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Do you think my master is being fair? - 3/26/2010 4:06:16 PM

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Hi
Does anyone still wonder if the punishment is proportionate to the crime or do you never question even to yourself masters discipline?

Basically I lost something, just a train travel pass, and I told master. He's hit the roof as he's says I'm careless and even though it's now turned up I'm told I'm getting punished for it. I know this will involve me bent over, spanked with his hand and then belt until I can't sit down for days. He says that if I can't sit down maybe it'll remind me to be careful with stuff. I guess I know I deserve punishment because he's told me enough times to be careful as I've lost about 3 bank cards and my train pass already this past 6 months but I just don't want my spanking? I've tried talking him round and he asked me to suggest an alternative discipline but I can't???? Do others try and negotiate out of disciplines or do you just take it without question. My spanking will be thursday night as he's away till then and I'm sure I'll cry.

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RE: Do you think my master is being fair? - 3/26/2010 4:08:02 PM

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RE: Do you think my master is being fair? - 3/26/2010 4:23:11 PM

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He became your master when you accepted his lead. If you're his slave, accept his guidance. Frankly, if you were mine, I would have added additional punishment for arguing.

I'm confused by your post here. What did you hope to accomplish with it? Additional fuel to argue again with him?

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RE: Do you think my master is being fair? - 3/26/2010 4:33:21 PM

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I'm sorry hon, but I do think that's fair. Unlike mine punishing me for having a sense of humor. You do have to learn to be responsible.

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RE: Do you think my master is being fair? - 3/26/2010 4:37:27 PM

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What does being fair have to do with it? Or in the alternative, do you think it fair that he had to spend his time on this issue and will have to spend his time punishing you for something that should have been routinely taken care of?

Is your service for his pleasure or yours?

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RE: Do you think my master is being fair? - 3/26/2010 4:38:33 PM

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Umm - you are 33 and sounding like a 17 year old.

If you talk that way with him, i imagine it gets old.

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RE: Do you think my master is being fair? - 3/26/2010 4:39:20 PM

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It's fair, and in a sense, it's also connected. There would have been comfortable sitting on the train if the pass hadn't been lost, wouldn't there? For at least a little while, the discomfort you expect to be having while riding the train will be a very good reminder not to lose things of such importance.

As to your other question, no. I do not negotiate punishments. I don't have to punish clip often, but when I do, what course of action is decided by Me.

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RE: Do you think my master is being fair? - 3/26/2010 4:39:56 PM

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Of course it's fair. You knew you were careless and had been told not to be. You made a choice. Now you'll pay the price. No sympathy here. Sorry.

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RE: Do you think my master is being fair? - 3/26/2010 4:44:56 PM

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Not 33,,,and a sense of humor is essential. But let's get back to the original topic.

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RE: Do you think my master is being fair? - 3/26/2010 4:46:21 PM

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Do you think you're being fair to him by openly questioning and doubting him in a public forum while demonstrating that you would rather listen to the opinions of strangers than what he has already said to you?

You aren't really asking for "fairness" here. You are asking "is my M-type wrong?" without really giving enough information for anyone to provide an informed opinion. If you think he is wrong perhaps you should speak respectfully and gracefully with him with your only intention to ask him to please hear you. The decision is still his.

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RE: Do you think my master is being fair? - 3/26/2010 4:46:46 PM

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Umm - you are 33 and sounding like a 17 year old.

If you talk that way with him, i imagine it gets old.

Some owners enjoy that sort of thing. If not there would be far fewer sams walking around. No?

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RE: Do you think my master is being fair? - 3/26/2010 4:49:26 PM

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I don't think loosing so much stuff will be solved with punishment
He needs to learn you how to be tidy...but ok...some only punish..and don't teach...it is the easy way.

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RE: Do you think my master is being fair? - 3/26/2010 4:53:54 PM

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Jesus Christ-WTF is fair about servitude? It ain't like a dominant is running a democracy or a popularity contest.
You fucked up. Now you have to pay the price.
Personally I agree with DS-I would have a lot more issues with your recalcitrance at this point than any problems with the original issue.

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RE: Do you think my master is being fair? - 3/26/2010 4:56:17 PM

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Sorry Muirren - i was replying to the OP and didn't hit reply. and yes, a sense of humour is VERY necessary.

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RE: Do you think my master is being fair? - 3/26/2010 5:00:04 PM

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No problem,,,I'm having one of those days,,lol

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RE: Do you think my master is being fair? - 3/26/2010 5:00:28 PM

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The question of fairness comes up frequently.

My answer is that it does not matter what I, nor anyone else thinks. Fairness is in the eyes of the beholder.
However, I would turn it back to you and ask if your master is a fair man... and if he is not then why would you decide to make such an important committment with someone who is not fair?
If he is fair then trust his decision and if he is not, then perhaps you ought to make another choice, as trust should be an integral part of the dynamic. If you don't trust him then he should not be your master.

In my experience, what is fair is not always what is equitable.

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RE: Do you think my master is being fair? - 3/26/2010 5:01:44 PM

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Does your master think that your behavior is fair?

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RE: Do you think my master is being fair? - 3/26/2010 5:14:56 PM

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Sorry, but yes, i do think it's fair that there be consequences for being so careless. Losing four important cards like that in six months? Yes, it's fair. You need to get neater and more organized and things like that will not happen. You said yourself He's told you often enough to be more careful.

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ORIGINAL: mastersslut69
Does anyone still wonder if the punishment is proportionate to the crime or do you never question even to yourself masters discipline?

i never question Master Sir's discipline, as He's let me know ahead of time what to expect if i screw up & we talked a lot about His preferred discipline style before we decided to continue together. Also i'm not allowed to complain or it will be worse yet. i pretty much know that there's a method to how He does things, and the punishment will either relate directly to the misdeed, or at least make enough of an impression on me that i will do my damndest to NOT "F" up again that way.

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ORIGINAL: mastersslut69
Basically I lost something, just a train travel pass, and I told master. He's hit the roof as he's says I'm careless and even though it's now turned up I'm told I'm getting punished for it. I know this will involve me bent over, spanked with his hand and then belt until I can't sit down for days. He says that if I can't sit down maybe it'll remind me to be careful with stuff. I guess I know I deserve punishment because he's told me enough times to be careful as I've lost about 3 bank cards and my train pass already this past 6 months but I just don't want my spanking? I've tried talking him round and he asked me to suggest an alternative discipline but I can't???? Do others try and negotiate out of disciplines or do you just take it without question. My spanking will be thursday night as he's away till then and I'm sure I'll cry.

i'm visiting Master Sir in FL next month (i'm in WA) and i think if i lost 3 bank cards and a train pass within 6 months' time after being told over and over to be careful, i would be in for a memorable punishment. Master Sir would certainly be VERY displeased with me were i to do that & He would make sure i knew it. Losing something once or twice every long time is an accident, but repeatedly and frequently does look careless. To answer another question, no, i do not try to negotiate my way out of a certain discipline. It is what it is, and if i don't like it, it is expected that i will not repeat the same behavior again. That's the whole idea.

Of course you don't want to be punished, but i'm sure the idea is to make you be more careful so you don't mess up like that again. Like "Oh crap, i don't want to be punished like that again, so i'm sure as hell not gonna screw up like that in the future!" All repetitive bad behavior has consequences. Sometimes you just have to suck it up and not whine about it.

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RE: Do you think my master is being fair? - 3/26/2010 5:30:16 PM

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Fair is immaterial. No one here is in a position to make that judgment and it's kind of tacky to ask.

But the punishment doesn't seem to be effective in preventing this sort of behavior from happening again (assuming that's the purpose of the punishment). My advice would be to accept it, and ask your master to help you come up with effective ways to help you remember these sorts of things.

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RE: Do you think my master is being fair? - 3/26/2010 6:46:32 PM

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ORIGINAL: BeIgnited

Fair is immaterial. No one here is in a position to make that judgment and it's kind of tacky to ask.

But the punishment doesn't seem to be effective in preventing this sort of behavior from happening again (assuming that's the purpose of the punishment). My advice would be to accept it, and ask your master to help you come up with effective ways to help you remember these sorts of things.

I think that the bolded portion above is really the major point here. With the OP having lost FOUR different important items in 6 months time says that she ain't learning a damn thing.

So what is the ultimate goal here? To punish her until she can't sit for a week, but still lose anything that isn't glued to her hand? Or for her to learn to be more responsible and not lose things to start with?

Punishment doesn't resolve poor behavior for everyone. When someone sees that their method of discipline isn't working, anyone with an ounce of intelligence will figure out a different method to get the point across.

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