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~FR~

Incidentally, for anyone interested, Poe's "The Purloined Letter" is a wonderful analysis (in short story form) of how and why critical thinking fails, in individuals, governments, and society.

And then, check out Lacan's analysis of it (it's in the beginning of Ecrits, which has been translated). It's fucking marvelous!

http://www.lacan.com/purloined.htm

Throw in a reference to Lévi-Strauss and Althusser and I might fall in love. ;-)

- LA

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There's a difference between a psychological example and a thorough analysis of Poe's text.

This one is the former, however storied it may be.

A quick search on the Literature Resource Center database will yield several of the latter.

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There is no way you can possess the ability for critical thinking and then talk about religious beliefs and the impact of God on one's life. The two are not synonymous.

List of Christian thinkers in science

A Ranking of the Most Influential Scientists, Past and Present

New study reveals the percentage of scientists who believe in God is the same as 1916 count
Jet, April 21, 1997

 The same percentage of scientists believe in God today as did some 81 years ago, a new study shows.

The new study conducted by noted historian Edward J. Larson of the University of Georgia in Athens asked 1,000 scientists including biologists, physicists and mathematicians, if they believed in God.

Some 40 percent of the scientists said they do believe in God. The number is the same percentage found in the famous 1916 survey conducted by noted psychologist James Leuba.

Leuba thought belief in God would drop among scientists as education improved, but he didn't have any polling evidence to support that claim, said Larson.

Firm

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ORIGINAL: domiguy

There is no way you can possess the ability for critical thinking and then talk about religious beliefs and the impact of God on one's life. The two are not synonymous.

List of Christian thinkers in science

A Ranking of the Most Influential Scientists, Past and Present

New study reveals the percentage of scientists who believe in God is the same as 1916 count
Jet, April 21, 1997

 The same percentage of scientists believe in God today as did some 81 years ago, a new study shows.

The new study conducted by noted historian Edward J. Larson of the University of Georgia in Athens asked 1,000 scientists including biologists, physicists and mathematicians, if they believed in God.

Some 40 percent of the scientists said they do believe in God. The number is the same percentage found in the famous 1916 survey conducted by noted psychologist James Leuba.

Leuba thought belief in God would drop among scientists as education improved, but he didn't have any polling evidence to support that claim, said Larson.

Firm

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"In 1996, we repeated Leuba's 1914 survey and reported our results in Nature[3]. We found little change from 1914 for American scientists generally, with 60.7% expressing disbelief or doubt. This year, we closely imitated the second phase of Leuba's 1914 survey to gauge belief among "greater" scientists, and find the rate of belief lower than ever — a mere 7% of respondents.

Leuba attributed the higher level of disbelief and doubt among "greater" scientists to their "superior knowledge, understanding, and experience" [3]. Similarly, Oxford University scientist Peter Atkins commented on our 1996 survey, "You clearly can be a scientist and have religious beliefs. But I don't think you can be a real scientist in the deepest sense of the word because they are such alien categories of knowledge."[4] Such comments led us to repeat the second phase of Leuba's study for an up-to-date comparison of the religious beliefs of "greater" and "lesser" scientists. "

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Below is a quote from the latest Leuba survey. I'm not sure what you are quoting.

"In 1996, we repeated Leuba's 1914 survey and reported our results in Nature[3]. We found little change from 1914 for American scientists generally, with 60.7% expressing disbelief or doubt. This year, we closely imitated the second phase of Leuba's 1914 survey to gauge belief among "greater" scientists, and find the rate of belief lower than ever — a mere 7% of respondents.

Leuba attributed the higher level of disbelief and doubt among "greater" scientists to their "superior knowledge, understanding, and experience" [3]. Similarly, Oxford University scientist Peter Atkins commented on our 1996 survey, "You clearly can be a scientist and have religious beliefs. But I don't think you can be a real scientist in the deepest sense of the word because they are such alien categories of knowledge."[4] Such comments led us to repeat the second phase of Leuba's study for an up-to-date comparison of the religious beliefs of "greater" and "lesser" scientists. "

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Leuba attributed the higher level of disbelief and doubt among "greater" scientists to their "superior knowledge, understanding, and experience"

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You clearly can be a scientist and have religious beliefs. But I don't think you can be a real scientist in the deepest sense of the word because they are such alien categories of knowledge."

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Music and science are alien categories of knowledge too, yet some scientists are fine musicians.

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Music and science are alien categories of knowledge too, yet some scientists are fine musicians.

Yes but they wouldn't be true scientists! That's why I was laughing at it..I find it very ironic..It sounds like a lot of other bs you here around here at times :>

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I'm not sure I'm following you. The quote is saying that religion and science are very different types of knowledge. Knowledge based on faith is often mutually exclusive to knowledge gained through logic and experimentation. Most scientists know this. I'm not sure why you consider it nonsense. It's pretty straight forward.

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There is no way you can possess the ability for critical thinking and then talk about religious beliefs and the impact of God on one's life. The two are not synonymous.

List of Christian thinkers in science

A Ranking of the Most Influential Scientists, Past and Present

New study reveals the percentage of scientists who believe in God is the same as 1916 count
Jet, April 21, 1997

 The same percentage of scientists believe in God today as did some 81 years ago, a new study shows.

The new study conducted by noted historian Edward J. Larson of the University of Georgia in Athens asked 1,000 scientists including biologists, physicists and mathematicians, if they believed in God.

Some 40 percent of the scientists said they do believe in God. The number is the same percentage found in the famous 1916 survey conducted by noted psychologist James Leuba.

Leuba thought belief in God would drop among scientists as education improved, but he didn't have any polling evidence to support that claim, said Larson.

Firm

Below is a quote from the latest Leuba survey. I'm not sure what you are quoting.

"In 1996, we repeated Leuba's 1914 survey and reported our results in Nature[3]. We found little change from 1914 for American scientists generally, with 60.7% expressing disbelief or doubt. This year, we closely imitated the second phase of Leuba's 1914 survey to gauge belief among "greater" scientists, and find the rate of belief lower than ever — a mere 7% of respondents.

Leuba attributed the higher level of disbelief and doubt among "greater" scientists to their "superior knowledge, understanding, and experience" [3]. Similarly, Oxford University scientist Peter Atkins commented on our 1996 survey, "You clearly can be a scientist and have religious beliefs. But I don't think you can be a real scientist in the deepest sense of the word because they are such alien categories of knowledge."[4] Such comments led us to repeat the second phase of Leuba's study for an up-to-date comparison of the religious beliefs of "greater" and "lesser" scientists. "

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Actually, it's just as silly, for real.

The ideal of the Renaissance man is long gone. Now, specialization is mandatory, and anyone who doesn't specialize is a jack of all trades, master of none.

Ridiculous, yes, but that's the mantra among otherwise theoretically intelligent professionals.

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What do you know about the qualifications of a scientist, true or not, and why should your opinion be considered over someone who is an expert in the field?

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Knowledge based on faith is often mutually exclusive to knowledge gained through logic and experimentation.

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Specialization is the death of creativity.