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RE: A Question to Ponder - 4/24/2007 4:14:27 AM   
aishchai


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I switch because I fantisise about topping and bottoming, because I can be an aggressive bottom and a compliant top. Somehow, I also see switching as a vital pat of my eduction- if I'm going to learn to be a better top, then I (and I emphasise that I mean only me) need to experience the other side too. Likewise if I'm going to bottom better. I also seem to read the power dynamics in a way that means I often can see when the person I'm playing with might not be as into topping/bottoming for the scene as they thought they were, and we can come to a creative compromise. Having said all that, I'm not all that experienced (yet!) so my views are probably going to shift and change...

I was also wondering, do people here go through phases of sometimes being more of a top or sometimes being more of a bottom?

< Message edited by aishchai -- 4/24/2007 4:23:03 AM >

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RE: A Question to Ponder - 4/24/2007 8:34:45 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Dustyn

I don't relate myths and rumors.  I speak purely from personal experience.  To do otherwise would be a complete waste of my time, in terms of writing, and yours, in terms of reading.

I see, however, that you are more willing to engage in passive aggressiveness and mocking than you are in answering questions the way they are posed.  What I wrote was nothing more than rational discourse.  I was given mockery, sarcasm and dismissment of my thoughts.



...don't take it too hard.  Most people write me to say they skip all her posts...

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RE: A Question to Ponder - 4/24/2007 9:07:21 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Shira

Here's a thought. Maybe everyone in the world IS bisexual.
And on the second point, a dom who has never experienced submission might be able to understand it on a mental level, but true empathy is always missing.


Nice Call.  Everyone IS a bisexual switch.  Most will not admit it, act on it, or even agree.  But the philosophers of the old Orient knew it, and gave it the lables of Yin/Yang, and the beautiful symbol that has survived millenia. 

Does one need to, oh, lets say "have gay sex", to realize their
bisexuality.  No.   I think acknowledgement of the sexuality of others the same gender as oneself is sufficient, I could be wrong.

Most every Dom or Domme has experience submission, at the hands and feet of their parents.  Some accepted, some rebelled.
Some understood early that the Dom/sub roles are situational.

Does it make you feel a little sick to see a child of 3-6 years old in the Dom role with their parents?  And they are really good at it?  You know they have been practicing.

It is about the balance.  Some may need to top 99% of the time, they might be out of balance...  or maybe they are perfectly balanced in their place in the universe.  

Stick around long enough, and you'll begin to see that the most amazing tops are in a place of deep submission while topping.
Submitting to the energy generated and flowing, relaxed excitement, or controlled domination. 

maybe?







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RE: A Question to Ponder - 4/24/2007 10:18:07 AM   
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You wouldn't like what you find in my mind. It's strange and uncharted territory and quite frankly very scary!
quote:

ORIGINAL: Dustyn

I know what we need.  New terms and definitions.

"Switch" is much too broad a concept to define with a single word.

Are you either sumissively dominant or dominantly submissive?

The mind is a fun thing to poke around in at times, and I get tired of poking around in my mind, so I poke around in others' minds.


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RE: A Question to Ponder - 4/24/2007 10:26:20 AM   
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yes balance is necessary for true happiness. oh yes my ex wife was dominated by all three of her children. shes my ex because i tryed to take control and end this twisted cycle.         Love Michael

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RE: A Question to Ponder - 4/24/2007 12:24:26 PM   
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I switch becues that's who I am.  I see certain people and I immediately imagine tying them up and tourturing them.  Other people, well the thought never crosses my mind.  I tend to have more experiences of the latter than the former so most of the time I'm a submissive (and that's what I'm looking for in my main relationship) but the ability to top is still inside me.  Even if we're not in a "relationship" I only play with people I know and have a connection with.  Yea, we're not a "couple" to use vanilla labeling, but there is an emotinal connection even between friends....

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RE: A Question to Ponder - 4/24/2007 1:24:55 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Evanesce

quote:

I call myself a switch because it's easier than actually explaining all my relationship dynamics.


Ditto that, because as soon as you start trying to explain to someone who doesn't want to accept it that you're a dominant slave with masochistic leanings who hasn't got a submissive bone in her body, it invariably ends up the same way - with the declaration that you're a clueless wannabe.  It's simply not worth going to all that trouble.


May as well ditto that again. You just described me to a T as a bottom. Just 'cause I'm bein DarkOne's slut, makes me no less a Tiger.

And like RumTiger's sigfile states; "Tiger ain't just a name." To add to it, it's my one state of being.

That state of being is very much flow from one point to the next as well. I experience no "tug of war" in my mind, or my heart when it comes to what it is that I "do" as a switch, because it's a natural state of my "being."

To the OP:
quote:

Original: Dustyn

Are you a switch because it is what someone else described you as being and since you fit the generally accepted definition, you label yourself as a switch?

Or are you a switch because you haven't the drive/desire/[fill in the blank] to be either submissive or dominant?


I am not a switch because that is what someone else labeled me. It's a term I read at one point, well before I ever even came onto "the scene" for lack of a better term... Excuse that, there is a better term. Community.

Before I came into the public community, I had read somewhere, well after I already knew of my kinks, that there are three types. Dominant, submissive, switch.

When I read the rather full and descriptive definition of switch, I instantly identified, and therefore adopted the monicker, which for me, in the circle of friends that I'm a part of in the community, really carries with it no "stigma" of any sort.

I was actually surprised at the odd number of those that misunderstand it here. It's either that it [this stigma] doesn't exist in my neck of the woods, or I just wasn't seeing it for some reason, or people weren't talking about it to be respectful. Not sure, take your pick and you're probably 1/3 correct.

I can switch back and forth, without too much energy drain, though there are times, I'd just prefer to be one rather than the other. But that's me moving with my own internal energy flow more than what is dictated outside of myself.

My desires to move from one to the other are largely influenced by the relationship I have with someone. I can, within one relationship, move from Dominant to bottom and back again. I don't usually. But it's not a lack of desire to be one more than the other. It's a lack of desire to cut pieces out of my life that are essential to who I am.

I am most definitely a Dominant personality, without so much as a submissive bone in my body, that identifies as a "Switch" because I can do precisely that. Flow from one aspect of my personality to the next, based purely on the energy flow that I'm reading.

I identify as a switch, as there's no better way to describe how I am in M/s, BDSM and D/s. There are those around whom I "act" submissive, and sometimes, with the correct person, actually do submit, and those around whom I'm unquestionably dominant.

I don't identify as a switch for any other purpose, other than it's a good descriptor of my whole being, mind body and soul.

quote:

Original: artglfr

There is ONE and perhaps others "i" haven't met yet that i absolutely relate to as HER submissive. When we get together She absolutely owns me 24/7 collared, chained to the bed. She does things to me i absolutely love and adore and yes NEED.

After seeing Her I again Dominate and appreciate the submissives and show them all I have learned as "i".

There is no inner struggle. there is peace and happiness I am fulfilled.


Absolutely. See statement about DarkOne above. If I was to take a collar, Hers would be it. Due to my nature, being primarily dominant in my life, and with others, I have to decline it however. She is a switch though, so perhaps someday we'll come to an arrangement.

quote:

Original: Dustyn
It is better to live one complete life than to incomplete ones.  Neither side will be fully and completely embraced, simply because the brain, for whatever motivations lie in it, will not allow either full submission or full dominance with another person.


I also don't get where you're getting that because we fill both dominant and submissive shoes at different times that we wouldn't be living a full and complete life.

From my perspective, and this is all perspective mind you, I feel as if living experiences as both a bottom and a Top are both equally weighted for fulfilling and expanding on my experiences in life. If I had to go through life without ever feeling the kiss of the whip because I was just Dominant, or go through life without being the causal factor of a set of very red inner thighs of a girl, or experiencing being the one causing the tears streaming down her face from choking on...

You get the point. I would be missing so much out of my life. Why should I do that? Why WOULD I do that? I can't see at all, that I cannot be both, and still live ONE complete and utterly fulfilled life. Personally, I can't see how "pure" Dom's and submissives can really have a fully balanced perspective on life in general, because they don't switch.

I know I'm perfectly happy being Dominant. I also know that I'm perfectly happy being bottom. I also know that my mind will not sit still in one or the other for a very long period of time without flowing out of that state of being.

Does this mean that I can't be fully Dominant with my slaveslut? Absoutely not. ROFL! To me that's a ridiculous statement.

Does this also mean that I can't be a complete and utter slave, the needy and naughty fucktoy known as tiger`slut to my DarkOne? Absolutely not, again. Of course I can. Not submissively, perhaps, but as a bottom... An owned toy... yes... absolutely.

I will live a fully fulfilled life as a switch, and know that I've tasted the pleasures and pains of both sides of the fence, and came out of it more happy than if I had simply sat on one side, ignorant of being the other.

I also, while a relationship of a more meaningful nature might form, I don't need one to be there initially to bottom or to Top. We tend... Well, at least *I* tend to form relationships on the fly. I'll meet someone, we find each others interests, then begin to find each others sweet spot, and what comes out of it, comes out of it.

quote:

Original: SimplyV

I am what and who I am.  People either bow to me, or I bow to them (or they go on their merry little way).  You seem to be having trouble accepting what a switch is, and trying to put us in a box.  You might as well stop.  We aren't box-able.


LMAO! You preach it sister! Oh. Excellent response.

quote:

Original: Aine

People just seem to always assume that I'm just confused, or picky, which I'm sure most of you have gotten as well.



I'm not picky, or confused... Me? I'm just greedy.

quote:

Original: Shira

If switches can be labelled "confused", then people who refuse to switch can be labelled "afraid". I believe every human being has both a dominant and a submissive side, and those who chain themselves into a single role are afraid of their full potential.

I also question whether a dominant should take the life of another person into their hands if they have not experienced the reality of submission.


GMTA. I have never said it better myself. Perhaps equally impactful. But not better.

quote:

Original: aischai

I was also wondering, do people here go through phases of sometimes being more of a top or sometimes being more of a bottom?


Well, for me, as I've stated above, I'm predominantly dominant with most people in my life, even with other dominants, so that sometimes causes a butting of heads. generally speaking though, we come to compromise somewhere. Like two powerful warring countries calling a cease fire.

So when you ask that question, I'm taking you mean in a specific situation with a specific individual? Because if that is the question, I'd say absolutely. I can't speak for everyone, but there are people (more than one, but not many... Less than one hand) that I can say that I'm more inclined to be bottom towards...

Most people and most of the time I'm more inclined to be Top. I relate with being able to read the energy of a scene better due to the duality of my nature also. That's a given advantage, I believe. We have more empathy towards the opposing force (energetically speaking). So we both read Tops better, and read bottoms better.

But yes, I go through phases (with certain people, and at certain undefined times) when I'm more inclined to be bottom-ish than Top-ish. I refuse to let that affect my relations with my slave though. I own her. It will never be the other way around.

But with others, it will be, and I can see it "sticking" with certain people and in certain situations. The rest of the time, I'm just me, and I flow with the current.

Peace.

Tora.













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RE: A Question to Ponder - 4/24/2007 4:20:26 PM   
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I do not think that everyone is bisexual or that everyone is a switch, but I do think that both are a continuum rather than fixed points.  Some of us are more submissive, others more dominant,  with a fe on the extremes, being completely submissive or completely dominant. 

I also really wish that people would use these forums to do something other than attack each other.  Really, OedipusRexit, did you have something on topic to say, or do you merely use your time to insult others? Disagreeing is necessary to our world, and can be healthy, but insulting is not.

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RE: A Question to Ponder - 5/15/2007 6:16:57 AM   
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[Neither side will be fully and completely embraced, simply because the brain, for whatever motivations lie in it, will not allow either full submission or full dominance with another person[/quote]

In our daily lives power changes constantly between people we naturally adjust any time a new adult enters the mix and those relationships, much like dogs I think, I dont think we have a choice we must as social creatures continually adjust our positions in the world.

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RE: A Question to Ponder - 5/18/2007 1:11:30 AM   
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To hell with the boxes.  I'm a switch who is owned by a dominant man.  And who can imagine owning a submissive or switch.  Cause it all works for me and I refuse to be defined by others or to fit in their neat little boxes.  I am a switch becuase I need to be all of me.

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RE: A Question to Ponder - 5/18/2007 8:57:49 PM   
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I switch because I am quite literally a kitte in bed. I may start out passive, but when I get wound up I purr and growl and out come the claws. (Don't worry, no complaints on the claws yet)

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RE: A Question to Ponder - 5/18/2007 11:15:45 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Dustyn

I don't relate myths and rumors.  I speak purely from personal experience. Wonders what personal experiences you've had to "relate these truths"

To do otherwise would be a complete waste of my time, in terms of writing, and yours, in terms of reading.

I see, however, that you are more willing to engage in passive aggressiveness and mocking than you are in answering questions the way they are posed.  What I wrote was nothing more than rational discourse.  I was given mockery, sarcasm and dismissment of my thoughts.
I hardly saw passive aggressiveness.


I ditto LA all the way!

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RE: A Question to Ponder - 6/5/2007 12:53:00 PM   
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I am a switch because I am domme in my work envirnment, yet i am sub to my Boss Toad (we work together). 

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RE: A Question to Ponder - 7/16/2007 1:11:33 AM   
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When I was first asked to describe myself as Domme or sub I thought I was weird for asying I'm "switchy" but I knew I was both. Admittedly I have stronger tendancies toward sub and I will not switch my role once it is instilled. however, I still greatly enjoy being a Domme.

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RE: A Question to Ponder - 7/18/2007 2:49:40 PM   
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Going by your definition I'm a domme since I only submit to one. And my requirements for a man I was willing to contemplate submitting to were stringent. But I'm not interested in dominating. I would just rather have nothing than not have the right relationship.

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