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RE: The Perils of Being Yourself - 5/4/2010 6:20:13 AM

Mercnbeth

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So sad slug, people were beginning to chat again but here you come like a toddler with a diaper full of poop - interrupting the adults yet again! But too weak to engage me...wow....

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ORIGINAL: coward guy But we all know better. We see the way she posts..."This slave this and this slave that." Really awesome shit! Captivating stuff!!! I have seen the cognitively impaired offer up more original thoughts.

slug,
Still letting me pull the strings huh - but giving up trying to address me - now your weakness shows in attempting to hijack this thread and attack beth! Wow - you are a poor excuse for man! Sorry slug - as I tell all her admirers - she won't fuck you in the ass with a strap-on and whip your sorry ass -

you'll have to continue to fantasize about her.

Never having a woman - you really shouldn't address one. I see you drawing on your hand in the manner of Cartmen doing Jennifer Lopez and skull fucking your fist.

Really - so much a coward you now need to try beth? Trust me - you're much too weak to even try. How sad and pathetic you are showing yourself to be. You couldn't deal with me so now you need beth to try and make yourself look tough!? Now more people know you for the spineless, slime producing slug you are!

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Wants to "OUT" all of the hypocrites.

As you have done - they 'out' themselves. You are just better at showing yourself as the envious, self loathing, sad, pathetic slug. Not even man enough to address confrontation you weakly need to attack beth. Pathetic display - you deserve the lonely life everyone tells me you live.

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People don't like you because they are hypocrites.

People just don't like you.

You would like to hide masturbating in the corner while observing others living a life you could only dream about.

And to show yourself as the slug you are - you attack beth! A woman who dream of being; confident, proud, and strong, showing herself as she is.

I am so glad you've show yourself in this exchange. Now everyone can see you illustrating the weak, sad pathetic slug of a man you really are - fake icon notwithstanding. you really should stick to newbie subs and commenting in the stupidity section. However with you - it's not 'random'.

I hope the mods don't bother to delete your juvenile attack - you type need exposure. Put in the sun long enough a slug dries up and dies.

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RE: The Perils of Being Yourself - 5/4/2010 6:33:02 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: domiguy
But we all know better. We see the way she posts..."This slave this and this slave that." Really awesome shit! Captivating stuff!!! I have seen the cognitively impaired offer up more original thoughts.

I really, really don't want to get into the middle of all this, but I just had to respond to this particular comment. Beth's posts are some of the most thoughtful and insightful of any I see posted at cm. If you don't see that, I think that says a whole lot more about you than it does about her.

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RE: The Perils of Being Yourself - 5/4/2010 6:35:19 AM

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ORIGINAL: lucylucy

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ORIGINAL: domiguy
But we all know better. We see the way she posts..."This slave this and this slave that." Really awesome shit! Captivating stuff!!! I have seen the cognitively impaired offer up more original thoughts.

I really, really don't want to get into the middle of all this, but I just had to respond to this particular comment. Beth's posts are some of the most thoughtful and insightful of any I see posted at cm. If you don't see that, I think that says a whole lot more about you than it does about her.

i agree. i don't understand this personal vandetta, and this is just really getting too ugly and insulting - especially someone that doesn't deserve this sort of abuse, no matter what your angst against her Master.

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RE: The Perils of Being Yourself - 5/4/2010 7:23:14 AM

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ORIGINAL: lucylucy

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ORIGINAL: domiguy
But we all know better. We see the way she posts..."This slave this and this slave that." Really awesome shit! Captivating stuff!!! I have seen the cognitively impaired offer up more original thoughts.

I really, really don't want to get into the middle of all this, but I just had to respond to this particular comment. Beth's posts are some of the most thoughtful and insightful of any I see posted at cm. If you don't see that, I think that says a whole lot more about you than it does about her.

too late .. jus saying lol

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RE: The Perils of Being Yourself - 5/4/2010 8:42:09 AM

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I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that this has been a profound learning experience, albeit a painful one.

It has been. What I have learned is that daddysprop is exactly correct. She said it so eloquently that there's no point in repeating it.

I have also learned that it's a mistake to assume that the alternative sexuality community would have any more tolerance than the vanilla community. In fact, I have questions about whether they may, to some degree, have less.

And on a rather amusing note, I distinctly remember being horrified by daddysprop's posts when I joined collarme. Now I find her analysis of my own situation spot on. So on a more upbeat note I have learned that Carol and I have covered a lot of ground in the intervening time.

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RE: The Perils of Being Yourself - 5/4/2010 9:34:38 AM

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Between enjoying the debates and especially Jeff's comments, I have been also highly amused by the subset of attacks on beth and Merc's responses, which I believe has hit the nail on the head especially in the last couple of posts. Mercnbeth I have found over the years have posted some interesting and informative goodies and though I don't always agree with them (Not surprising since we are different people, living in different locations with different cultures and what have you), I do take them on board, evaluate them as to their applicability to my self. Sometimes what they say works for me and sometimes it doesn't but always good information to have. I have to admit Jeff, that long ago I found that the kink community as with also the general Pagan community are often far less tolerant with people with similar beliefs that the general; mundane masses, but then humans are a rather obstreperous mob at the best of times.

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RE: The Perils of Being Yourself - 5/4/2010 10:42:45 AM

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Jeff, that long ago I found that the kink community as with also the general Pagan community are often far less tolerant with people with similar beliefs that the general; mundane masses, but then humans are a rather obstreperous mob at the best of times.

I experienced the same thing over the years. Been in many loud discussions where the volume of debate inhibited the participants ability to appreciate that they were all basically saying the same thing, in different ways, with different (usually self serving) priorities.

Is that it? Could the situation with Jeff and Carol turned out differently if only they approached it from submitting to their friends sensitivities?

I know that would be as much of a problem for me as it was with Jeff and maybe that points to the global problem incurred trying to homogenize the various 'lifestyle' groups. By definition real life practitioners of S&M or D/s are dominant in their relationships. Sure you can get together for a short period of time and 'share' authority and dominance in a group setting, but living it 24/7 is a much more difficult dynamic. I know I would have a difficult time 'submitting' to any house rules concerning my relationship with beth just to facilitate a peaceful commune environment which I considered my 'home'.

Is the dominance of people involved and actively living a D/s dynamic at the heart of the infighting between the varying lifestyle cultures?

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Mercnbeth I have found over the years have posted some interesting and informative goodies and though I don't always agree with them (Not surprising since we are different people, living in different locations with different cultures and what have you), I do take them on board, evaluate them as to their applicability to my self.

IB,
Taking intellectual discourse out of the mix, especially if we agreed on everything, would only leave drinking and eating between sessions with our ladies. Fine conversation and debate of opposing views provides the 'spice' to any gathering. I forget his name, but there is one talking head in the US media who uses the term; "Clarity over agreement". I think you'd agree that is a desired goal. I'm sure that, at least until we finish off the first bottle of single-malt, neither of us will have any problem living up to that standard.

At 'home' as Lady Pact said - there is no compromising consideration for people 'visiting', either as party guests or weekend 'sleep-overs'. Hell, considering all the friends who usually show up to our place on any given weekend - I doubt there is common agreement on anything other than that in describing the setting the total experience - "It doesn't suck!" The only submissive rule from outside my influence followed at the house is that after 10PM - the loud part of the party, flogging, paddling, single tail, and wax play, moves inside. The local police enforced that! If only Lady Pact and Steel had started the wax melting earlier that night or used gags on their 'victims' - even that rule wouldn't be in place.

Hope to see you soon! I've been discussing with Jeff arranging a little CM get together when he and Carol come down to visit us when we get back from Italy - doing anything in June? I know it's an easy and short trip for you and yours! (lol)

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RE: The Perils of Being Yourself - 5/4/2010 11:21:02 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth
Is that it? Could the situation with Jeff and Carol turned out differently if only they approached it from submitting to their friends sensitivities?

Actually, the problem is much more pernicious than that. For Carol and I, this is not some hat that we put on and take off on demand. Sure, we could occlude the dynamic to some degree. Any adult should be able to moderate their natural behavior to some degree or another. But we cannot be other than we are. I doubt there is a single situation in my entire life when I do not perceive myself as "in control". Even in the oft-cited example of being pulled over by highway patrol, I would not see myself as submitting to the officer. I would see myself as having made the decision to speed and now graciously accepting the results of that decision. Carol is the same thing in reverse. So it's not really an option for us to temporarily suspend the dynamic even if we chose to do that.

Remember that the original issue cropped up within the context of a totally mundane conversation. I believe we were discussing what work Carol would do... art or construction... and I said rather of matter-of-factly, Carol will do and enjoy whatever I decide. Honestly, I had no idea that such a statement would be considered an affront. I didn't even notice the statement until it got a strong response from the other person. The threads of our dynamic our woven throughout our very being. It is core to how we each process our realities. I don't really think hiding it is a possibility given any length of contact. It can, at best, be obscured somewhat.

I see this sort of split come up most clearly when there is a thread here on collarme to the effect of "How does submission make you feel?" Neither Carol nor I experience any feeling associated with our respective positions. Neither does Beth. I attribute that to the "fish in water" scenario. You don't have any feeling when you are operating entirely within your own natural context. It's just "the way it is". For us, that question can be translated to, "What does being normal feel like?" Uh.... I dunno... normal?

I've been grappling with this question over the last 6 months or so. Sadly, any verbiage I put to it is prone to be misconstrued as some sort of value judgement. It's not meant to be that way but it is always interpreted by people to mean some sort of "I'm better than you" statement. But in my head, I have two groups... natural and chosen (and yes, I also dislike those words, I just haven't come up with better yet). And I'm tentatively coming to the conclusion that no meaningful conversation can actually happen across that divide. The contexts are just so radically different that there are no meaningful questions or answers that can be provided. This is what daddysprop was alluding too.

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I know that would be as much of a problem for me as it was with Jeff and maybe that points to the global problem incurred trying to homogenize the various 'lifestyle' groups.

See above. I'm not even sure we are a 'lifestyle' group. This is just how we see the world. It does not get us "hot". We don't feel any particular feeling associated with running our marriage this way. The whole concept of 'the lifestyle' implies in some way that we see this as some sort of aberration or departure from normalcy.

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Taking intellectual discourse out of the mix, especially if we agreed on everything, would only leave drinking and eating between sessions with our ladies.

I'd truly be interested in knowing if you've had any luck in those intellectual discourses. I know that I have not. Either I am talking to another "natural" person in which case there is nothing to talk about. Honestly, who talks about the absolutely mundane normalcy and if you do, what is the point? Or, alternately, I am talking to a "chosen" person and as I said above, I have yet to find any meaningful point of reference between the two -- no bridge upon which to build a conversation.

I strongly suspect that this is why long ago, before I knew any of this, I gravitated to those like yourself and beth, Ironbear, agirl, and a few others as role models. I think I recognized the kindred spirits before I even understood the nature of the divide.

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RE: The Perils of Being Yourself - 5/4/2010 11:35:26 AM

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I really cant believe the moronic posts in this thread. It is fucking astounding that so called educated ppl by that I mean attempted to finish high skool still hold on the the myth that one sector of ppl are magically more tolerant than another.

The bigotry running thru this thread would be laffable if it wasn't for the morons that actually believe this nonsense. Jews are not any better than Catholics, blue eyed blonds are not the superior race. Eyetalins are not better lovers. The list if endless.

Dont feed the morons. I know I know your thinking "he can't be taking to me". But of course I am.

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RE: The Perils of Being Yourself - 5/4/2010 11:40:57 AM

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Dont feed the morons.

Hey - if you're full - move away from the table.

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RE: The Perils of Being Yourself - 5/4/2010 11:52:01 AM

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The only submissive rule from outside my influence followed at the house is that after 10PM - the loud part of the party, flogging, paddling, single tail, and wax play, moves inside. The local police enforced that! If only Lady Pact and Steel had started the wax melting earlier that night or used gags on their 'victims' - even that rule wouldn't be in place.

Yes, but think of it this way...... That story has almost become a legend around here.

Tell Me that you don't laugh just a bit when you think about it.

ETA Hope to see you soon! I've been discussing with Jeff arranging a little CM get together when he and Carol come down to visit us when we get back from Italy - doing anything in June? I know it's an easy and short trip for you and yours! (lol)

If this was to Me (I wasn't sure) I do have a family obligation on the East Coast the second week of June. Not sure if I'll swing SELF in addition to it, but I'm really hoping that will be a possibility.

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RE: The Perils of Being Yourself - 5/4/2010 11:59:50 AM

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Taking intellectual discourse out of the mix, especially if we agreed on everything, would only leave drinking and eating between sessions with our ladies.

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I'd truly be interested in knowing if you've had any luck in those intellectual discourses.

Jeff -

The quote was taken from the wrong perspective. It's so rare that M/s or D/s from a personal perspective is discussed; rarer still does it get personal. What's to argue? Are you going to debate about 3rd person speech with me and expect the result to be changing? Could anyone convince me to send beth to work all day while I stay home in order to represent a 'one-true way' version of a 'slave' supporting their 'Master?We'll talk about the approprateness or how anything 'works' but it is always in the context of "how does that work for YOU?" As IB says, plenty of information, practical at that, shared. Use, or don't use what you want' agree or disagree. Only get serious about some of the more practical maters such as; "Is the pool, when set at 'beth-water' temperature, too hot to swin in?"

On either side of the flogger, the only common denominator is using it; and again only if the word 'flogger' is used as a general term and not specifically since a few in attendance may not like, or use them at all. There is simply too much divergence in personality, style, energy, age, life situation, and practical sensation desired for any agreement to occur along regarding the specifics of any relationship. So much so, that it is easier to remember the exception. There is an ongoing 'heated' debate among the 'regulars' regarding "inspiring submission" versus just being "submissive" by nature. Is a woman (or man) dominant in every other aspect of their life who is conquered into submitting more true to the fundamental D/s dynamic than a person who by their self identified 'nature' who simply submits to anyone naturally coming under the dominance of partner? Not hard to guess which side of the argument beth takes huh? However as heated as it gets - rarely is blood spilled. (lol)

From what you disclosed about your situation, in that environment the reaction you'd get would be none. Nobody would care and there has been a wide ranch of relationship dynamic on display over the years at our house. However, not one person in, or trying to be in, a relationship would think your interaction with Carol, whatever it is, inappropriate.

That's the confusing thing about the contrary position taken in the general 'community'. Individually, I don't know anyone who thinks their personal relationship is the 'one true way'. Yet, as a group, 'leather men' in many circumstances, see their 'one true way' incompatible with a group of heterosexual or 'leather woman' groups.

Somewhere between the individual and the group dynamic; inclusion and acceptance disappears. For nothing more than curiosity, I'd like to understand and get insight as to why that occurs. Granted, much less critical than world events or the economy, subjects of similar discourse and debate.

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ORIGINAL: Lady Pact
That story has almost become a legend around here. Tell Me that you don't laugh just a bit when you think about it.

I blame you and Steel and his 5 pound block of wax! We should have used the microwave!

Yeah - I'm over being angry at myself for not realizing what time it was or at least asking the cop "where in the neighborhood ARE "orgy noises" allowed after 10? I never told you this, but for a minute, I thought the cop was one of those house call 'Strippers' doing the cop character from the 'Village People' ordered by Beach Mystress!

People still laugh about it. I'm sure in a few years - it will be the SWAT team showing up and dropping into the pool from a helicopter!

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If this was to Me (I wasn't sure) I do have a family obligation on the East Coast the second week of June.

Actually when Jeff and I chatted, you were named specifically. Were your ears burning? We don't get back until June 7th and at my age - jet lag takes at least a week for a cure.

Send me an email on the other side regarding your dates.

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RE: The Perils of Being Yourself - 5/4/2010 12:02:18 PM

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth
Hey - if you're full - move away from the table.

You know I have to admit, I don't get this SB's sort of comment. I find lots of threads on collarme to be not particularly relevant to me or else distasteful. I just stop reading them.

Even more amazing to me is that there must be some segment of the submissive population that sees such behavior as "dominant". I look at posters like Domiguy and SailingBugm and that question is endlessly intriguing to me. Would this be the "need to be humiliated and abused" crowd?

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RE: The Perils of Being Yourself - 5/4/2010 12:06:57 PM

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I have found that people involved with BDSM and particularly the Dominants of either gender are willing to sit down with each other and get down and dirty to discuss their lifestyle or what they do and how they do it. probably too personal and leaves one open to criticism. Possibly there is quite a degree of lack of self confidence or experience for many along with those folks who like to keep such things to themselves except on generalities. However there a few, albeit oft few and far between who are confident in themselves, their knowledge (at any level) who are quire happy to sit, debate, swap ideas and have a good old fashion chin waging about these things. For me such discussions is a wonderful way to widen my knowledge base and learn new things on a practical basis.

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RE: The Perils of Being Yourself - 5/4/2010 12:12:57 PM

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However there a few, albeit oft few and far between who are confident in themselves, their knowledge (at any level) who are quire happy to sit, debate, swap ideas and have a good old fashion chin waging about these things. For me such discussions is a wonderful way to widen my knowledge base and learn new things on a practical basis.

IB - Exactly!
You'd have a GREAT time at our place! That's the normal course of events.

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RE: The Perils of Being Yourself - 5/4/2010 12:25:35 PM

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

quote:

However there a few, albeit oft few and far between who are confident in themselves, their knowledge (at any level) who are quire happy to sit, debate, swap ideas and have a good old fashion chin waging about these things. For me such discussions is a wonderful way to widen my knowledge base and learn new things on a practical basis.

IB - Exactly!
You'd have a GREAT time at our place! That's the normal course of events.

I keep hearing that... and I am not surprised!

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RE: The Perils of Being Yourself - 5/4/2010 1:05:11 PM

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth
I blame you and Steel and his 5 pound block of wax! We should have used the microwave!

Yeah, but you still haven't said that you don't laugh about it now. Go ahead. Tell Me you don't.

(I could grumble something about how there really was enough wax to cover every s type in attendance that evening, or I never really had anyone be quite so 'vocal' about being a wax bottom, but I won't)

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Yeah - I'm over being angry at myself for not realizing what time it was or at least asking the cop "where in the neighborhood ARE "orgy noises" allowed after 10? I never told you this, but for a minute, I thought the cop was one of those house call 'Strippers' doing the cop character from the 'Village People' ordered by Beach Mystress!

You do realize that you just set yourself up there. I take no responsibility if you have now tempted fate.

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People still laugh about it. I'm sure in a few years - it will be the SWAT team showing up and dropping into the pool from a helicopter!

We'll have to see how they feel about 'bethwater'.

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Actually when Jeff and I chatted, you were named specifically. Were your ears burning? We don't get back until June 7th and at my age - jet lag takes at least a week for a cure.

Send me an email on the other side regarding your dates.

Then the timing is just about right. I'll be in GA at minimum June 9-10. SELF is the weekend following. I'd certainly be back the weekend after that.

It would be a wonderful opportunity.

(You don't think we'll scare anyone with the whips and chains and stuff, do you?)

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RE: The Perils of Being Yourself - 5/4/2010 1:10:58 PM

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ORIGINAL: leadership527

It has been. What I have learned is that daddysprop is exactly correct. She said it so eloquently that there's no point in repeating it.

I have also learned that it's a mistake to assume that the alternative sexuality community would have any more tolerance than the vanilla community. In fact, I have questions about whether they may, to some degree, have less.

And on a rather amusing note, I distinctly remember being horrified by daddysprop's posts when I joined collarme. Now I find her analysis of my own situation spot on. So on a more upbeat note I have learned that Carol and I have covered a lot of ground in the intervening time.

congrats on coming such a long way along life's neverending journey of personal growth and knowledge. :)

also, very glad that you find my posts somewhat less horrifying now, lol. what i wish, and have always wished, is that there were a basic D/s "community" of sorts, for those not into the bdsm or kink stuff....outside of insular religious communities of course. and perhaps somewhere there is such a community, but i have not been fortunate enough to come across it in these 10 years. my Master's attitude on the subject is similar to Merc's...he is a very social person and enjoys friendship and just plain good times with those of many different worldviews and ways of life. but i otoh have always felt an overwhelming sense of isolation and ostracization in being so different and not really having others with whom i could relate. imo the only way this can be remedied is by those of us who are different speaking up and letting ourselves be seen and heard, with no apologies or censorship.

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RE: The Perils of Being Yourself - 5/4/2010 1:18:30 PM

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I did read most of this thread and wow kids. I know lots of people have spent time with M&B and have plenty of nice things to say about them but that doesnt excuse the nasty low blows delivered by Merc to domi here.

Saying about how you heard denigrating things about domi and then wave it around here like a flag of poo is low brow bullying, not cool at all.

You may not like him and maybe there is truth in some of the things you say but it is still not cool. So the jokey back-slapping, in-crowd shit is just that--shit.

People need to be themselves. It is good to protect yourself from getting hurt if at all possible and sometimes you think something is one thing and it turns out not to be so, which can be painful and difficult to deal with. Moving toward what feels good to you and away from what doesnt is still a good lighthouse to go by.

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RE: The Perils of Being Yourself - 5/4/2010 1:45:27 PM

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Once again sweet HC well said

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