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RE: Critical Thinking & Logical Deduction Are Becoming ... - 5/1/2010 7:27:35 PM

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LA, your speaking like this is present tense. My son is now 24 years old, long out of school and working on his college degree.

Ok. So then let me rephrase. How. What was your approach?

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RE: Critical Thinking & Logical Deduction Are Becoming ... - 5/1/2010 7:29:02 PM

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Just knew someone would come along and make all this about religion.

belladevine is notorious for not being able to even remotely understanding an OP. She is best ignored.

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RE: Critical Thinking & Logical Deduction Are Becoming ... - 5/1/2010 7:31:13 PM

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Hard to say- for a miracle i think i would go to god, for a headache - i would go to the medicine cabinet.... anything in between would be a coin toss.

Let me know how well God performs that quadruple bypass. You better start praying that to God that your coin lands on the side of the medicine cabinet. That way you can justify your lack of faith.

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RE: Critical Thinking & Logical Deduction Are Becoming ... - 5/1/2010 7:33:31 PM

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Just knew someone would come along and make all this about religion.

belladevine is notorious for not being able to even remotely understanding an OP. She is best ignored.

- LA

Why not admonish treasureky in the exact same fashion? Are not their posts virtually identical?

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RE: Critical Thinking & Logical Deduction Are Becoming ... - 5/1/2010 7:34:18 PM

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It was easy, he was taught to question anything that didnt make sense. Did not matter where or when.. if it didnt make sense he could ask. Often, in the beginning, i would ask him.

LOL.. the earliest moment was at the ATM. He wanted a toy, i went to see if i had enough money in the bank. Nope. Told him he would have to wait. He kept insisting that all i had to do, if i loved him, was to put my card into the machine and it would give me money. This lead to an indepth discussion on banking. In the end, he finally said... "so, until your job's bank sends the funds to your bank, you dont have any money."

That was the easy lesson. Harder ones consisted of things like how Hitler could be evil in our eyes, yet not in the eyes of his own country.

Almost any lesson can be turned into a critical thinking lesson if discussed in just the right manner.

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RE: Critical Thinking & Logical Deduction Are Becoming ... - 5/1/2010 7:34:52 PM

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You know who chose faith over medicine? Bob Marley, and G-d responded by making him immortal. Just blew your mind.

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RE: Critical Thinking & Logical Deduction Are Becoming ... - 5/1/2010 7:35:40 PM

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Just knew someone would come along and make all this about religion.

belladevine is notorious for not being able to even remotely understanding an OP. She is best ignored.

- LA

Why not admonish treasureky in the exact same fashion? Are not their posts virtually identical?

What? And deprive you of the pleasure of doing it? ;-)

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RE: Critical Thinking & Logical Deduction Are Becoming ... - 5/1/2010 7:37:55 PM

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You know who chose faith over medicine? Bob Marley, and G-d responded by making him immortal. Just blew your mind.

No, you just blew me.

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RE: Critical Thinking & Logical Deduction Are Becoming ... - 5/1/2010 7:40:20 PM

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It was easy

Actually, there is nothing easy about teaching critical thinking and logical deduction.

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RE: Critical Thinking & Logical Deduction Are Becoming ... - 5/1/2010 7:40:26 PM

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I have long wondered whether critical and analytical thinking can truly be taught or is it innate? I'm not talking about teaching the scientific method or ethics, etc. It just seems to me that most people who reject religion either as children or later as adults are predisposed to a certain way of thinking from a very young age. I don't want to paint this idea with a very broad brush, but I wonder what others think about it.

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RE: Critical Thinking & Logical Deduction Are Becoming ... - 5/1/2010 7:40:44 PM

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I believe in these instances the French like to say: Touché or is it toosh. Damn you school system.

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RE: Critical Thinking & Logical Deduction Are Becoming ... - 5/1/2010 7:41:56 PM

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FR to no one in particular:

I have long wondered whether critical and analytical thinking can truly be taught or is it innate? I'm not talking about teaching the scientific method or ethics, etc. It just seems to me that most people who reject religion either as children or later as adults are predisposed to a certain way of thinking from a very young age. I don't want to paint this idea with a very broad brush, but I wonder what others think about it.

Is it your belief that one must reject religion if they are critical thinkers?

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RE: Critical Thinking & Logical Deduction Are Becoming ... - 5/1/2010 7:43:03 PM

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It was easy

Actually, there is nothing easy about teaching critical thinking and logical deduction.

- LA

Perhaps i am just lucky and my son took to it like a duck to water. His professors are impressed with his desire to learn, and admit to me he often stumps them with his questions.

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RE: Critical Thinking & Logical Deduction Are Becoming ... - 5/1/2010 7:45:02 PM

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I have long wondered whether critical and analytical thinking can truly be taught or is it innate? I'm not talking about teaching the scientific method or ethics, etc. It just seems to me that most people who reject religion either as children or later as adults are predisposed to a certain way of thinking from a very young age. I don't want to paint this idea with a very broad brush, but I wonder what others think about it.

Researchers have conducted a meta-analysis on critical thinking research and concluded instruction that stresses student discussion and places emphasis on problem-solving procedures and methods may enhance critical thinking".

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RE: Critical Thinking & Logical Deduction Are Becoming ... - 5/1/2010 7:45:26 PM

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There is no way you can possess the ability for critical thinking and then talk about religious beliefs and the impact of God on one's life. The two are not synonymous.

The discussions always tends to boil down to the "spark" of life. At that point what does it matter?

You can't talk about intelligent design...lol and then suggest you have the ability for critical thinking....end of story.

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RE: Critical Thinking & Logical Deduction Are Becoming ... - 5/1/2010 7:46:29 PM

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I believe in these instances the French like to say: Touché or is it toosh. Damn you school system.

Didn't they tell you how to Google in school? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Touché

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RE: Critical Thinking & Logical Deduction Are Becoming ... - 5/1/2010 7:48:54 PM

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I have long wondered whether critical and analytical thinking can truly be taught or is it innate? I'm not talking about teaching the scientific method or ethics, etc. It just seems to me that most people who reject religion either as children or later as adults are predisposed to a certain way of thinking from a very young age. I don't want to paint this idea with a very broad brush, but I wonder what others think about it.

Researchers have conducted a meta-analysis on critical thinking research and concluded instruction that stresses student discussion and places emphasis on problem-solving procedures and methods may enhance critical thinking".

- LA

I believe it is innate...you are what you are. You are a rigid cock sucker or you are a lovely human being that allows for the possibility of alternative views.

I am a lovely human being.

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RE: Critical Thinking & Logical Deduction Are Becoming ... - 5/1/2010 7:49:14 PM

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It was easy

Actually, there is nothing easy about teaching critical thinking and logical deduction.

- LA

Perhaps i am just lucky and my son took to it like a duck to water. His professors are impressed with his desire to learn, and admit to me he often stumps them with his questions.

If he truly mastered critical thinking and logical deduction, he will have the potential to go far.

- LA

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RE: Critical Thinking & Logical Deduction Are Becoming ... - 5/1/2010 7:49:58 PM

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I believe you are severely misjudging the psychology of humans, on an individual as well as on a societal scale, if you think that there can ever be “quality of argument” in a discussion on topics crossing the boundaries between faiths. It is not in the nature of the average man to have any desire to know the actual facts about things that are out of their sphere of consciousness.

While I have the education to put my faith in science rather than religion, it is still faith. I still don’t have an actual understanding about the exact science of dinosaurs, or falling stars, or why the sky is blue – just vague recollections of the facts that was taught to me by long since dead people whose books are still being used in education.

Yes, I know... as the quote says: “You are entitled to your own opinions, not your own facts.” Science rules the physical universe, faith rules the psychological one. We can’t compare apples to oranges. But we can’t expect people to act like anything but people either. Disprove their science and the rational ones will be rational. Try and disprove their faith, and rationality takes a vacation.

I really don’t think logic and critical thinking is dying out. Some, by force of their belief, just choose to apply it to a different material. As much as I have ever cross-referenced the data I’ve collected, and compared theories between books, religious people have always cross-referenced their data and compared theories within their source material. Like you said, it’s not about who’s right, so then it shouldn’t matter what material they apply their studies to.

The end result though, well, I’m sure those of you who have ever worked in video editing or similar fields are well aware of the saying “crap in, crap out”. If rational kids with the ability to think critically are applying this to a fantasy flat planet reality, then their results will always be skewed. It still doesn’t make their logic any less sound... they just never had the data to get a proper result.

So then we are down to the problem of good children having bad parents. Since people tend to get all weird when I suggest we should enforce a license to procreate I guess we have to live with the world we got. Just make sure the kids YOU interact with get good data, and those that can think rationally will do so.

As for the rest, they’ll become forum trolls.

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RE: Critical Thinking & Logical Deduction Are Becoming ... - 5/1/2010 7:50:00 PM

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Personally, i hope he goes as far as it makes him happy.

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