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RE: ProDommes- what do you find as a reasonable rate? - 4/20/2010 7:30:18 AM   
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RE: ProDommes- what do you find as a reasonable rate? - 4/20/2010 8:03:28 AM   
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I'm not convinced true submissives hire pro dommes.

Actually, this is one thing that we agree on. I'm not saying it's impossible, but I think that the atmosphere of a pro-Domme session would make it difficult to evoke submission, especially in a service-oriented making-her-life-easier way. It's possible that someone who is submissive and masochistic might use a pro-Domme as a "quick fix" if he isn't dating anyone, but developing a D/s dynamic with her seems unlikely. Another possibility is that someone starts out more as a bottom, goes that route, then finds someone he can submit to later on. Personally, when I was looking, I tended to avoid men whose primary experience was with pro-Dommes. Going for a session or two, especially years before, didn't rule them out, but I felt that the ones who were more actively involved that way developed unreasonable and fantasy-based expectations or didn't fit what I was looking for in a submissive in terms of their mindset.

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RE: ProDommes- what do you find as a reasonable rate? - 4/20/2010 8:15:10 AM   
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Some subbies obviously have more money than sense
hit the lottery, Kevin?

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RE: ProDommes- what do you find as a reasonable rate? - 4/20/2010 9:52:16 AM   
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RE: ProDommes- what do you find as a reasonable rate? - 4/20/2010 3:05:05 PM   
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RE: ProDommes- what do you find as a reasonable rate? - 4/20/2010 3:13:56 PM   
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more chance of being hit by lightning. thanks anyway
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That all depends on what lottery but is mostly true at a 0.00002% chance of being hit by lightning.


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RE: ProDommes- what do you find as a reasonable rate? - 4/20/2010 3:18:13 PM   
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RE: ProDommes- what do you find as a reasonable rate? - 4/20/2010 3:28:56 PM   
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I think Kevin has a greater chance of being struck by lightning while cashing in a winning lottery ticket than of ever finding a willing partner.

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We have:

P(Lightning)=0.0000002 (according to BoiJen)
P(Irish National Lottery)=1/8,145,060 (according to wikipedia)

Therefore:

P(Lightning and Lottery)=P(Lightning)xP(Lottery)=0.0000002/8,145,060=2.45E-14 (That is, a two with 14 zeros in front of it).

Now according to Stef:
P(Kev Scoring)<P(Lightning and Lottery)

So we have:

P(Kev Scoring) < 0.00000000000000245

Poor Kev.


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RE: ProDommes- what do you find as a reasonable rate? - 4/20/2010 3:34:16 PM   
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RE: ProDommes- what do you find as a reasonable rate? - 4/20/2010 3:52:08 PM   
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P(Lightning and Lottery)=P(Lightning)xP(Lottery)=0.0000002/8,145,060=2.45E-14 (That is, a two with 14 zeros in front of it).
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P(Kev Scoring) < 0.00000000000000245

2.45E-14 should have 13 zeros to right of the decimal place, not 14. No need to make things an order of magnitude harder for the guy. It's also possible that P(Lightning) and P(Lottery) aren't independent. Just saying.

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RE: ProDommes- what do you find as a reasonable rate? - 4/20/2010 4:03:25 PM   
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ORIGINAL: shallowdeep

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ORIGINAL: VaguelyCurious

P(Lightning and Lottery)=P(Lightning)xP(Lottery)=0.0000002/8,145,060=2.45E-14 (That is, a two with 14 zeros in front of it).
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P(Kev Scoring) < 0.00000000000000245

2.45E-14 should have 13 zeros to right of the decimal place, not 14. No need to make things an order of magnitude harder for the guy. It's also possible that P(Lightning) and P(Lottery) aren't independent. Just saying.
Lol, sorry-it's midnight here. I'm normally better with scientific notation...


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RE: ProDommes- what do you find as a reasonable rate? - 4/20/2010 4:03:47 PM   
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I hear a lot of moaning from about rates, from two guys who claim they would never pay. Make of that what you will.

Kevin, you say you have self respect but continue to make an ass of yourself, kind of ironic isnt it.
Azjojoba, your comment to MissJana was not only uncalled for but cowardly, since you dont have a photo showing what a catch you are. If you took more time to read these threads you would understand that what makes a woman sexy isnt so much her looks, as her attitude. You both come across as whiney kids who dont get bought any sweets.


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I've seen some men in tighty whitey's I did admire, but they were buff and tan. You don't have it, don't flaunt it like you do!


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RE: ProDommes- what do you find as a reasonable rate? - 4/20/2010 4:05:48 PM   
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ORIGINAL: azjojoba
I'm not convinced true submissives hire pro dommes.

Actually, this is one thing that we agree on. I'm not saying it's impossible, but I think that the atmosphere of a pro-Domme session would make it difficult to evoke submission, especially in a service-oriented making-her-life-easier way. It's possible that someone who is submissive and masochistic might use a pro-Domme as a "quick fix" if he isn't dating anyone, but developing a D/s dynamic with her seems unlikely. Another possibility is that someone starts out more as a bottom, goes that route, then finds someone he can submit to later on. Personally, when I was looking, I tended to avoid men whose primary experience was with pro-Dommes. Going for a session or two, especially years before, didn't rule them out, but I felt that the ones who were more actively involved that way developed unreasonable and fantasy-based expectations or didn't fit what I was looking for in a submissive in terms of their mindset.


You and Azjojoba could indeed be right, Anda (though I'd always hesitate before invoking the idea of a 'true submissive'). The more I read threads about pro-dommes and their clients, the more I think 'this just isn't my world'. However, it's not just the atmosphere of a pro-domme session that couldn't work for me. It's the 'trade' aspect of it - the fact that it's a business relationship. I couldn't pay for a woman to dominate me any more than I could pay for a woman to be a friend to me. At some very fundamental level it refuses to make sense to me. The basic idea of a pro- D/s relationship is a dynamic-killer for me.

So, I look on the world of pro-domming very much from the outside. From that vantage point I see it as a business like any other. I can't see that the rules that govern the cost of it are any different to those that govern all other businesses. What people think they 'should' pay to avail themselves of a session with a pro-domme isn't relevant - the market decides that.






















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RE: ProDommes- what do you find as a reasonable rate? - 4/20/2010 4:48:46 PM   
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RE: ProDommes- what do you find as a reasonable rate? - 4/20/2010 5:01:15 PM   
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Are we suggesting that  a true submissive, not in a relationship, wouldnt consider paying to experience something that appealed to him. I just dont think thats true myself.


I'd certainly pay to experience a great many things that appeal to me, PS - but the very fact of paying would kill the feeling of that particular pleasure of D/s for me. But if it works for others, that's fine by me. I can get my brain around the idea, but not my feelings - if that makes sense.

Actually, so far as 'true submissive' goes - nah, I'm not going to get into that one. Firstly, we're all too different; secondly, I barely even know my own sub-nature, never mind that of any other sub. I will say, though, that in the vanilla world I've met perfectly healthy, balanced and happy men who regularly visit prostitutes with whom, I'd add, they have great relationships. I've a strong feeling similar levels of contentment are to be found in the world of pro-dommes and their clients.

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RE: ProDommes- what do you find as a reasonable rate? - 4/20/2010 5:07:41 PM   
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RE: ProDommes- what do you find as a reasonable rate? - 4/20/2010 5:34:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hey, I don't generally use the "true submissive" language. I just was agreeing that a person who is capable of submission in the right circumstances, with the right person, isn't likely to be able to build a meaningful D/s dynamic in the context of a pro-Domme session, or casual play with a stranger. I've felt submissive to one person I've played a bit more casually with, although we were considering working toward a relationship, and my submissive playpartner and I react to each other on a D/s level as well as S/M and bondage. She enjoys doing service-oriented things for me as much as she can. However, she isn't *my* submissive, and I don't have any real authority over her and her life, and we both recognise the limitations of it. So, I wouldn't claim that she is my submissive, or that we are in a D/s relationship. I think it's relatively easy for people to pay for S/M and bondage, or even maybe for the opportunity to indulge their yen for service, but I have doubts that someone can actually submit in a meaningful way in the context of a pro-Domme session. If they *are* capable of it, and they do find it fulfilling, when I was looking, I assumed that they were a poor fit for me. I'm not interested in people who are submissive to anyone with a whip, I wanted it to be based on the interaction with that specific person.

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RE: ProDommes- what do you find as a reasonable rate? - 4/20/2010 6:05:00 PM   
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My feeling is that if you want to experience x, y or z, and find someone who specialises in it, then why not pay for it. There is a difference between wanting to try out a certain aspect, and looking for a Long term relationship.


If you feel that way about D/s, or can arrange to feel that way if you don't already, then I see no reason why not.

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RE: ProDommes- what do you find as a reasonable rate? - 4/20/2010 7:08:51 PM   
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Azjojoba, your comment to MissJana was not only uncalled for but cowardly, since you dont have a photo showing what a catch you are. If you took more time to read these threads you would understand that what makes a woman sexy isnt so much her looks, as her attitude. You both come across as whiney kids who dont get bought any sweets.


Oh good lord, please don't encourage him to put his pics back up. I still need mind bleach from the last time ...

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RE: ProDommes- what do you find as a reasonable rate? - 4/20/2010 7:17:50 PM   
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lol.i understand. he gets my vagina going sometimes too. lol


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