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RE: Not a slave...a bratty subbie - 4/6/2006 10:01:12 AM

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On a different note from my last comment here, while I still argue that as long as it works within the confines of their relationship, it shouldn't matter one bit how someone behaves within that relationship.
BUT it's also possible that someone who self-identifies as something that's generally perceived as negative is playing off of something they've been told. I call it the "I am an a$$" reaction (it's from the play, "Much Ado About Nothing," when somebody calls another character an ass, and his reaction is to keep saying stuff like, "And let it be writ that I am an ass!"). I could easily see somebody calling someone else a bratty sub, and then the "bratty" sub latching on to it as a joke, to the point where they like identifying with that joke.
Someone once referred to a group I belonged to as "Shallow and vain." What was my reaction to this? I had t-shirts made up for us using the phrase "Shallow and vain." Fun, huh?

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RE: Not a slave...a bratty subbie - 4/6/2006 10:17:51 AM

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ORIGINAL: saltygoodness27
(it's from the play, "Much Ado About Nothing," when somebody calls another character an ass, and his reaction is to keep saying stuff like, "And let it be writ that I am an ass!").

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RE: Not a slave...a bratty subbie - 4/6/2006 2:39:37 PM

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Personally, the only label I identify with is Masochist. I am not a slave, not a submissive, not anything in between the two. When I interact with others, they know this upfront. However, I am respectful of others in how they choose to label themselves and live their lives, and I expect the same in return. Does not mean that I will get it, but I still expect it.

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RE: Not a slave...a bratty subbie - 4/6/2006 3:07:12 PM

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The problem I have with this is that definitions are evolving as quickly as the can be re-written.

I agree words are evolving, some of them, with a quick bit of research on my part i discovered that a dog has been named a dog in the English language since the Norman invasion in 1066 A.D.

The definitions for most words were researched as to definitions in common use between1413 and 1422 by order of King Henry V in order to develop Chancery Standard, which became official in the 1430’s, with the exception of the “great vowel shift” in the time of Shakespeare, during the 15th century, is basically the same form that we now refer to as Modern English.

Cool. Now I know that you can read, cut, paste and paraphrase.

The definitions for submissive; one who submits to another , slave; one who is owned by another, Master; one having authority over another, Dominant; commanding, controlling or prevailing over others, has remained virtually unchanged since then.

I do not believe that at any time I ever stated something different that this. It is other postings in this thread that have declared that these are not good enough and that there is SOOOO much more to the definitions that people who are "wrong" could never understand.

Yet you and so many others who are new wish to jump in and change the manner in which we define ourselves.

"you and so many others who are new"... Pretty presumptuous? No? You don't know me. Just how new do you think I am? All we have to go on in this place is out profiles. I have never asked that anybody change any manner of any definition. Only to have an open mind as to what "bratty" might mean. You seem to be a bit over the top....

"No transgendered woman should be called a him if she feels she better identifies as a she, no matter they be xx or xy."

Why are you referring to them as transgender if in your opinion they are really women? Doesn’t that mean you are defining them as a transgender woman instead of a natural one?

I don't really know what you point is or why this is being stated. I thought this was about what people are as defined by other people and how people define themselves. It looks as though you are only proving my opinion that my dog is a duck even if it isn't a "natural one".

"No doctor would listen to me if I told him my appendix hurt without forst seeing if my description fit the illmess."

Why not? Wouldn’t it have saved time for both of you if you had used correct terminology? What if he simply took you at your word and performed emergency surgery?

I'm glad that you aren't my doctor.

This entire thread is so highly intollerant at times it makes me wonder how bitter some people here are at the balance of society that wants to laugh them out of their villages.

This thread is not about intolerance. Yes we are a society and as such we need grounding, a basic agreement as to terminology in order to function as one.

I never said that this thread was about intolerance. Just that it is intolerant. Basic terminology is not the same thing as definitions.

Please read through my Master’s (ScooterTrash) and Mistress’s (ShiftedJewel) posts here on this thread on this subject.

I have read the posts. Point?

Now normally I never directly criticize anybody’s use of the English language but I feel that it is possible some of your angst stems from lack of instruction in Basic English, therefore;

forst is correctly spelled first
illmess is correctly spelled illness
intollerant is correctly spelled intolerant

There are also a few errors in your use of punctuation but for the moment i simply suggest before you begin instructing the general population in the correct usage and definitions of words you learn them yourself.

Wow. Interesting. I am wondering if the age you have listed in your profile is correct... I know that the impulse to correct others tends to come from an insecurity in one's own self, however, the remarks you have made seem to border on being ill-mannered. Hmmm.... Does anybody remember the definition of "brat"?

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RE: Not a slave...a bratty subbie - 4/6/2006 4:20:05 PM

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Seems this thread has lost it's focus, at least in part. The main topic from the original post was;

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ORIGINAL: ProtagonistLily

Perhaps, it's that people don't have the vocabulary to indicate exactly what they are.

While you can be what ever you want, for those of us who actually have taken BDSM from the fantasy 'what if' stage of exisiting solely on message boards to the reality phase of actually practicing in some variant of what's known as BDSM, the non-dominant women who think it's fun to brat it up are, in my opinion, not only a pain in the ass, but particularly disrespectful of the rest of us who are putting forth an effort to behave.

Since apparently defining what a "bratty submissive" is, or if it's anything, is not likely, perhaps the focus should be why this is OK, which was specifically what the OP asked.

Most who have directly commented on the topic at hand, seem to agree (I know, scary) that this behavour is out of line in public. This doesn't seem to determine if you can be a bratty sub, but it does seem to prove that it's not acceptable, at least to the majority.

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RE: Not a slave...a bratty subbie - 4/11/2006 2:57:02 PM

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I am in a relationship where I submit always. But sometimes it takes me time to process certain things. He knows how I think and react, and he gives me latitude for difficult things. Is that the same as being bratty? I don't think so, because I am not acting out on purpose.

Absolutely, positively not. Sometimes, we need time to process, and as long as you are honest in the need and the lines of communication are open, anything is possible.

I would caution you to get yourself all jammed up thinking you might have behaviors that you don't; if you are in a relationship and you are both happy and content with the way things are going, don't wonder about whether there are problems or not. Enjoy the ride hon ;)

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