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RE: Naughty Mistress!! - 1/26/2010 4:01:45 PM

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So a lady smacks a guy... should he pull out a gun and shoot her? There is a time when one goes too far Loki.

I see no gun. She called me a name. I called her a name. She doesn't want to be called a name, she should not call names. Period. It's really really painfully simple.

They are both just words. That's all. No one has pulled a gun here. She 'hit' me with a name, I 'hit' her back. Simple.

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RE: Naughty Mistress!! - 1/26/2010 4:03:06 PM

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Loki... you aren't going to see reason here. So... talk to yourself. I am sure few at this point are listening anyway.

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RE: Naughty Mistress!! - 1/26/2010 4:04:37 PM

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Loki... you aren't going to see reason here. So... talk to yourself. I am sure few at this point are listening anyway.

I could say the same to you. While you saw both sides of the incident in question, you're showing that in a similar situation, you'd react counter to what you claimed. Here we have a woman who called me a name. Rather than jump her shit, you jump mine for calling her one back. It's sad to see your hypocrisy so soon.

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RE: Naughty Mistress!! - 1/26/2010 4:05:05 PM

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Lockit - he is a troll. He doesn't want to converse. He has no interest in intelligent discussion. His modus operandi is to: make a seemingly intelligent comment; to hook a poster that way; then to disparage said poster's response; and to blow all out on her (it's always a her).

He has a problem with women because of his mother. He said so himself. In the meantime, instead of getting psychiatric care, he haunts and trolls these boards in a sad attempt to work out his problems.

Women of these boards: Ignore him!!!

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RE: Naughty Mistress!! - 1/26/2010 4:07:26 PM

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Lockit - he is a troll. He doesn't want to converse. He has no interest in intelligent discussion. His modus operandi is to: make a seemingly intelligent comment; to hook a poster that way; then to disparage said poster's response; and to blow all out on her (it's always a her).

He has a problem with women because of his mother. He said so himself. In the meantime, instead of getting psychiatric care, he haunts and trolls these boards in a sad attempt to work out his problems.

Women of these boards: Ignore him!!!

You continue to demonstrate your illiteracy. I've stated more than once that my mother is the only woman I can trust. Shows what you know, doesn't it? I know you think you're being witty and smart for blaming my mother, but you really just make yourself look like you really are -- stupid.

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RE: Naughty Mistress!! - 1/26/2010 4:12:33 PM

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Loki, as you seem to be unaware of the Terms of Service here is a quote:

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RE: Naughty Mistress!! - 1/26/2010 4:18:23 PM

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Loki, as you seem to be unaware of the Terms of Service here is a quote:

Spiffy. Now direct your comment to those who would benefit from such information, such as the one who started the flame war by calling me a pest.

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RE: Naughty Mistress!! - 1/26/2010 4:26:00 PM

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I recall in another thread how the Ladies here discussed the option of not baiting those who insist on making these threads less than they are capable of being. I think we should lead by example. By not feeding into the negative energy, perhaps more positive energy can be resurrected.

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RE: Naughty Mistress!! - 1/26/2010 4:31:41 PM

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I recall in another thread how the Ladies here discussed the option of not baiting those who insist on making these threads less than they are capable of being. I think we should lead by example. By not feeding into the negative energy, perhaps more positive energy can be resurrected.

The only problem with that is that it's some of the 'ladies' who began to create the negative energy.

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RE: Naughty Mistress!! - 1/27/2010 5:05:50 AM

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I recall in another thread how the Ladies here discussed the option of not baiting those who insist on making these threads less than they are capable of being. I think we should lead by example. By not feeding into the negative energy, perhaps more positive energy can be resurrected.

Recently I've seen a few of these types of posts instructing people how they should respond. I think it's a backlash from the boards having a new vision of letting people police themselves.

While I think these posts are well intentioned and could even possibly be helpful, I also feel that we need to let people have their natural reactions and not stiffle themselves for the sake of keeping this place all peaceful.

I'm all for being the bigger person, but I won't have someone come around and deliberately twist my words around simply for the sake of provoking me. I won't. And if I see it, I will not be silent, but rather will nip it in the bud.

The Akasha, myself and a few others here have been followed by individuals on these boards who's Modus Operandi is to discredit us. Yesterday I had to deal with one that has been following me for months, usually simply correcting the typos in my posts but this time he took it to whole other level by literally taking words I said and making a conclusion that I said something totally different. He seems to have a selective memory and claims it was all started here on this thread. Enough is enough. I called him a pest. What else do you call someone who follows you simply to cause discord? Absolutely unprovoked might I add. I could have come up with a battery of much more colourful insults. Believe me.

We all have our own ways of dealing with this but the bottom line is that we should be able to handle little pests the way we see fit, within reason of course. And telling him to stop twisting my words around was not unreasonable. If someone did to me in real life what they did to me here, they would get the same talking to. I do not come here for strife, I come here to exchange.

The reality is, an eye for an eye will leave us blind, I agree. That was my initial reaction on this thread when I said that the man who was slapped by the woman who was absolutely out of line should have walked away and gotten the authorities to take over. However, if she followed him around slapping him every opportunity she got (which is what some of these pests do here symbolically on the boards), there comes a time when you have to strike back.

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RE: Naughty Mistress!! - 1/27/2010 5:13:38 AM

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Lockit, I was about to rip into you for twisting my words all up, and then I realized the misunderstanding. The fault here is largely mine. The post in which I spoke to the idea of “women crawling in the sewers” was in response to a post by Loki (who I took seriously at the time). Unfortunately, when I quoted her it was from a later post and my quote-box dropped off the part I was actually addressing, which was about women wanting equality. I was referring to the fact that equal rights was not about women having some right to act like juvenile men getting into “pissing contests” that would best be avoided. You can see the same point made when I refer to the example of my neighbor where a bunch of girls were about to “scrap it out” over her flirting with some other girl’s boyfriend. No, I do not believe that people fought so hard for a woman’s right to act upon the basest instincts of young men, which I equate to crawling in the sewers. Please understand also that I am not suggesting that all masculine instincts are base, just the whole thing about getting into stupid fights. I know whereof I speak, in my youth I was in more than my share and have the scars to prove it.

The quote from Loki that I referred to is as follows: “And here we have a clear case of the sexism tending toward favoring the woman no matter what. Doesn't matter if she's a woman or not. She HIT him. I know women who are in martial arts classes and can fuck someone up if they wanted to. The fact that they have a twat doesn't exempt them from getting punched back. It's about time that lesson was learned. Y'all wanted equality. Here you go. Act like a lady and get treated like one. Act like a man and don't cry when you get knocked on your ass”

My comment had no reference to a woman defending herself in a situation where defense is necessary or warranted. Nor does it refer to a situation where self-defense is truly necessary or warranted for a man. In my entire life I can say I have been in one fist-fight that I’d call somewhat warranted and probably a couple dozen or more that were all about my pride or anger. I stand by that statement and yes, people getting into fist-fights over what amounts to a pissing contest are crawling in the sewer; and no, that is not what the civil rights movement or the equal rights movement is or was about. In the case of the guy getting slapped by the woman in the bar, it was a pissing contest. He had many options available to him that did not involve escalating the violence; and yes, escalating from a slap in the face to a punch in the nose is an escalation. Had the local constabulary been called it would have been him who got hauled off to the pokey (possibly her as well). The issue here is that he had other options and hitting a woman is absolutely unwarranted. Now, had she had a gun or knife and was barring his ability to leave the situation or had three or four of them come after him from all sides, the situation might have been different. Here, though, he hit her because he was mad, not because he had no other choice.

As to women or men having the right to defend themselves where absolutely necessary, I am absolutely a supporter of the idea that people should be prepared to deal with such extreme emergencies. I spent a lot of years teaching my nieces to fight specifically for that purpose and when they had gone beyond my ability to teach them they both took martial arts training (of their own acord). Interestingly the younger one ended up engaged to a karate instructor (I really don’t know the style he uses) who is one of the kindest and gentlest of young men I know. I can assure you, he would never hit a woman. I also taught them both how to use a pistol with substantial accuracy. Sadly, both have become anti-gunners (I am an avid advocate of the right to bear arms).

As to the rest of your post about men being hit by their wives and girlfriends, my answer is simple. I am a man over six foot in height and weighing in at about 270 pounds (Over the last ten years I have watched that weight go from muscle to blubber). I have been married twice in my life and had either of my wives ever hit me, I would never have hit them back. I would, though, divorce them for it. Now that I have opted for a TPE relationship, things are different, it is a matter of consentuality. Any man who hits a woman is a coward.

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RE: Naughty Mistress!! - 1/27/2010 5:13:52 AM

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LadyAngelika, it is his MO..........easier to just ignore the babble.

Or you know...she could just choose her words more carefully. Not that I'd expect you to understand that either.

Or you know...you could just accept that there has been a misunderstanding here and move on with your life.

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RE: Naughty Mistress!! - 1/27/2010 7:28:32 AM

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Rhodes, I leave it to your perusal of my previous posts to determine whether I think people have a right to defend themselves where life or property is seriously in jeopardy. In this case, my original post pointed out that the guy had options. He did not need to punch her. What he did was reprehensible, made more so because of her gender. No, he did not need to hit her. A woman slapping a man is not adequate reason for him to punch her.

The original post points out that in the end, the woman was bloodied and the man unscathed. So, yeah, he escalated the violence from a slap to a punch. Now, let's look at the other circumstances involved.... a guy walks into a sex club that caters to femdom kink wearing a schoolboy outfit. Its not a stretch to assume he is kind of looking for domination of some stripe or color. Another poster pointed out that had the woman simply said..... "awe, have you been a naughty boy?" or some such thing, the guy might well have played into it. What the woman did was idiotic, but one can understand why she assumed he was a likely "play-partner". His life was not in jeopardy, his property was not in question. All that happened was that his pride was hurt and his anger was up.

As for your fighting advice, I don't know your background. I will say though that most of what you say is great in theory, and always applicable in Hollywood. In real life.... when a 96 pound guy goes up against a 200 pound guy, the 96 pounder loses. When two guys attack one, the one loses. Ten years of study in karate can account for fifty pounds of difference in a fight. Six years of karate will get your ass kicked in a real fight (I know, its not that way in Hollywood). In Hollywood, any woman can kick any man's ass. In real life, it just doesn't work that way. Even in karate tournaments, people are classed by size and weight.

Another thing about all this woo-shoo stuff. I know that the military teaches a certain amount of martial arts to troops (mostly to build confidence) and that people make a ton of money teaching woo-shoo to kids who think they are going to learn to beat up the school bully with it. In real life, though, it isn't the panacea lots of guys think it is. Bear in mind that in every case, barring none, when a martial army has gone to war against a conscripted one, the martial army has lost. Witness here the Samurai rebellion of the nineteenth century and the boxer rebellion of the twentieth. I am not suggesting that it isn't a great thing to learn martial arts, it is. But if you want to win a fight, a real fight, taking a couple years of karate lessons isn't going to help much. Spend that time pumping iron and eating steaks and get some bulk on you and it will go a lot further in a real fight.

Speed and agility, in an actual fight, are not of much use once some guy has you slammed up against a wall and is bashing your skull into the concrete. The Saracens were big on speed and agility in the crusades.... and they never won a battle against the heavily armored crusaders unless they outnumbered them about fifteen to one. Even then, they frequently lost.

Finally, and I say this because you are a man who appears to be a decent sort, it is NOT okay to hit a woman. If she has a gun or even a knife, then, well all bets are off. If she is some amazonian monster, then maybe. Aside from that, no, only a coward hits a woman (unless its consensual).

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RE: Naughty Mistress!! - 1/27/2010 9:21:23 AM

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Notinferior, thank you for your response and the email. I do think that things got cloudy and all mixed up in there. It's like we said, we can debate and still be okay with one another.

One thing I have to debate is that a smaller person can take down bigger people and I know this from my own experience. lol I was the tiniest person in most my schools and for most my life people thought there was something wrong becasue I was so tiny. There was... a thyroid problem that now has switched from hyperthyroid to hypothyroid.

But anyway... I was teased, poked and messed with by boys since the second grade when I grew breast that no one else had. Everyone had to touch to see if they were real or toilet paper. Becasue I was small and often the new kid... the other's thought they could do whatever they wanted. I had to teach them that that wasn't so! lol But by the age of twelve, I was still an oddity and the boys went nuts when they discovered that no one would protect me. I had to learn to protect myself and I did for over a year in this situation. There are men who still have scars from me.

These were teen's from the ages of eleven to seventeen at the time, mostly around the age of sixteen and not small guys. They learned that they could not come at me with anything less than five boys. Four would get their asses kicked. Literally. Five... I couldn't defend myself against. So, with five on an average of once a week, they would come at me and do what they wanted until they were finally caught and my parents couldn't argue what was happening and excuse my torn clothing and dirtiness from the ground where they laid me out, as a cover for being late for dinner.

So a little person can take on or out people who are bigger. I did it all the time. The one's in life that did get me were people I loved and lived with and them I could not take out unless I thought they were going to kill me. He did get a divorce though. lol I actually don't really know what it is like to only fight one person at a time, as it happened so rarely. Although being smart I did lay out twelve girls at one time... but that was chasing them from behind and then back tracking and running around to catch them as they came around a corner. The policeman looked at me... looked at them all over the ground and said... YOU did this? Yes sir I did. He and my dad had a great laugh about it. But I only resorted to that after a year of them messing with me.

It can be done.

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RE: Naughty Mistress!! - 1/27/2010 4:00:08 PM

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Finally, and I say this because you are a man who appears to be a decent sort, it is NOT okay to hit a woman. If she has a gun or even a knife, then, well all bets are off. If she is some amazonian monster, then maybe. Aside from that, no, only a coward hits a woman (unless its consensual).

After all this you still make such assertions about only a coward hitting a woman. I can only hope one day a 'woman' lays you out. Then we can all point and laugh at you for not defending yourself against a 'little woman.'

By the way, what you profess to know about martial arts is bullshit. I know a guy personally who took on multiple opponents after only 2 years of instruction and they lost, he survived. In another incident (same amount of instruction) said guy took out two other guys, one of whom was armed with a gun. So don't speak about that which you do not know.

None of that even matters when you consider what I said about my female friend who's literally half my size (about 5' nothing and a 115 lbs) and had to be pulled by THREE MEN off of one guy who sparked her anger, or the ex-husband she laid out with one shot.

People call me a sexist, but your sexism is showing badly.

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RE: Naughty Mistress!! - 1/28/2010 5:33:51 AM

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Lockit,

I won't argue with your personal experiences, I wasn't there and I sure as hell wouldn't have the guts to call you a liar. Further, my own experiences speak to similar occurrences, as exceptional matters. Audey Murphy was the most highly decorated soldier in WWII and stood about 5'8" in height. I wouldn't want to mess with him. Mohamed Ali is barely six foot tall and could easily lay me out in lavender. Every rule has an exception. However, I tend to go by the averages and norms and not be the exceptions. If I see two guys going at it and one is six six weighing in at 300 lbs and the other is five ten weighing in at 135 lbs, my money's going on the big guy. That is why we have weigh ins at boxing matches..... because its a HUGE advantage.

Funny thing though, your experience as a kid was being the little girl with the big boobs and getting attacked for it. I was the opposite. I was the big kid that everyone assumed had failed two or three grades and thus presumed to be of a low IQ. Like you, I rarely had fights on a one on one basis either, and never kids my own age. They came at me four or five at a time and always a couple to three years older. Unlike you, I didn't always win. Humiliating as it was, it taught me how to fight pretty good. Sadly, it also made me pretty angry and I spent a good share of my early twenties crawling around in the very sewer that I spoke of in my last post.

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RE: Naughty Mistress!! - 1/28/2010 6:18:22 AM

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By the way, as a matter of general interest, what I said about the martial arts is only part of the truth. I mentioned that study of martial arts is a great thing, though not the panacea people have made it into. My personal experience in it consists of a year I spent studying a sort of bastardized form of Karate-do. I worked hard at it and ultimately concluded that there are certain religious aspects to it that contrasted with my own sense of faith, so I felt compelled, reluctantly, to quit. I do, however, have several friends and acquaintances who have spent years in study of varying and sundry styles and schools and have attained good reputations in the genre. These guys are in excellent physical shape and I personally wouldn't enjoy the prospect of tangling with any one of them. How they would fare in a real fight I have no idea and really, when you get right down to it, neither do they. Part of martial arts training, a big part of it, is the conditioning and training of the mind. In other words, real martial artists aren't very likely to get involved in a fight. They have no interest in "crawling in the sewer".

Two important points here: First, had any one of these guys been involved in the situation with the "domme", they would have chuckled and walked away. Second, none would ever hit a woman (except for the situations already noted).

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RE: Naughty Mistress!! - 1/28/2010 8:43:16 AM

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Notinferior, I believe you are correct. There are situations I could get into that I wouldn't have been able to fight my way out of. I had a dad that was one solid rock. We were trained to protect ourselves because his motto was... you better not ever start a fight, but you damn well better end it. If you lost a fight or if you started one, you had to face him when you got home and believe me... no one wanted to do that! lol

I lost one fight, one on one even because the chick sat on me. Once down I could do nothing and in this case, I made the mistake of rolling with her. Now... most could kick my ass, but they would know I had been there.

You mentioned something like I went through making someone mad. Yes, many would become angry. I did not. Many would also become victims and I did not. I decided that I wasn't going to allow these guys to win and if they changed me, then they had won. I was stubborn and had the attitude that there was no way they could change me other than in the moment and I wasn't going to let them win by making me someone that I wasn't. I used that situation of many situations to build me and make me strong. If I were angry or a victim, I sure wouldn't have been strong. Not in my mind at least. It happened... I would cry and move on and I did. I then went out and helped other's who had similar wounds in life and taught them that it didn't have to be a life wound.

My points are not to brag, because self defense isn't something I would think is worthy of bragging rights and I sure as hell don't need to be tough to have something to brag about. I would rather brag about many other things in my life or about my person if I were to brag. But sometimes, attitude, luck, training, whatever... little people can be dynomite and have the attitude... whether physical or mental or emotional... that the bigger they come, the harder they fall and when needed, they make that happen.

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RE: Naughty Mistress!! - 1/28/2010 10:00:42 AM

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The Akasha, myself and a few others here have been followed by individuals on these boards who's Modus Operandi is to discredit us. Yesterday I had to deal with one that has been following me for months, usually simply correcting the typos in my posts but this time he took it to whole other level by literally taking words I said and making a conclusion that I said something totally different. .

We all have our own ways of dealing with this but the bottom line is that we should be able to handle little pests the way we see fit, within reason of course. And telling him to stop twisting my words around was not unreasonable. If someone did to me in real life what they did to me here, they would get the same talking to. I do not come here for strife, I come here to exchange.

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That you have a right to answer, I agree. However, and with all absolute respect.... the reason these individuals post here is because they have tried to get a good flame war going via email and failed. Here, they have more success because SOMEBODY is going to want to prove them wrong. They are unsinkable fish. You cannot prove them wrong. They don't "win" by proving you wrong with a logical argument, they "win" by pissing you off enough to respond. Nobody is dumb enough to take the things they say with any credibility... why lend credibility to it by answering? Proving the circular logic does nothing to discredit a loud mouth.... all a loudmouth wants is an audience. ignore them, eventually they find another way to get attention. Just chuckle at the posts, everyone else does.

I have read your stuff and the other person's, you know... what's-her-name, so has everyone else. We can all see there is a considerable gap in brain function.

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RE: Naughty Mistress!! - 1/28/2010 10:11:13 AM

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You mentioned something like I went through making someone mad. Yes, many would become angry. I did not. Many would also become victims and I did not. I decided that I wasn't going to allow these guys to win and if they changed me, then they had won. I was stubborn and had the attitude that there was no way they could change me other than in the moment and I wasn't going to let them win by making me someone that I wasn't. I used that situation of many situations to build me and make me strong. If I were angry or a victim, I sure wouldn't have been strong. Not in my mind at least. It happened... I would cry and move on and I did. I then went out and helped other's who had similar wounds in life and taught them that it didn't have to be a life wound.

We all get there, or most of us do. It just took me about twenty years to figure it out. Truthfully, I don't know if the experience changed me or if I would have been the way I was anyway. I do know that I was an angry guy in my youth, maybe naturally so or maybe because of the experiences that made me so. I think the only reason I never ended up in legal trouble was that I had a few rules I lived by: Take nothing you don't own, hurt no innocent people and never hit a woman (girl) would be some that topped the list.

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