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RE: Jesus/Paul: A Conversation - 5/9/2010 11:44:47 AM   
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In the future I imagine today's Blogs and emails will serve that purpose.



About that - online media are paradoxically more robust and more fragile. They can be saved and shared infinitely, or deleted with a keystroke, depending on circumstance. If our civilization goes down the tubes - not that I think it will, but if - the record is more fragile than ever. Right now, we're good, but we're in transition to ever more ephemeral storage. I worry sometimes that, when historians look back on us, there won't be any record.



I agree. You have stated it very well. Future historians will just shake their heads and mutter WTF?

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RE: Jesus/Paul: A Conversation - 5/9/2010 1:53:48 PM   
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Your trivial defenses for condemning the Jews and all their progeny through genetic disease

Where precisely have I condemned 'the Jews and all their progeny through genetic disease', pray tell and quote me on that?

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Your trivial defenses for ... assigning them the theological status of Evil

Where precisely have I assigned 'the Jews and all their progeny' 'the theological status of Evil', pray tell and quote me on that?

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is an outrage because your statements and your mindset

You have already amply demonstrated not to comprehend my statements.
Then there is the question: what makes you an expert on my mindset?

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perpetuate the long historical lie of Jewish racial inferiority and the long history of persecution that began when Nero blamed the Christian Jews for the fires that were set in Rome.

Ah, now you also are an expert on lies? So show me your expertness: prove that this lie is a lie. Please start by listing the arguments for the alleged racial inferiority of the Jews.

Anyway, for your information: the persecution of the Jews had nothing to do with Christianity. Long before Christianity they were persecuted by the Babylonians, by the Greeks, by their own pagan god and by whom knows how many more peoples. In all those persecutions there is only one single constant: a people that circumcises their males and that commit horrid murderous atrocities on their females.

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The historic persecution continued by the Christian churches lead to the unimaginable horrors of the industrial liquidation of the six million in the Shoah.

That is simply not true. The genocide on the Jews during the second world war had nothing to do with Christianity; it was an eugenics program planned and performed by eugenicists. There never was a thousands years plan to persecute Jews.

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Twenty years after the closing of Auschwitz Popes John 23, Paul 6, and John Paul 2 began an attempt to reconcile the Catholic Church with the Jews.

Pff.

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Your self-absorbed, pitiful, little nit-picky defenses trivialize the death and suffering of the six million

I am trying to save one and a quarter billion people with mutilated penises from the horrors of - among other horrors - the inherited diseases they have condemned themselves to. I do not have to defend myself for anything in this thread.

I do notice that you evade all my questions and that you never provide any evidence for your slanderous allegations.

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as well as the honest attempts made by the Church to establish an interfaith harmony.

Honest? You may be fooled, but I am not.

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Your repeated Jew-baiting on these Boards first from behind the veil of the science of genetics and then by reference to quotations from scriptures is a disgusting and despicable act.

I have no knowledge whatsoever of any Jew-baiting by me on these boards.
I do observe that the occurrence of lethal inherited diseases in Jewish populations are six times as high proportionally as in the indigenous Christean European population. The only for a biologist significant difference between both populations noticeable is that in Jewish populations the penis of the males is circumcised. You may not like those facts, but quess what: the universe nor the Divine gives one whit about what you care for or not; perhaps you have never read the short science fiction story The Cold Equations?

Quoting scripture, presenting evidence is 'a disgusting and despicable act'? Why, because you have no answer to this evidence and you do not care for this evidence in scripture? Ever heard of ostrich policies, or of the three monkeys of whom the first covers his eyes, the second covers his ears and the third covers his mouth? It seems to me that you will deny any and hide any truths so that you can live pleasantly in your delusional world. I repeat: neither the universe nor the Divine gives one whit about what you care for or not.

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None of the banal defenses you mount can wash away my contempt for the blame-the-victim filth you have expressed. Your repeated remarks are reprehensible in the extreme.

You are mistaken about who has to defend himself here. It is you who for reason of lack of ability and out of fear of being exposed, refuse to answer my questions. It is you who again and again has demonstrated to lie and not to know what you are talking about and who unwarrantedly and sanctimoniously slanders me with the filth that drenches your mind.

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I can only repeat in sad and humble fashion the words that Emile Zola wrote in an open letter to the President of France during the persecution of the Jew, Alfred Dreyfus…. “J’accuse.”

Pff. Your accusation has got nothing to do with me. You are the single owner of your accusation. May the God of the Dead judge you according to your merits.

I am still waiting for you to answer all my questions in this thread.


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RE: Jesus/Paul: A Conversation - 5/9/2010 6:21:35 PM   
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Anyway, for your information: the persecution of the Jews had nothing to do with Christianity. Long before Christianity they were persecuted by the Babylonians, by the Greeks, by their own pagan god and by whom knows how many more peoples. In all those persecutions there is only one single constant: a people that circumcises their males and that commit horrid murderous atrocities on their females.



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That is simply not true. The genocide on the Jews during the second world war had nothing to do with Christianity; it was an eugenics program planned and performed by eugenicists. There never was a thousands years plan to persecute Jews.


You are either an arrogant, wicked human being or monumentally naive and ignorant of the consequences of your words. It had everything to do with the christ-killer Jew-hatred nourished by Christianity for nearly 20 Centuries. You asked for references, I gave you references. Go read and learn, you sick piece of shit.

ETA to say I gave my answer to the OP before I answered your Jew-baiting rants.

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RE: Jesus/Paul: A Conversation - 5/9/2010 6:50:27 PM   
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You are either an arrogant, wicked human being or monumentally naive and ignorant of the consequences of your words. It had everything to do with the christ-killer Jew-hatred nourished by Christianity for nearly 20 Centuries. You asked for references, I gave you references. Go read and learn, you sick piece of shit.

Hm, wrong, wrong, wrong and wrong again.

You have a fascinating mind, vincentML. I am most interested in it.

Are you an extremely empathic person?
Do you mirror the emotions of other people?
Did your parents find you a difficult child to raise?
Do you have a high IQ - say 153?
Do you occasionally experience a deep depression?
Do you have high moral standards?
Do you feel horrible if other people say that you have done something wrong?
Do they often say that you have done something wrong or that you are lying or act improperly?
Have you ever done something wrong or lied or acted improperly? Or are you a righteous man?
Have you ever wronged someone?
Is always someone else to blame?
Are you the hero in your world, a white knight in blazing armor?
Are there any people that have dropped out of your life?
When you promise someone to do something for them, do you do that first, before your own interests, or does it happen that you act on your promise weeks, months or perhaps even a year later?
Is everybody your friend?
Perhaps you have no enemies at all?
Can you operate only on condition of complete mutual trust?
Do you have an eye for financial opportunities?
Do you ever do any unpaid volunteer work?

My curious mind wants to know.



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RE: Jesus/Paul: A Conversation - 5/9/2010 7:12:54 PM   
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i can only speculate... maybe he said the pure of heart will kneel at my feet. or maybe wheres a kosher deli?

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RE: Jesus/Paul: A Conversation - 5/9/2010 7:26:25 PM   
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of an opponent in a debate.

You are not my opponent in any debate, vincent. From this remark I deduce that you are from the USA? I am only interested in truth, not in pushing my point of view nor in opposing the point of view of someone else; such are only the deplorable debating tactics of Americans who have no interest in truth but only in winning for their side in a debate.

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RE: Jesus/Paul: A Conversation - 5/10/2010 5:05:27 AM   
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That is simply not true. The genocide on the Jews during the second world war had nothing to do with Christianity; it was an eugenics program planned and performed by eugenicists. There never was a thousands years plan to persecute Jews.


Pope Pius XII spoke out against the Eugenics program and German Bishops preached against it, so the program was stopped early on. Contrary to what you say the program was directed at the lame, the elderly, handicapped children, and mentally retarded adults, all who did not meet the Aryian criteria for the New German.

The long history of Christ-killer Jew-hatred prepared the ground for Hitler's industrial genocide of the Jews.

Pius did not speak out against the Holocaust of the Jews and so has been accused as complicit by his silence. Reference the 1960s theater production called "The Deputy."

Like all Jew-baiters you and your lapdog are ignorant of history or twist it to your own devices. I will not be complicit by silence in the face of your murderous bigotry.



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RE: Jesus/Paul: A Conversation - 5/10/2010 5:24:22 AM   
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of an opponent in a debate.

You are not my opponent in any debate, vincent. From this remark I deduce that you are from the USA? I am only interested in truth, not in pushing my point of view nor in opposing the point of view of someone else; such are only the deplorable debating tactics of Americans who have no interest in truth but only in winning for their side in a debate.



The only truth which interests you is that which you invented through self-serving arrogance. You are obviously ignorant of the long, terrible history of Christianity's war upon the Jews as you are ignorant of the history of the Shoah.

My revised answer to the OP: Jesus would have said to Paul ... all the preaching about love that I did and still there are bigots like Rule. Why did I waste my energy?

Paul would have responded as he did in his first letter to Corinth... "If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal."

I hear your Jew-hatred, Rule, as a noisy gong and a clanging cymbal.

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RE: Jesus/Paul: A Conversation - 5/10/2010 5:54:13 AM   
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Okay people.  Lose the hijacks and personal attacks.  I just spent 10 minutes cleaning up your mess, and I'm not in a patient mood.

This thread is about what Jesus might say to Paul.

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RE: Jesus/Paul: A Conversation - 5/10/2010 5:58:11 AM   
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Ya know. if you need some help... I know a couple guys who would really enjoy a Mod hammer......


Just sayin'


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RE: Jesus/Paul: A Conversation - 5/10/2010 8:56:16 AM   
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Thomas Jefferson called Paul "the first corrupter of the doctrines of Jesus." Has anyone read "The Jefferson Bible?"

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RE: Jesus/Paul: A Conversation - 5/10/2010 9:10:17 AM   
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No... is it worthwhile?

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RE: Jesus/Paul: A Conversation - 5/10/2010 9:45:09 AM   
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I've not read it either. I think it would be interesting, given the author.

"To the corruption of Christianity I am indeed opposed, but not to the genuine precepts of Jesus himself." Thus, Jefferson explaining why he literally cut and pasted parcels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, reassembled into what he believed was a more natural narrative and pasted into a little blank-paged book, along with his own translations in French, Greek and Latin.

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RE: Jesus/Paul: A Conversation - 5/10/2010 10:49:23 AM   
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Thinking Tommy had a bit of a jaded view of Christianity to start out with. Not sure I'd put much stock in a book on the matter from him.

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RE: Jesus/Paul: A Conversation - 5/10/2010 11:00:47 AM   
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I've not read it either. I think it would be interesting, given the author.

"To the corruption of Christianity I am indeed opposed, but not to the genuine precepts of Jesus himself." Thus, Jefferson explaining why he literally cut and pasted parcels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, reassembled into what he believed was a more natural narrative and pasted into a little blank-paged book, along with his own translations in French, Greek and Latin.


It's pretty much a pick and choose my favourite bits and stick them altoghter kind of book.  As far as I have looked into it, the transtaltions are still pretty rough.  It's no different to what constantine did in the first place and missed out the stuff that he didn't like or fit his own agenda.

the.dark.

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RE: Jesus/Paul: A Conversation - 5/10/2010 11:01:21 AM   
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That's a subjective call I'm not going to make about the President. I may be quite jaded too.

I don't necessarily "put stock" in what I find interesting to read. I can't even think of something that I would not read, however I know that some of the extreme faithful refuse to read opposing viewpoints/texts/sources.

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RE: Jesus/Paul: A Conversation - 5/10/2010 11:09:54 AM   
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Yeah, and I think this thread has seen enough vitriol to last it for a while. Does anyone realize we are really supposed to be a "Community"?  Shrugs

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RE: Jesus/Paul: A Conversation - 5/10/2010 11:15:26 AM   
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Vitriol?



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RE: Jesus/Paul: A Conversation - 5/10/2010 11:18:07 AM   
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It's pretty much a pick and choose my favourite bits and stick them altoghter kind of book.  As far as I have looked into it, the transtaltions are still pretty rough.  It's no different to what constantine did in the first place and missed out the stuff that he didn't like or fit his own agenda.

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It seems to me that's what a lot of us do.

Can you imagine, though, a president today literally cutting up the bible?

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RE: Jesus/Paul: A Conversation - 5/10/2010 11:18:31 AM   
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Anger. angst, hurt feelings, people saying things they shouldn't just because they can....that sort of thing

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