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RE: Kneeling before slaves - 6/18/2010 10:24:45 AM   
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The other concept you have yet to recognize is why these Men know themselves well and understand this projection of power over people
, they have no need to flaunt it, it simply is a part of who they are. ....



I complete agree... that's why I don't tend to let it hang out..... some are not so fortunate and it seems a tad arrogant to just flaunt such power..... I just be me.... and to the knee they go!

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RE: Kneeling before slaves - 6/18/2010 10:29:22 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Ishtarr
This past weekend my best friend and me went to Chicago to meet a couple of dominant men that we are now currently involved with.
These fine gentlemen took us out for a night on the town and of course we dressed to kill for them.
My friend, who isn't used to wearing high heels ended up being in considerable pain because of her footwear.
This resulted in a "scene" where she, her man and me were outside of the club smoking and him deciding to kneel at her feet on the sidewalk at 3am and massage her feet, with me standing over them both and her sitting down on a flowerbed-thingy.

At no point in time was he not in complete control of the situation and at no point in time was there ANY doubt in anybodies mind about this.
The fact that he was in a pose of absolute submission, in public, performing what is generally considered to be a submissive act changed NOTHING about the fact the HE was the one in control.
She, nor I, nor he doubted that for even a second.



My previous Master in NYC carried me home 3 blocks one night because my feet had become so blistered from my shoes i literally couldn't put them on my feet anymore - and he didn't want me walking barefoot on the nasty Manhattan sidewalks....

It was Dominant because he wanted to do it, and because he was taking care of me as his property. i didn't think twice about it, i felt very submissive and cared for.

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RE: Kneeling before slaves - 6/18/2010 10:37:47 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Ishtarr
I'm sure that if I would suggest to her that she might be uncomfortable with his actions because they are obviously "acts of submission" she'd laugh in my face, because if you feel his energy when he's doing it.... there's no doubt in anybodies mind that he's far from being submissive, even when he bows and kisses her hand when greeting her...
Actually *chuckles* This is exactly Carol's reaction when she reads threads like this one.

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RE: Kneeling before slaves - 6/18/2010 11:14:42 AM   
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He's to type of man that will open doors for a lady, even to the point that he will have her wait by the car door to open it for her before he goes around and gets in himself. He's a true gentleman, and will absolutely insist on being a gentleman.
She's not allowed to lite her own cigarettes for instance, he does this for her.

He does a lot of things that could generally be considered to be "acts of submission" but he does them because he wants to do them, so he's very much being in control. ...if you feel his energy when he's doing it.... there's no doubt in anybodies mind that he's far from being submissive, even when he bows and kisses her hand when greeting her...



oooh well that just made me feel all gooey inside again, context and embracing the moment seem to override all other pre-conceptions of what is/isn't deemed "Dominant".

and at the risk of being labelled a hijacker so early in my forum-posting-life, Jeff: Your relationship with Carol intrigues me to no end, and it continues to open up doors to "new" ideas and ways of thinking for me. Please continue to share Your way of life and experiences! And thankyou for Your honesty

um, /end hijack. did i do that right?

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RE: Kneeling before slaves - 6/18/2010 11:39:04 AM   
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If I were Master I would demand my slave to kneel before me.
However, after that, I would order her to sit in the chair and to allow me to kneel before her.
Yes, I would kneel before her, and I would demand her to accept this gesture.
This would be my symbol of my love, devotion and respect toward her,
this would be my acknowledgment of how much I love her and how much I appreciate her love, service and obedience.
I am the Master, I am the one who decides......
I know, I am weird.



WOW 7 pages of replies, I got to get my ADD under control, couldn't read them all.
ANYWAY MY $.02:

Yeah you are weird, so what ?

IF you are the Dom, Master, why do you need to have your sub ALLOW something?
Maybe it's just a poor choice of wording in your OP. But when I read it it sounds like a real contradiction.

I do have a similar thing: my sub is not allowed to open the car door for herself. I guess some could see this as a submissive act

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RE: Kneeling before slaves - 6/18/2010 11:49:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		Silence8, based upon your statement you obviously didn't READ the signature line as your quote of same leaves out a lot of the comment.

You may want to try again.

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but that formed a building block of his character

Unless i am missing something, you completely missed the full statement.

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RE: Kneeling before slaves - 6/18/2010 11:50:41 AM   
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ORIGINAL: crazyml

Ishtarr... I love this...

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ORIGINAL: Ishtarr
This past weekend my best friend and me went to Chicago to meet a couple of dominant men that we are now currently involved with.
These fine gentlemen took us out for a night on the town and of course we dressed to kill for them.
My friend, who isn't used to wearing high heels ended up being in considerable pain because of her footwear.
This resulted in a "scene" where she, her man and me were outside of the club smoking and him deciding to kneel at her feet on the sidewalk at 3am and massage her feet, with me standing over them both and her sitting down on a flowerbed-thingy.

At no point in time was he not in complete control of the situation and at no point in time was there ANY doubt in anybodies mind about this.
The fact that he was in a pose of absolute submission, in public, performing what is generally considered to be a submissive act changed NOTHING about the fact the HE was the one in control.
She, nor I, nor he doubted that for even a second.



This is a brilliant example. The dom in question seems clearly totally comfortable in his dominant role - in some senses the act of massaging his partner's feet was zen-like in its domliness (absolutely no irony intended).

You rock.


actually i dont see this as anything other than a Dom looking after his sub, in the same way he might rub her back or soothe her bum after a spanking of some sort - that is the act of one human being being concerned for another another human being and isnt the same as SocNot is trying to explore.  if a guy was so uptight about himself that he couldnt do this for fear of seeming undominant then he'd have to be some sort of asshat.

i got through about four pages of this shite and had to flip to the end.

if my Dominant wanted me to sit as he knelt before me and thanked me for being me i would probably be uncomfortable, but i would sit through it because it was something he wanted to do.  therefore i would submit to it.  it wouldnt mess with our dynamic at all, but it would tip things upside in my head while he did.  why? - because that sort of focus on ME is uncomfortable - the discomfort as IB says would be all mine, id hide it and id survive.

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RE: Kneeling before slaves - 6/18/2010 11:53:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		if i say to my Master to kneel before me, Gosh, i gonna be in big trouble,  hehehe, He is gonna kneel but over my head

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RE: Kneeling before slaves - 6/18/2010 6:41:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		I hope he doesn't try kneeling before me. At our age it isn't that easy to stand back up. He is strong enough to help me stand again but I'm not strong enough to get him back up.

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RE: Kneeling before slaves - 6/18/2010 7:03:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		He kneels before me quite often....so I can massage his shoulders.


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RE: Kneeling before slaves - 6/18/2010 8:32:36 PM   
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ORIGINAL: leadership527

And for Carol and I, the context does not allow for any other outcome.


Bingo, along with pretty much everything else you've said on this thread.

Yes, the man has knelt to me, for various reasons.  Once, to tell me something intimate and important.  Sometimes, to reach areas to play with.  On occasion while I have been kneeling to him, he lowered himself to his own knees to kneel with me, hold me, kiss me, and to be a part of the moment that was taking place.

We live by his rules, not by anyone else's rules.  He doesn't need to avoid certain positions or actions in order to remain my authority, or so I see him in a Masterly-Man light.  I know who he is as a man.  I know his character.  I can't help but love, obey, admire and submit to him. 

He doesn't have to "demand" I accept this or any other position from him.  I accept him, and that's enough.


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RE: Kneeling before slaves - 6/18/2010 8:35:22 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SocratesNot

If I were Master I would demand my slave to kneel before me.
However, after that, I would order her to sit in the chair and to allow me to kneel before her.
Yes, I would kneel before her, and I would demand her to accept this gesture.
This would be my symbol of my love, devotion and respect toward her,
this would be my acknowledgment of how much I love her and how much I appreciate her love, service and obedience.
I am the Master, I am the one who decides.
So, allowing me to kneel before her, would be an explicit order for her.
By this gesture I would like to exalt her for all that she is to me, and I would demand the acceptance of this gesture.

I know, I am weird.

But, I want to ask slaves here, if your Master strictly ordered you to accept his gesture of kneeling before you, would you obey?

If you can not obey such a simple command that does not cause any damage whatsoever, how can you call yourself a submissive, or even slave?


Easy, you just do.  Probably has something to do with the fact that no one is PERFECT at anything.

Socrates, here is something else for you to ponder... In your opinion, what if  a Dominant decided to instruct his submissive to straddle his face so he could drink her urine? What effect would that act have on the D/s dynamic?


< Message edited by BossyShoeBitch -- 6/18/2010 9:22:30 PM >

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RE: Kneeling before slaves - 6/19/2010 1:23:17 AM   
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ORIGINAL: littlewonder

He kneels before me quite often....so I can massage his shoulders.




damn, that was my input...

well other than there were some odd "The King and I" flashbacks of the king sitting down and going lower and lower, and everyone else in turn keeping their head lower than the king's...thank you Rogers and Hammerstein...i wonder if "Ana and the King" had a similar scene...

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RE: Kneeling before slaves - 6/19/2010 1:28:40 AM   
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RE: Kneeling before slaves - 6/19/2010 1:34:39 AM   
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ORIGINAL: NuevaVida

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ORIGINAL: leadership527

And for Carol and I, the context does not allow for any other outcome.


Bingo, along with pretty much everything else you've said on this thread.

Yes, the man has knelt to me, for various reasons.  Once, to tell me something intimate and important.  Sometimes, to reach areas to play with.  On occasion while I have been kneeling to him, he lowered himself to his own knees to kneel with me, hold me, kiss me, and to be a part of the moment that was taking place.

We live by his rules, not by anyone else's rules.  He doesn't need to avoid certain positions or actions in order to remain my authority, or so I see him in a Masterly-Man light.  I know who he is as a man.  I know his character.  I can't help but love, obey, admire and submit to him. 

He doesn't have to "demand" I accept this or any other position from him.  I accept him, and that's enough.



it might be just me, but i see all of those things as lovely - intimate, closeness and everything  ( actually it gave me a warm ahhh moment) - but with respect i still dont see a correllation with this and a guy kneeling infront of me to thank me for being me (oh and by the way, i wasnt the one who said id find it impossible or whatever) and i wouldnt find it impossible, but i would find it uncomfortable.

now if he was kneeling to share a moment, kneeling to get in a bit closer to do something or just kneeling to give me a hug i wouldnt even think about it - but kneeling infront of me, looking into my eyes and saying 'i want to honour you for being my woman' that brings out an eek in me.  maybe its just me and this other woman, but im putting my hand up here and saying i would find that uncomfortable.

if he gave me a bunch of flowers and a hug and said 'these are to honour you for being you' id be fine with that - so now i have to go away and work out why im being so anal

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RE: Kneeling before slaves - 6/19/2010 1:41:46 AM   
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ORIGINAL: laurell3

Chelle! Where you been woman? Good to see you!


spending massive amounts of time with the Man...well not the Man, man...but my Master...umm anyway...i am up washing rope for the play party tomor..err tonight...gotta help with the food prep after i wake up...so i won't have time during the day...glad to see you're back too, i have been lurking...

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RE: Kneeling before slaves - 6/19/2010 4:00:05 AM   
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RE: Kneeling before slaves - 6/19/2010 6:28:35 AM   
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Even the Gods knelt before Buddha to ask him to teach the world.

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RE: Kneeling before slaves - 6/19/2010 6:59:00 AM   
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Does he share you?

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RE: Kneeling before slaves - 6/19/2010 8:33:25 AM   
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now if he was kneeling to share a moment, kneeling to get in a bit closer to do something or just kneeling to give me a hug i wouldnt even think about it - but kneeling infront of me, looking into my eyes and saying 'i want to honour you for being my woman' that brings out an eek in me.  maybe its just me and this other woman, but im putting my hand up here and saying i would find that uncomfortable.


There was a time I would have felt the same, but I no longer do.  If the Man wishes to express himself in such a way, who am I to feel he is wrong?  I accept him, just as he accepts me, and all my quirky ways of expressing myself.

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if he gave me a bunch of flowers and a hug and said 'these are to honour you for being you' id be fine with that - so now i have to go away and work out why im being so anal


LOL well the last time he gave me flowers my cat ate them and ended up in ICU for 4 days with near kidney failure from toxic poisoning.  So I can bet my ass I'll never get flowers again. 


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