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ORIGINAL: MrrPete

For me my "perfect" sub would be a bi-sexual switch. She would be submissive to me and Dominant to others.


Mr. Pete

Single and looking

submission doesn't mean doormat
Domination doesn't mean Tyrant

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ORIGINAL: Oumae

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ORIGINAL: GoddessDustyGold

Hard to add more to the wonderful lists already shared

I agree and will add that a nice hairy chest is a bonus.

Oumae

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ORIGINAL: DiannaVesta
ewwww hair! I like 'em shaved! NO HAIR ANY WHERE

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

Ladymorgan,

You say "the sub of My dreams thinks I am absolutely wonderful." What is it about you and what you have to offer that would make a sub feel that way? An urge to clean your home because it lighten's your load, rubbing your feet, and feeling lucky that he gets to meet your family and friends doesn't seem very inspirational to me. Rather, it strikes me as a combination of unpaid labor and social escort duties. In my world, this is a far cry from BDSM.

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ORIGINAL: pollux

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ORIGINAL: DiannaVesta

You paint the perfect picture for the sub of your dreams.

That would be roasted deli turkey on an asiago roll.  Some jalapenos, sliced roma tomatoes, green peppers, black olives, oregano, and a splash of olive oil.  Maybe a little bit of hummus.  But no taboule.  I hate that stuff.

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ORIGINAL: DelightMachine


< GROAN! >   

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ORIGINAL: LadyMorgynn

No, he and I have a history of him complaining whenever I write about what I am looking for in a D/s relationship. His perception is that because My slave won't be whipped or whatever criteria cloudboy goes by, that My slave is not getting anything out of the relationship. He does it every time, and to be honest it's getting tiresome.

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy
I would argue that this is not about my "perception" as you put it, but about the reality of how submissives are. Your ideal sub is essentially a non paid butler --- and your entire description of this sub is all about what he does for you. So, I have asked you essentially three things:
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In the history of the CMMB as I've seen it, only Veronicaofml bore any semblance to this "ideal sub" you describe. And he, by his own admission and in the eyes of others here, was not a particularly well adjusted person. (I loved him anyway, but he was full of issues.)

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

I would argue that this is not about my "perception" as you put it, but about the reality of how submissives are. Your ideal sub is essentially a non paid butler --- and your entire description of this sub is all about what he does for you. So, I have asked you essentially three things:

1. What will you do for HIM, the sub?

2. What will motivate him to worship you and enthusiastically be your unpaid butler?

3. Why would a truly service oriented person engage himself in a non paid position when he could do the exact same thing for pay while also deriving "submissive" satisifactions of service and loyalty to an employer?

If you are dealing in reality, then you must have plausible answers to these questions, and THIS is my challenge to you as a DOMME. This is far cry from me "complaining" about what you want.

In the history of the CMMB as I've seen it, only Veronicaofml bore any semblance to this "ideal sub" you describe. And he, by his own admission and in the eyes of others here, was not a particularly well adjusted person. (I loved him anyway, but he was full of issues.)

Next, it has already been discussed here that a person, DOMME or SUB, cannot get something for nothing. See:

http://www.collarchat.com/m_242482/mpage_1/key_house%252Cwork/tm.htm#242482

So, I'm just curious if you can make the argument that I and the others on that thread were wrong, and that you are right --- that such subs do exist.

Lastly, telling Linus that THE GREAT PUMPKIN doesn't exist, is not complaining. It is a challenge to Linus to pony up.

You are free to fantasize, and far be it for me to rain on your fantasies --- but if you really do expect to find a RT person --- well --- to me you're just waiting for THE GREAT PUMPKIN to rise up from the pumpkin patch.

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ORIGINAL: DiannaVesta

wow I like your list! Especially the massage- never gets tired of massage part.

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ORIGINAL: MistressLorelei

I have known submissives who would not only clean My house willingly and be honored, but would do so with their tongues if I required it. For some submissives, being allowed to do whatever would please their Dominant Females is all the submissive satisfaction they need.

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

Yes, but how long were you able to stay in a sustained relationship with such a submissive? Subs willing to come in and do whatever for 5-10 times who then bolt or disappear cannot in any way be classified as your "fantasy sub" or "ideal submissive." The question is, where is the sub who wants to be an unpaid butler, masseur, and social escort on a FT, LT basis?

You say, "For some submissives, being allowed to do whatever would please their Dominant Females is all the submissive satisfaction they need."

And I say, you are living in a DREAM WORLD if you think this is all they need. At best, this sounds like they are settling for what they can get, and they would drop you like a HOT POTATO for another DOMME who actually showed a legitimate and kinky interest in them.

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy
And I say, you are living in a DREAM WORLD if you think this is all they need. At best, this sounds like they are settling for what they can get, and they would drop you like a HOT POTATO for another DOMME who actually showed a legitimate and kinky interest in them.

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ORIGINAL: littlesarbonn

Well, as I'm not a dominant, and I don't have any snappy funny one liners...

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ORIGINAL: MistressLorelei

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

I would argue that this is not about my "perception" as you put it, but about the reality of how submissives are. Your ideal sub is essentially a non paid butler --- and your entire description of this sub is all about what he does for you. So, I have asked you essentially three things:

1. What will you do for HIM, the sub?

2. What will motivate him to worship you and enthusiastically be your unpaid butler?

3. Why would a truly service oriented person engage himself in a non paid position when he could do the exact same thing for pay while also deriving "submissive" satisifactions of service and loyalty to an employer?

If you are dealing in reality, then you must have plausible answers to these questions, and THIS is my challenge to you as a DOMME. This is far cry from me "complaining" about what you want.

In the history of the CMMB as I've seen it, only Veronicaofml bore any semblance to this "ideal sub" you describe. And he, by his own admission and in the eyes of others here, was not a particularly well adjusted person. (I loved him anyway, but he was full of issues.)

Next, it has already been discussed here that a person, DOMME or SUB, cannot get something for nothing. See:

http://www.collarchat.com/m_242482/mpage_1/key_house%252Cwork/tm.htm#242482

So, I'm just curious if you can make the argument that I and the others on that thread were wrong, and that you are right --- that such subs do exist.

Lastly, telling Linus that THE GREAT PUMPKIN doesn't exist, is not complaining. It is a challenge to Linus to pony up.

You are free to fantasize, and far be it for me to rain on your fantasies --- but if you really do expect to find a RT person --- well --- to me you're just waiting for THE GREAT PUMPKIN to rise up from the pumpkin patch.

I have known submissives who would not only clean My house willingly and be honored, but would do so with their tongues if I required it.  For some submissives, being allowed to do whatever would please their Dominant Females is all the submissive satisfaction they need.