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RE: How do you feel about wearing your collar in public? - 4/17/2010 12:27:58 AM

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... or if you have cookies in your mouth...

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RE: How do you feel about wearing your collar in public? - 4/17/2010 7:31:36 AM

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RE: How do you feel about wearing your collar in public? - 4/17/2010 8:06:33 AM

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The hypocrisy and belligerence is all yours, little man. And you have established again that you find it very hard to accept that not everybody makes the same choices as you. Yep... the one twue-way is all yours .

Getting down to your level -I know you are but what am I?

Now onto a level you can't relate to and/or appreciate...

One thing you, nor anyone could do, is point to any post denigrating a person's choice of whatever they do. Nor do I believe in "acting" for the benefit of others, especially in the company of adults (choosing to pick the chronological age of 18), especially in my own home. Nor will I let hypocritical or insults, even subtle, go by without comment. Or was "My sense of fashion is an unbreachable hard-limit" meant to be complimentary to beth's sense of fashion choice? Or was "Yepyepyep." in response to the public collar Walmart reference yet another misinterpreted example of your universal acceptance of the choice of others?

With every post, you expose yourself for what you are; your attempts at subsequent spin when called on your nonsense only dig you deeper into your hypocrisy and refusal to accept any other position but yours as right and the 'one true way'. You are reduced to attempting to insult the commentator because you identify with the commentary, and can't argue against it. Hey - it's your best ability - you have to use it

Meanwhile, do go on. I wouldn't have posted back at all, if my curiosity wasn't aroused by a few of the regular posted saying I should revisit this thread and share yet another laugh at your expense.

I'm sorry you have such a shallow life that you find a need to denigrate anyone who may be enjoying theirs. Maybe you and, as you referenced him; "my husband's complete ignorance when it comes to sartorial choices" need to get out more.

Like us; for example as I write this, I'm sitting on the deck of a fine hotel overlooking the waters of Pismo Beach enjoying some coffee brought to me by my collared slave. (Today's collar is 'buffalo turquoise' we picked up at a shop at Caesar's Forum shops in Vegas) Soon we'll venture forth for a day of Santa Barbara wine tasting followed by a dinner with 3 other couples, beth will be wearing her collar, (one may even be wearing a more 'obvious' public collar! THE HORROR!) at McClintock's.

However, do go on...when we get back tonight we may just peek in for a laugh or two.

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RE: How do you feel about wearing your collar in public? - 4/17/2010 8:11:22 AM

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Or was "My sense of fashion is an unbreachable hard-limit" meant to be complimentary to beth's sense of fashion choice?

That was directed at Beth? But... Beth's sense of style is fabulous!!! I love how she uses her body as a canvas to celebrate color and texture and humor.

Merc, just so you know, I didn't think that was at Beth at all... Maybe I'm missing the boat here, but I thought it was just a silly comment. And I might add that there are some very silly things people take seriously. Including myself. Like... if I was told to give up my sunny happy flowers... They are small but important to me. For some people fashion is. *shrugs* I guess I didn't know there was even a loop that I was not in.

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RE: How do you feel about wearing your collar in public? - 4/17/2010 1:04:43 PM

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I have worn all of my collars in public at some point or another.....I have a dog collar that has Tinkerbell on it(the actual charecter not the name~ tink was a nick that Master had given me),a chain with a dog tag that was engraved with my sub name and registration number.....
More recently the eternity collar that he bought for me last year
Ive worn them everywhere...even to the kids school which gets me funny looks but nothing else

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RE: How do you feel about wearing your collar in public? - 4/17/2010 1:37:28 PM

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to be understanding and forgiving." - Dale Carnegie

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RE: How do you feel about wearing your collar in public? - 4/17/2010 2:04:25 PM

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ORIGINAL: sunshinemiss

And I might add that there are some very silly things people take seriously. Including myself. Like... if I was told to give up my sunny happy flowers... They are small but important to me. For some people fashion is. *shrugs* I guess I didn't know there was even a loop that I was not in.

Best to all,
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There are even 'silly' hard limits. Silly to everyone except the person they are important to. Like my good down pillows. They're mine and he can't use them, because they work for me. There are a dozen other pillows he can choose from, but he can't have mine.

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RE: How do you feel about wearing your collar in public? - 4/17/2010 3:05:28 PM

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Arguing's a lot harder when you're horizontal...

So, are you saying that Merc, Bear, and kitnsol need to get horizontal to stop arguing?

Icarys, I'm glad you found the one you were looking for, but this lady does some *gorgeous* work, though they probably aren't as functional for actual bondage: http://www.etsy.com/listing/36668751/filigree-slave-collar-locking http://www.etsy.com/listing/41648537/crimson-teardrop-fancy-slave-collar

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RE: How do you feel about wearing your collar in public? - 4/17/2010 6:08:47 PM

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Arguing's a lot harder when you're horizontal...

So, are you saying that Merc, Bear, and kitnsol need to get horizontal to stop arguing?

Icarys, I'm glad you found the one you were looking for, but this lady does some *gorgeous* work, though they probably aren't as functional for actual bondage: http://www.etsy.com/listing/36668751/filigree-slave-collar-locking http://www.etsy.com/listing/41648537/crimson-teardrop-fancy-slave-collar

Thank you for the links.

Those are really nicely done, creatively speaking but don't do it for me. Those on the other site really weren't functional either. Since to me they're used as a wedding ring or bracelet, they don't have to be all that functional.

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RE: How do you feel about wearing your collar in public? - 4/18/2010 9:42:22 AM

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Arguing's a lot harder when you're horizontal...

So, are you saying that Merc, Bear, and kitnsol need to get horizontal to stop arguing?

Icarys, I'm glad you found the one you were looking for, but this lady does some *gorgeous* work, though they probably aren't as functional for actual bondage: http://www.etsy.com/listing/36668751/filigree-slave-collar-locking http://www.etsy.com/listing/41648537/crimson-teardrop-fancy-slave-collar

Thank you for the links.

Those are really nicely done, creatively speaking but don't do it for me. Those on the other site really weren't functional either. Since to me they're used as a wedding ring or bracelet, they don't have to be all that functional.

I searched through most of what she had and did in fact find one I liked. the "Simply enslaved" one..Elegant without being over the top.

http://www.etsy.com/listing/41645861/simply-enslaved-sterling-silver-collar?ref=vl_other_2

Thanks Andalusite.

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RE: How do you feel about wearing your collar in public? - 4/18/2010 9:55:55 AM

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She is also too young to remember women's sufferage and what it means to be treated as inferior in a patriarcal society. The only inequality I'll accept is between me and my man. Having women dressed and led like dogs in public is a step backward for all of us, not a step forward for her personal freedom.

Carol and I, however, are NOT way too young to remember women's sufferage. However, I am still willing to stake out my legally acceptable place in a society. You can discuss norms and not all you want... I prefer to deal in facts which can be summarized by the written laws of the land. Carol wears her steel collar constantly and I have, upon occasion, taken her out on a leash. The rest of the world can make of it what they will. I don't see this as any different than the person tattoo'd head to toe or the person who has horns implanted in their forehead. While it is true that a healthy society maintains some norms. It is also true that a healthy society... THIS society in fact (well, this being Canada and the US), embraces diversity. There is a healthy tension between those two things.

Insofar as the argument that this harkens back to "the patriarchy"... that entire concept is a 3rd wave feminist thing which I have never bought into. Being a male myself, I choose not to engage in a nameless and faceless battle with those enemies... "men". I refuse to go down the slippery slope of things which might be mistaken for other things which might be mistaken for other things... ad infinitum. I know what my "personal freedom" is. I'd prefer if you didn't try to dictate it for me.

And Des... I too am past the point of needing to shock strangers. I do them for the sake of my own marriage. I just am willing to give other people (and myself) a little personal space for their own self-expression.

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RE: How do you feel about wearing your collar in public? - 4/18/2010 5:07:33 PM

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Many people on here have made some excellent points that I will definitely be considering. I love the diversity of opinions on this board, it always gives me so much to think about concerning my own viewpoint on the world and society in general.

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RE: How do you feel about wearing your collar in public? - 4/18/2010 7:13:12 PM

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I was a Labor and Delivery nurse. I was caring for a girl who had just had a c-section and her mother was sitting next to her stretcher talking to 'someone', responding, "yes Master, alright Master". Dude, I realized I was witnessing a slave (complete w/leather collar) speaking to her Dom and I was fascinated. Yes, if I had a Dom/Master who decided to collar me, I would wear it proudly. I thought it was really cool that she didn't try to hide her status. I wish I had asked her about it.

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RE: How do you feel about wearing your collar in public? - 4/18/2010 7:54:59 PM

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RE: How do you feel about wearing your collar in public? - 4/18/2010 7:56:43 PM

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RE: How do you feel about wearing your collar in public? - 4/18/2010 8:38:59 PM

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She is also too young to remember women's sufferage and what it means to be treated as inferior in a patriarcal society. The only inequality I'll accept is between me and my man. Having women dressed and led like dogs in public is a step backward for all of us, not a step forward for her personal freedom.

Carol and I, however, are NOT way too young to remember women's sufferage. However, I am still willing to stake out my legally acceptable place in a society. You can discuss norms and not all you want... I prefer to deal in facts which can be summarized by the written laws of the land. Carol wears her steel collar constantly and I have, upon occasion, taken her out on a leash. The rest of the world can make of it what they will. I don't see this as any different than the person tattoo'd head to toe or the person who has horns implanted in their forehead. While it is true that a healthy society maintains some norms. It is also true that a healthy society... THIS society in fact (well, this being Canada and the US), embraces diversity. There is a healthy tension between those two things.

Insofar as the argument that this harkens back to "the patriarchy"... that entire concept is a 3rd wave feminist thing which I have never bought into. Being a male myself, I choose not to engage in a nameless and faceless battle with those enemies... "men". I refuse to go down the slippery slope of things which might be mistaken for other things which might be mistaken for other things... ad infinitum. I know what my "personal freedom" is. I'd prefer if you didn't try to dictate it for me.

And Des... I too am past the point of needing to shock strangers. I do them for the sake of my own marriage. I just am willing to give other people (and myself) a little personal space for their own self-expression.

I am not opposed to diversity or personal freedom. The point of my original comment was that young people often seem to think that freedom is all about them and what they want and what makes them happy. With maturity comes wisdom and understanding that freedom does not exist without responsibility and in a civilized society that responsibility often extends beyond just ourselves. What we do with our personal freedoms in public says alot about how we value ourselves and others. You are welcome to express yourself in any manner you choose within the confines of the law. I never dictated anything of the contrary to you or anyone else. If you would take the one piece of my post that you snipped for your comments here and put it in context with my other posts in this thread, my intent would be very clear.

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RE: How do you feel about wearing your collar in public? - 4/18/2010 8:53:26 PM

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I don't wear the collar but it is cute when he does.

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RE: How do you feel about wearing your collar in public? - 4/18/2010 9:02:19 PM

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I am new to this forum/site but I have been in a 24/7 for over 13 years *just recently released* and I am a school teacher here in Sweden. I have always worn my collar everyday to work. It is no different then the teacher in the next class wearing her bullring in her nose or her hair being dyed a different colour every week. I am orginally from the usa and when I move back after school is out if and when I have another Master I will be proud and honoured to wear his collar. My collar that I had was boughten from one of the collar makers here in Sweden and it is leather with a D-ring and a bell.

*I teach in an elementary school here.*
Also, a few years ago over in the UK a bus driver would not allow a couple on the bus because she was wearing a collar and a leash and had told the couple no pets allowed. If I remember correctly the bus driver ended up losing his job over it.

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RE: How do you feel about wearing your collar in public? - 4/18/2010 9:44:54 PM

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Welcome to the forums. Earlier in this thread I posted a link to a previous thread from 2 yrs ago about the bus driver incident. We discussed it to death in these forums back then. You may find it interesting to go back and read that.

Sweden is a little more liberal and tolerant of alternative sexual lifestyles than we are here in the US, but collars worn tastefully tend to go unnoticed for the most part. It all depends on the collar and town. But being led on a leash will do more than just raise a few eyebrows outside of some major metropolitan areas here. It is a symbol that represents the subjugation of women to the vanilla in a society that highly values equality between the sexes. The fact that many of us insist on and even need an unequal power exchange with our partners is not well understood or accepted outside of our own closed community. The answer lies in education and we can't expect change overnight.

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RE: How do you feel about wearing your collar in public? - 4/18/2010 9:55:42 PM

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OK, so I went and cut & pasted all your previous posts into a notepad so I could read them with flow. What I got was that you have a much more conservative view of the united states than I do (post #66). While I am sure that there are some cities in which I'd get run out of town by sundown... or... maybe smaller towns anyway, I sincerely doubt that I'd get much of a reaction for having Carol collared AND leashed in most major metropolitan areas and an awful lot of smaller cities. I'm pondering whether our viewpoint difference reflects different places we've lived/worked or possibly different mental outlooks. Given that I've spent very little time in the south and that's quite on purpose, it might well be geographic differences. Then again, some of your statements about how you personally perceive the collar and leash (dressed and led around like dogs) would seem to indicate a differing mental outlook.

I see that you believe strongly that this is a violation of a cultural norm. And, to a degree I agree with you. But I sincerely doubt many people nowadays would see this in connection with the "subjugation of women" (post #83). Most, i suspect, would see it in terms of kink. I mean seriously, I'm about as vanilla as it comes in all manner of ways. Hell, a few years ago I wouldn't even have known that BDSM existed outside of cheap porn. And even so, a leashed woman would've been so over the top that there is no way I would've connected it to actual subjugation of women. Whatever conclusion I came to, it certainly wouldn't be that. My guess is that it would've gotten chalked up as some freaky alternative thing having something to do with sex.

You apparently also see such a display as being in bad taste (post #95). Everyone, of course, gets to have their own sense of "taste", but that everyone includes me and I don't happen to share yours. I do not happen to see Carol's collar and/or leash as either kink or fetish wear. Whatever it is that you are referring to as "common sense" is apparently not common to me.

I think I got the gist of your posts... all of them... just fine. I just don't happen to agree. And I'd have to think that at 46 for myself and 54 for Carol, we do not fit into the category of "young people".

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