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Forced bi as a must?! - 3/24/2006 10:24:52 AM

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I was just wondering how many dommes wouldn never even take a sub into consideration if a forced bi is his "hard limit"?

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RE: Forced bi as a must?! - 3/24/2006 10:27:52 AM

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i sincerely hope not or i would have to stop my search right here and now.

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RE: Forced bi as a must?! - 3/24/2006 10:34:03 AM

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I was just wondering how many dommes wouldn never even take a sub into consideration if a forced bi is his "hard limit"?

Why would I want to force someone to be bisexual when there are enough bisexuals around that I might share interests in?

I'm not getting the appeal. Seems like unnecessary work.

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RE: Forced bi as a must?! - 3/24/2006 10:37:48 AM

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I was just wondering how many dommes wouldn never even take a sub into consideration if a forced bi is his "hard limit"?

Depends on the reasons behind it. I would not consider a homophobic male as a submissive.

I would consent to agreeing not to have him engage in sexual behavior with another male. However, he can expect to be around other males, both dominant and submissive, and engaging in play (with me) in front of other males (for example at a play party) or serving other males in my home (for example serving at table at a dinner party).

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RE: Forced bi as a must?! - 3/24/2006 10:47:24 AM

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Depends on the reasons behind it. I would not consider a homophobic male as a submissive.

I would consent to agreeing not to have him engage in sexual behavior with another male. However, he can expect to be around other males, both dominant and submissive, and engaging in play (with me) in front of other males (for example at a play party) or serving other males in my home (for example serving at table at a dinner party).

that's quite understandable...what I meant was related only to sexual contacts with other males, serving meals is something else

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RE: Forced bi as a must?! - 3/24/2006 10:50:17 AM

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Being a Domme who has had her slave participate in forced bisexuality in the past I can say that it is important to me as a form of submission. While lending my slave to another woman could be exciting to him, lending him to a man is quite different for him. I think there is still a certain sense of taboo among males (at least the ones that I know) about male on male relations.

So in relation to the OP I think that I would consider it when choosing a sub, but I dont think I would automatically disqualify them as a candidate. But on the other hand, I would also consider a bisexual sub in the same way since forced bisexuality wouldnt be an activity in that case either.

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RE: Forced bi as a must?! - 3/24/2006 11:21:04 AM

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A healthy relationship, be it lifestyle or otherwise, never "forces" anyone to be anything other than what they choose. On the flip side, if someone feels they need to be "forced", such as forced bi or forced sissyfication, they need to examine themselves. Most are merely wanting someone to give them permission to be themselves because they feel constrained by societal or moral beliefs. We shouldn't need another's permission.

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RE: Forced bi as a must?! - 3/24/2006 11:24:18 AM

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Bi isn't something I choose and I didn't look for a submissive who chose it either----forced or otherwise.

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RE: Forced bi as a must?! - 3/24/2006 12:12:50 PM

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The type of long-term D/s relationship I expect to have includes some male-to-male interaction of a sexual nature... sometimes. However, I would bypass someone who considers himself to be bi-sexual, as to Me, 'bi'sexual' means being fully attracted to both genders, like one who would date either a male or Female. I want any male interaction by My submissive to be at My direction, with the goal to please Me, not for his sexual excitement. His excitement should come from My pleasure.

I do not think of it as 'forced bi' per se, because if it is not a hard limit... it is no more 'forced' than forcing someone into handcuffs. Sure, many males have bi tendencies (which is fine with Me), and some look to 'forced bi' as permission to fulfill a desire he chooses to believe he doesn't have... but to others, the desire to please is the motivator... and that's the type of male I prefer.

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RE: Forced bi as a must?! - 3/24/2006 12:14:53 PM

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This is a good question as I have noticed that some Dommes specifically seek that in there profiles. I choose not to engage in that activity & wouldn't contact those Dommes anyways. I have however served as Ms. Marwood has described & I have no problem wih that.

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RE: Forced bi as a must?! - 3/24/2006 12:57:37 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: MsSonnetMarwood

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I was just wondering how many dommes wouldn never even take a sub into consideration if a forced bi is his "hard limit"?

Depends on the reasons behind it. I would not consider a homophobic male as a submissive.

I would consent to agreeing not to have him engage in sexual behavior with another male. However, he can expect to be around other males, both dominant and submissive, and engaging in play (with me) in front of other males (for example at a play party) or serving other males in my home (for example serving at table at a dinner party).

I don't consider myself homophobic as I'm of a live and let live mind-set. But forced Bi is a hard limit for me. I want no sexual interaction with another male, and that would include eating another males cum.

In "play" with other males? Sure.
Submitting to a Dom at my Domme's command? No problem?

What attraction is in this for you Domme's that like forcing a straight male into homosexual acts? To me that's akin to requiring the chopping off of an arm as an act of submission.

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RE: Forced bi as a must?! - 3/24/2006 5:03:32 PM

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ORIGINAL: TeeGO

What attraction is in this for you Domme's that like forcing a straight male into homosexual acts? To me that's akin to requiring the chopping off of an arm as an act of submission.

Many Dommes and submissives find cuckold relationships to be what they desire, and, this so-called 'forced bi' is often present in this type of relationship. Again 'forcing a straight male into homosexual acts' is not necessarily what's going on here. Do you know how many 'straight' males are seeking cuckold relationships? I am certain it's far more common than those seeking to have an arm chopped off.

'Forced-bi', if expected or accepted by both parties, is not forced at all. To Me, the attraction is in the fact that the submissive would 'allow' the unthinkable to take place, and the bond would only increase. Sure, it's not right for everyone, but I thought I'd shed some light on your question.

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RE: Forced bi as a must?! - 3/24/2006 5:31:23 PM

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ORIGINAL: MistressLorelei
'Forced-bi', if expected or accepted by both parties, is not forced at all. To Me, the attraction is in the fact that the submissive would 'allow' the unthinkable to take place, and the bond would only increase. Sure, it's not right for everyone, but I thought I'd shed some light on your question.

Thank you for the ilumination. I do have one point, I don't see that cuckholding and forced bi are a tag team event. Sure I can see them together, but I would think cuckholding without any forced bi would be far more likely than with. Of course that's merely my opinion from observation and in no way am I trying to make that sound like a fact.

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RE: Forced bi as a must?! - 3/24/2006 8:38:46 PM

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It's been My experience that along with a cuckhold situation, there could be, and often times, is included a "cleanup duty" of the Mistress and/or the male lover. The cuck is to clean up the Mistress of the lovers cum and then clean the Mistress' juice off the lover.

This is IMHO. I cannot speak for others and how their situations played out.

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RE: Forced bi as a must?! - 3/24/2006 8:41:40 PM

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ewwwwwwwwwwwww, i'm glad i didn't sign up for this.

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RE: Forced bi as a must?! - 3/24/2006 8:56:03 PM

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I enjoy the fantasy of forced bisexuality - it's a theme in a lot of the erotica that I enjoy writing. I agree with the idea that it isn't truly "forced." I don't enjoy taking what isn't freely given to me. But for me, I'm very content to leave certain things in the realm of fantasy verses requiring them in reality.

What is the attraction for me? It's the thought of a man doing something "difficult" just because it pleases me. And... I love men... The more male bodies in my fantasies, the better!

Why am I not interested in it in reality? Because my personal preference is heterosexual monogamy and because I believe there are possible social issues - such as the fact that a man who has ever had sex with another man is not allowed to donate blood to the American Red Cross - that I am not willing to compromise in another person, especially if we are not committed to each other for life.

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RE: Forced bi as a must?! - 3/24/2006 9:26:25 PM

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I am not looking for bi males per say, but I think that is some one in my stewardship for a long enough period of time would hopefully become very comfortable trusting me, as they have watched their fears melted and disolved one by one.

The sex in my opinion is not about an erotic exchange, it is about submission, it is about finding that place in your heart where you give everything all of your fear, all of your beliefs to the one you serve.

So to answer your question yes I would have deep reservations about taking on a sub that is unyielding and unwilling to discuss the potential of yielding at some point.

But having said that I think I also have to say that I have known many who did bi scenes when they hated the idea, and were shaking with fear, and had an exquisite catharsis when it was over, having reached the deepest place of their surrender and trust imaginable....

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RE: Forced bi as a must?! - 3/24/2006 9:44:12 PM

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I don't have any inclination to share so bi is irrelevant.

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RE: Forced bi as a must?! - 3/24/2006 11:27:26 PM

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First of all, no means no and limits are to be respected. There are enough bi and
bi-curious male subs looking for new experiences with a Domme that there is no need to force the issue.

In considering a potential submissive, both the content and the context of the situation would have to be considered. Does the sub wish to serve as a housekeeper or chauffer? Are his/her skills for household repairs, costume making, cooking or decorating their best asset? Or is the potential submissive looking for punishment, pain and/or bondage?

She/he would need to be comfortable around adult nudity and adult situations regarding gender identity and sexual activity. If she/he wanted a sexual relationship as well that would have to be negotiated.

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RE: Forced bi as a must?! - 3/24/2006 11:31:42 PM

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