reason, i'm simply saying that she should expect to get treated the same way she treats others. Which in this case, in hitting someone, its not unreasonable to expect him to hit back.
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The original post points out that in the end, the woman was bloodied and the man unscathed. So, yeah, he escalated the violence from a slap to a punch.
Well in fairness the fact that she was bloodied and he was not is more to do with the fact that she did not expect nor defend herself against getting hit back. In other situations there are many times where one person is untouched and the other in lying on the floor. Its nothing to do with gender. Whether it was a punch of a slap matters little. She hit him and he hit her back. He didn't escalate the situation, he merely responded to it. Males are much less likely to slap someone than they are to punch them.
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a guy walks into a sex club that caters to femdom kink wearing a schoolboy outfit. Its not a stretch to assume he is kind of looking for domination of some stripe or color.
I see your point and I agree, but she made assumptions instead of finding out what sort of domination he was looking for. As was pointed out before, who know how he might have responded, he could have gone completely off the deep end at getting yelled at or slapped. He didn't, but you never know what could have happened.
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As for your fighting advice, I don't know your background. I will say though that most of what you say is great in theory, and always applicable in Hollywood. In real life.... when a 96 pound guy goes up against a 200 pound guy, the 96 pounder loses. When two guys attack one, the one loses. Ten years of study in karate can account for fifty pounds of difference in a fight. Six years of karate will get your ass kicked in a real fight (I know, its not that way in Hollywood). In Hollywood, any woman can kick any man's ass. In real life, it just doesn't work that way. Even in karate tournaments, people are classed by size and weight.
My background is military hand to hand combat training, knife fighting techniques, some judo and jujitsu and a great deal of additional training from bouncers and enforcers. Not the nicest people but they know what they're doing. Hollywood has nothing to do with it. Just because one guy is 96 pounds and the other is 200 does not mean the 96 pound guy is going to lose. When two guys attack one and the one guy is trained to defend himself properly he stands a good chance of winning. Soldiers for example are specifically trained to deal with such situations. They're not as hopeless as you seem to think. Not two months ago I watched a guy that isn't more than 150lb take out two blowup boy types, armed and twice his size in less than 30 seconds. You should have seen the look on his girlfriends face. Ironically he ended up with a job offer because of that. Heh, go figure. My point is simple. Knowing what you are doing makes a huge difference. Karate is fine in a fair fight, but it has its limits. Again, size and strength do not count as much as agility, this isn't boxing. Though strength is useful for breaking certain holds.
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But if you want to win a fight, a real fight, taking a couple years of karate lessons isn't going to help much. Spend that time pumping iron and eating steaks and get some bulk on you and it will go a lot further in a real fight
Until your opponent pulls a gun or knife and shoots you in the face or stabs you. Quite correct, karate doesn't help. Nothing i've been talking about has anything to do with karate.
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Another thing about all this woo-shoo stuff. I know that the military teaches a certain amount of martial arts to troops (mostly to build confidence) and that people make a ton of money teaching woo-shoo to kids who think they are going to learn to beat up the school bully with it. In real life, though, it isn't the panacea lots of guys think it is.
They teach a considerable amount depending on the service and which military you're referring to. While it does build confidence, what they teach isn't so much designed to fight as it is to outright kill or disable your opponent. Military training isn't the same thing they're teaching 10 year olds at the local dojo.
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In Hollywood, any woman can kick any man's ass
Thats a little sexist. I can think of a few women I know I wouldn't dare take a swing at. Women are just as capable of winning a fight as men are.
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Speed and agility, in an actual fight, are not of much use once some guy has you slammed up against a wall and is bashing your skull into the concrete.
Speed and agility are what prevent that from happening in the first place. If you ended up in that situation its unlikely you knew what you were doing anyway.
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The Saracens were big on speed and agility in the crusades.... and they never won a battle against the heavily armored crusaders unless they outnumbered them about fifteen to one. Even then, they frequently lost.
Thats a little out of context. Crusaders frequently wore plate armor which is not easy to penetrate even at close range the Saracens wore lighter armor and usually did not have the appropriate weapons for use against that sort of armor. The fact that the Crusaders were also better led (for the most part) counts for alot as well. In this case they should have used their superior speed to outmaneuver and outflank, if not surround, their opponents - rather than carrying out full on head to head fights. Though that goes against the pitched battles that practically made up all of medieval warfare. Now, Saladin....theres a man who knew the value of such tactics and how to exploit weaknesses in the Crusaders capabilities.
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Finally, and I say this because you are a man who appears to be a decent sort, it is NOT okay to hit a woman. If she has a gun or even a knife, then, well all bets are off. If she is some amazonian monster, then maybe. Aside from that, no, only a coward hits a woman (unless its consensual).
I never said it was ok to outright hit a woman. At least not unless you are doing so in self defense. Though the same could be said about a woman hitting a man.
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