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RE: a bonding issue - 4/18/2006 8:16:20 PM   
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Yes, many of us are intelligent and can put two and two together. When I see a discrepancy I'm likely to call someone on it. Why not? If they have nothing to hide their answer will be easy, won't it? I have never heard of a red-headed albino. I'm not sure that I believe her explanation, and I'm honest about that. I didn't find that she answered any of the questions put forth about the so-called fighting pits, either. It was all "I'm not sure". I have not attacked her, I just don't feel inclined to believe her. As an intelligent, educated, experienced person I'm not driven to believe everything that is said on an internet forum. Her profile is empty, which means she can change her story at whim. She has no photos, which means she can happily describe herself any way she pleases. She has every right to say anything about herself, that she wishes. I just have every right not to believe any of it...and frankly, I don't.


Applause! Applause. I couldn't have worded my skeptical opinion any better. These self-descriptions - both physical and mental- make no sense to me.. (I think I need that Ambien, afterall)

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RE: a bonding issue - 4/18/2006 8:18:37 PM   
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ORIGINAL: KnightofMists

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ORIGINAL: MLskajira
......, but you belong to someone .....


cinful I didn't know you are owned now.. Congrats.. your profile doesn't reflect it.. I must of missed a post somewhere.


Apparently, somewhere along the way, I became owned by You, Sir/Master/Owner...I guess it was by proxy, because I don't recall either of us being there. LOL

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RE: a bonding issue - 4/18/2006 8:24:35 PM   
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I myself can not imagine taking my beautiful dog and putting her in a ring and fighting her for sport, I would never allow that to happen but people do all the time, every day in fact, the same minds that get joy from this sort of activity has been prevalent thought out history.


Just to give you some sort of background on fighting animals: Those animals aren't "your beautiful dog". They're animals put on display to fight it out to the death. They aren't just dogs either. They're roosters, rats, cats-just about any creature that can be easily bred, easily trained, and cheap to maintain. Dogs, rats, cats, and chickens are also bred to be consumed in some countries. These sorts of activities are prevalent throughout history.

The forced fighting of humans is not something I've ever come across outside of Gorean novels and the histories of male slaves fighting gladiators. Typically, female slaves were kept for gender-specific tasks, including cleaning, keeping house, cooking, gathering food from the market, gathering water, wool-working, child-care, being sold as prostitutes, kept at home for sexual servitude, breeding, wet nursing, and entertaining. Women, as the "gentle" sex, were not, to my knowledge, kept as "fighters".

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Mans inhumanity to man is vast, extreme, foreboding and perverse, we saw it in the Roman Colosseum, in POW camps, slave plantations, Auschwitz, Jeffery Dahmer, Tienanmen Square, Tibet, South Korea, little children working in sweat shops...


The Roman Colosseum was typically used to butcher male gladiators (lower than slaves in status), male slaves, Jews and followers of Christ, prisoners of war, and the occassional female gladiator (which is not a slave, but a professional fighter). POW camps were more for maiming, raping, and slaughter. Slave plantations were aimed at forced labor to produce goods. Jeffrey Dahmer...a serial killer.

The human mind, spirit, and physical body is certainly capable of pure evil and complete hatred, so I don't doubt the possibility of such an occurance as the forced fighting of the female submissive in a Western country. However, the instances you state do not relate to that.

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in Africa they are still doing clittodectomys and in Saudi Arabia your parents can kill you if you bring shame (date a boy) to the family.


Yup. Amnesty International certainly has a lot of trouble on its' shoulders. In some countries, people believe in kidnapping women to give them children, but if that child is a girl, they'll kill it. In some countries, America is less concerned with human rights violations and more concerned with where to build the next Walmart.

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I am glad that you live in a sanitized world where anything depraved and abhorrent must not be real KOM, I wish we could all live there. 


The world is hardly sanitized and drama-free. Many of the members of this website live in the same country where the BTK serial killer was just arrested. Some of us know rape victims, or were victims of rape. Some of us are victims of abuse, or know victims of abuse. Some of us are on welfare, or cannot get custody of our children, or live next door to a child molester. Some of us may be ostracized by society because of our beliefs and practices, while others are in hiding for fear of that problem.

This, however, does not mean that what MLSkajira says is true. What she describes with so little detail (yet the need to express that she's so freakishly different) is extremely difficult to believe. It sounds, to me (an intelligent, worldly, perhaps a bit too knowledgable person), like a scene out of a particularly bad paragraph in one of the latter Gorean novels.

And to top it all off, she's carries the recessive (only effects one in 17,000) combination of genes that lead to albinism. I was intrigued (as I used to work with a person who had albinism-she was african-american), so I looked up the possible traits of albinism. In ocular albinism, only the eyes have no pigmentation, though they do not always appear to be pink (or purple, or red), as the human eye is considered to be a large enough vessel as to prevent blood vessels from accumulating beneath the iris (as is the cause of pink eyes in other albino creatures, such as rats). In oculacutaneous albinism, the skin, hair, and eye pigmentation is effected, and can cause the skin to appear white or yellow (in the case of many african americans like Yellowman), while the hair is white or blonde, and the eyes are often blue (in caucasians) and hazel or gray (in african americans).

I saw nothing to indicate that a native american person could be albino with red hair and green eyes. I saw nothing that indicated that there was a case of such in any medical record (though several famous people whom I had never heard of were listed on Wikipedia).

So, I can't say that I believe this either.

My point is-many people who are inflicted with oddities are less likely to discuss them on an internet forum. People who are abused or injured or raped are less likely to discuss these events on an internet forum (unless it is one dedicated to such a topic). As a skeptic and an intelligent human, I am unlikely to believe the ramblings of a woman on the internet who throws her baggage around like its weightless.

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RE: a bonding issue - 4/18/2006 8:28:34 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Vancouver_cinful

Apparently, somewhere along the way, I became owned by You, Sir/Master/Owner...I guess it was by proxy, because I don't recall either of us being there. LOL

Cin


I don't know... I wasn't about to assume who she thought your owner was.... but, she has made some rather obviously wrong statements... Not limited to just your um "so called owner... whoever she wanted to believe that was"....

I guess that is one of the things that leads to credibility of what some say.  We can say anything we want here... and frankly.. it could be true or not.  However, when someone makes obviously wrong and misleading statements... on more than shall we say infrequent basis... It raises creditibility issues and one is even more likely to doubt the facts that comes from such a person.  Sadly, sometimes the truth suffers as a result.

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RE: a bonding issue - 4/18/2006 8:49:19 PM   
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I guess there really isn't anything more to say on this. I have not seen anything to help me suspend disbelief on this subject, and anyone who makes wild assumptions about the relationships of people they don't know, without even bothering to check out a profile, just isn't someone I can take seriously.

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RE: a bonding issue - 4/18/2006 9:45:10 PM   
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Throughout my reading of this thread, I was plagued by the reference of being the only known person in the medical world to have red hair, hazel eyes and freckles. As is claimed in this thread , cross referenced with the OPs thread in Health and safety. The nurse in me got the better of me, having remembered something about albinoism form nursing school.
So, I Googled it. If the Medical Professionals are baffled by the OP's *unique* albino features they may be interested in the links below.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=OMIM&dopt=Detailed&tmpl=dispomimTemplate&list_uids=203290

http://www.thetech.org/genetics/ask.php?id=67

http://ospiti.peacelink.it/anb-bia/nr368/e04.html

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_adm4445/is_2/ai_n16081425

It's pretty dull reading, but her condition is not unique. There exists different types of albinoism and the OP is not a medical mystery.

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RE: a bonding issue - 4/18/2006 10:02:06 PM   
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ORIGINAL: maybemaybenot

Throughout my reading of this thread, I was plagued by the reference of being the only known person in the medical world to have red hair, hazel eyes and freckles. As is claimed in this thread , cross referenced with the OPs thread in Health and safety. The nurse in me got the better of me, having remembered something about albinoism form nursing school.
So, I Googled it. If the Medical Professionals are baffled by the OP's *unique* albino features they may be interested in the links below.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=OMIM&dopt=Detailed&tmpl=dispomimTemplate&list_uids=203290

http://www.thetech.org/genetics/ask.php?id=67

http://ospiti.peacelink.it/anb-bia/nr368/e04.html

It's pretty dull reading, but her condition is not unique. There exists different types of albinoism and the OP is not a medical mystery.

               mbmbn




See, I read that as well on a few sites while looking up the information on albinism. However, I noticed that all of your links, and the ones I found, are centered around people of african descent. MLskajira notes that she is of native american descent. As I mentioned, I did not find any information (anomoly (sp?) or otherwise) on native american persons with albinism of an unusual nature.

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RE: a bonding issue - 4/18/2006 10:18:41 PM   
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I added a link to my above post in which it says the following:

Albinism of just the eyes also occurs. This is called ocular albinism and can be inherited via either an X-linked or an autosomal recessive process. In this form of albinism, skin color is usually normal and eye color may be in the normal range. However, examination of the eye will show that there is no pigment in the retina.

My point is that the infererence of the OP was that this a unique medical occurance which cannot be explained by MDs. Maybe I am missing something as she references herslef as a
" true albino". My research finds no such catagory of albinoism but clearly gives examples of differing types of albinoism, none being an absolute.

Perhaps the OP would be willing to share which medical journels she is documented in. I am quite sure she knows which ones as you have to sign a release form to allow your case to be published

mbmbn

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RE: a bonding issue - 4/19/2006 6:32:52 AM   
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ORIGINAL: maybemaybenot

I added a link to my above post in which it says the following:

Albinism of just the eyes also occurs. This is called ocular albinism and can be inherited via either an X-linked or an autosomal recessive process. In this form of albinism, skin color is usually normal and eye color may be in the normal range. However, examination of the eye will show that there is no pigment in the retina.

My point is that the infererence of the OP was that this a unique medical occurance which cannot be explained by MDs. Maybe I am missing something as she references herslef as a
" true albino". My research finds no such catagory of albinoism but clearly gives examples of differing types of albinoism, none being an absolute.

Perhaps the OP would be willing to share which medical journels she is documented in. I am quite sure she knows which ones as you have to sign a release form to allow your case to be published

mbmbn




all of that is true, but this girl has no pigment anywhere. none in her eyes, skin or hair.


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RE: a bonding issue - 4/19/2006 6:34:08 AM   
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honestly, this girl has no idea which journals she is in.... but she will do some research and find out.

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RE: a bonding issue - 4/19/2006 7:24:13 AM   
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Always nice to let others know you are searching for the proper lie to aply here in this situation. Anyone can goggles or do enough research to state about what they want others to believe about them. I as of yet do not understand the need to define yourself further. You've busted in a long tale of inaccuracy. Like knight and cin and a few others, I too see you zigging when you should of zagged. I personally think you are getting a thrill out of being some sort of center of attention. You've post here and among other threads that you're being personally attacked by knight on this very same thread. But instead of walking away, you insist to continue. Who do you need to prove what to? Yourself? Knight or anyone else? Living in a glass house, one should not throw stones at another. You have become a game to some. They will bore of you quickly and move on. But right now you enjoy the attention. Be it right or wrong. As long as it's attention, you are in the spot light.
I have to agree with another poster on here, I forget which one it is. Whom states that one that has lived the traumatic life you claim to of, will not openly bring this out in such an open forum. You started off with a simply question to the doms and masters. You allowed yourself for the attention to be side tracked. You started another another thread about the question. But keep coming back here. You attack knight in another thread. Where at first I thought he was more or less attacking you, I see it is you who is actually attacking. Not just knight but others as well. Guess I should of posted my other thread attack of the subs who do not like being questioned about things they post.
You really need to pick your games better than this. And instead of going in search of information you should already have. Pick a better topic on which you are more informative about and need not search for the answer. Or better yet, search out your answer before posting so it at least looks like you know what you're talking about.


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RE: a bonding issue - 4/19/2006 8:50:33 AM   
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If you have no pigment, how do you have red hair and hazel eyes?  Those are pigments.

I was inclined to give you the benefit of the doubt, but the more I read your posts, the more I'm seeing you getting tangled up in your own words. 



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RE: a bonding issue - 4/19/2006 1:34:25 PM   
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MLsKajira:

The fact that you have freckles indicates that your body is producing some  sort of melanin < pigment >, albeit a mutated form. As for your eyes, perhaps the MD said  your retina had no pigment, not the iris, or he just said eye and you assumed iris.

I am  a nurse and have been a patient, sometimes our brain does not *hear* the full content of what the MD is saying. All I am suggesting to you is that, IMO, either your MD is not well read in albinoism or that you only *heard * part of what was being said. Albinoism is a pretty complex genetic disorder. It would be easy to misinterpret explanations.

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