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RE: the beauty of brattiness and sarcasm - 6/20/2010 1:33:40 PM   
ranja


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RE: the beauty of brattiness and sarcasm - 6/20/2010 1:35:19 PM   
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it seems to me that us brats do like a bit of bashing at times



THAT is a huge generalization and one that alot of people would disagree with.

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RE: the beauty of brattiness and sarcasm - 6/20/2010 1:35:59 PM   
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I am understanding playful brats.
I do agree about the immature self-centric behaviour.
Is that not seeking attention?
I am glad I am not the first one to have written the words.



Yes, brattiness can be seen as attention-seeking behavior. As can many other forms of "acting out". The concept of "even negative attention is better than no attention" comes to mind. For this reason, many subs do not like corner time - it is the absence of attention. Actively addressing "bratty" behavior is still providing attention, and in some sense a reinforcement of the behavior, not to mention being quite tiresome.
But again, as many have said, and I agree, part of this is the context in which the behavior occurs and the dynamic between the two parties engaging in the behavior.

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RE: the beauty of brattiness and sarcasm - 6/20/2010 1:36:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		i think its perfectly reasonable for someone to read a thing literally and then question it.  ive always assumed though that the brattyness written about on profiles is all about them saying, im a bratt so look out because im not about to make youre life any easier.  its throwing the gauntlet down and making a challenge.  so fine thats their idea of Dominance but i doubt very much that those people have much idea what submission actually is.

people here are rightly defending their spirited fun relationships, but all of them have said that they would never do this in a way that would hurt or upset their Dom.  so to be honest i dont see that as bratty at all.  i just see that as messing about and having some fun with the authority in their life.  which ill admit i find amusing too

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RE: the beauty of brattiness and sarcasm - 6/20/2010 1:36:09 PM   
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RE: the beauty of brattiness and sarcasm - 6/20/2010 1:44:58 PM   
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.Yes, brattiness can be seen as attention-seeking behavior. As can many other forms of "acting out". The concept of "even negative attention is better than no attention" comes to mind. For this reason, many subs do not like corner time - it is the absence of attention. Actively addressing "bratty" behavior is still providing attention, and in some sense a reinforcement of the behavior, not to mention being quite tiresome.
But again, as many have said, and I agree, part of this is the context in which the behavior occurs and the dynamic between the two parties engaging in the behavior.


ah! - now this suddenly reminded me of a sub at a munch i once went to.  she was sitting at a table with a massive pout and cloud over her head, each time her Dominant attempted to engage her in conversation or attend to her at all, shed just shrug and pout even more.  so in the end he left her to it. she spent the entire evening sitting there in a mood all by herself.  at the time i thought, newbie that i was, that he was letting her get away with it, but actually of course he wasnt, he just wasnt pandering to her.



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RE: the beauty of brattiness and sarcasm - 6/20/2010 1:49:02 PM   
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ah! - now this suddenly reminded me of a sub at a munch i once went to.  she was sitting at a table with a massive pout and cloud over her head, each time her Dominant attempted to engage her in conversation or attend to her at all, shed just shrug and pout even more.  so in the end he left her to it. she spent the entire evening sitting there in a mood all by herself.  at the time i thought, newbie that i was, that he was letting her get away with it, but actually of course he wasnt, he just wasnt pandering to her.




i wouldn't call that being bratty, i would call that being sulky

i agree that being a brat or behaving in a bratty sort of way is a form of attention seeking, but so is asking a polite question.

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RE: the beauty of brattiness and sarcasm - 6/20/2010 1:57:54 PM   
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ah! - now this suddenly reminded me of a sub at a munch i once went to.  she was sitting at a table with a massive pout and cloud over her head, each time her Dominant attempted to engage her in conversation or attend to her at all, shed just shrug and pout even more.  so in the end he left her to it. she spent the entire evening sitting there in a mood all by herself.  at the time i thought, newbie that i was, that he was letting her get away with it, but actually of course he wasnt, he just wasnt pandering to her.





I don't see this is bratty behavior. Nor do I see the dom allowing her to get away with anything.

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RE: the beauty of brattiness and sarcasm - 6/20/2010 2:07:35 PM   
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ah! - now this suddenly reminded me of a sub at a munch i once went to.  she was sitting at a table with a massive pout and cloud over her head, each time her Dominant attempted to engage her in conversation or attend to her at all, shed just shrug and pout even more.  so in the end he left her to it. she spent the entire evening sitting there in a mood all by herself.  at the time i thought, newbie that i was, that he was letting her get away with it, but actually of course he wasnt, he just wasnt pandering to her.





I don't see this is bratty behavior. Nor do I see the dom allowing her to get away with anything.


so ok, what is bratty to you -

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RE: the beauty of brattiness and sarcasm - 6/20/2010 2:16:01 PM   
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so ok, what is bratty to you -


Scenerio: I am the laundry mat and these kids are running around. They ignore the attendant when she asks them to stop running inside. They then take the baskets on wheels and start ramming them into each other. Then they begin to climb in and out of the carts turning them over on their sides ect. Their mother never said a word them, not even when the attendant spoke to them. That is bratty behavior IMO and that is someone letting someone act like a brat and misbehave IMO.

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RE: the beauty of brattiness and sarcasm - 6/20/2010 2:18:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm sure we could find lots of definitions of what a brat is and what sarcasm looks like. I for one agree with this and this

I tend to agree with these definitions. Neither one are too appealing in my opinion.




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RE: the beauty of brattiness and sarcasm - 6/20/2010 2:19:39 PM   
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so ok, what is bratty to you -


Scenerio: I am the laundry mat and these kids are running around. They ignore the attendant when she asks them to stop running inside. They then take the baskets on wheels and start ramming them into each other. Then they begin to climb in and out of the carts turning them over on their sides ect. Their mother never said a word them, not even when the attendant spoke to them. That is bratty behavior IMO and that is someone letting someone act like a brat and misbehave IMO.


Just to chime in a bit I'd also call that poor parenting.

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RE: the beauty of brattiness and sarcasm - 6/20/2010 2:22:19 PM   
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THAT is my point. Sarcasism, brattiness, playfulness, ect are based on personalal perceptions and judgements. So what is bratty to you or sarcastic to you or even the OP isn't to others. And I when I speak of me as a brat it is me being playful, like poking at EDQ2's ribs or stealing his boxers when he is trying to get ready to go back to work or things of that naturel. Lol

Exactly... and I honestly get that some folks like to spin endless games of semantics and labels, but I'm not one of them. What I care about is what *I* see about someone. They can use whatever words they want to describe themselves and it won't change my interpretation of what I'm seeing and whether or not I find it acceptable within my circle of friends.

What is probably worth noting though for anyone who is actually looking for a partner is that words do in fact matter then. For instance, anyone who used the words "slave" and "bratty" in the same profile would be automatically skipped over by me unless I also knew their persona from the boards. In the absence of anything else, I can only apply the meanings that I actually have. For this reason, it'd make sense in my mind to spell things out in pictures rather than use a word like "bratty" in my profile.

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RE: the beauty of brattiness and sarcasm - 6/20/2010 2:24:00 PM   
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so ok, what is bratty to you -


Scenerio: I am the laundry mat and these kids are running around. They ignore the attendant when she asks them to stop running inside. They then take the baskets on wheels and start ramming them into each other. Then they begin to climb in and out of the carts turning them over on their sides ect. Their mother never said a word them, not even when the attendant spoke to them. That is bratty behavior IMO and that is someone letting someone act like a brat and misbehave IMO.


no, thats just kids being kids with a lame parent in attendance - im asking what bratty is to you with regard to Ds or Ms since you dont feel that the sub sitting there dismissing her Master was.

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RE: the beauty of brattiness and sarcasm - 6/20/2010 2:32:36 PM   
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i agree that being a brat or behaving in a bratty sort of way is a form of attention seeking, but so is asking a polite question.


How so, Ranja? Asking a question *to me* does not rise to the level of attention seeking behavior in the same way I define brattiness.

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RE: the beauty of brattiness and sarcasm - 6/20/2010 2:39:51 PM   
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i agree that being a brat or behaving in a bratty sort of way is a form of attention seeking, but so is asking a polite question.


How so, Ranja? Asking a question *to me* does not rise to the level of attention seeking behavior in the same way I define brattiness.


i guess if you concede that if bratty is being used in a playful way then its the same as asking a polite question.  but here is a perfect example really of how we read 'being a brat or behaving in a bratty way' negatively.  i did too to start with, it made me blink a bit.  so really its the word that is negative not always the intended action.

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RE: the beauty of brattiness and sarcasm - 6/20/2010 3:09:23 PM   
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so ok, what is bratty to you -


Scenerio: I am the laundry mat and these kids are running around. They ignore the attendant when she asks them to stop running inside. They then take the baskets on wheels and start ramming them into each other. Then they begin to climb in and out of the carts turning them over on their sides ect. Their mother never said a word them, not even when the attendant spoke to them. That is bratty behavior IMO and that is someone letting someone act like a brat and misbehave IMO.


no, thats just kids being kids with a lame parent in attendance - im asking what bratty is to you with regard to Ds or Ms since you dont feel that the sub sitting there dismissing her Master was.



See I disagree. I don't buy into the whole kids will be kids excuse. That is being bratty and disrespectful IMO. And very much poor parenting IMO. Although I tend to think bratty uncontrolled children grow into bratty uncontrolled adults.

As far as D/s dynamics the same kind of behavior can and often is carried about by grown women and men as described as above. Where they know they shouldn't do something, are told they need to stop but cotinue anyways simply b/c they can. Where they have no disregard for others weather it be their dom/ owner, ect or simply strangers at a function. THAT is being a disrespectful brat IMO. I don't think someone sitting alone and not interacting or sulking (your word not mine) is the same thing as being bratty. Nor do i see her dom the same as i see the passive parent described above.



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RE: the beauty of brattiness and sarcasm - 6/20/2010 3:20:41 PM   
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RE: the beauty of brattiness and sarcasm - 6/20/2010 3:22:10 PM   
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Call it what you will, I would have no tolerance for either the kids, nor the submissive



What about the bratty Dom/me? Lol

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RE: the beauty of brattiness and sarcasm - 6/20/2010 3:35:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think this Brat vs not-brat discussion is always stupid because no one will ever see each other's side.

If a girl is happy being bratty(even really extremely bratty) and so is the master, then no one should butt in and tell them they are stupid, uninteligent, without manners, disrespectful, whatever.
It's just a way of being. Two people can love each other, even if they are bratty.

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