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RE: the beauty of brattiness and sarcasm - 6/20/2010 3:41:20 PM

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I think this Brat vs not-brat discussion is always stupid because no one will ever see each other's side.

If a girl is happy being bratty(even really extremely bratty) and so is the master, then no one should butt in and tell them they are stupid, uninteligent, without manners, disrespectful, whatever.
It's just a way of being. Two people can love each other, even if they are bratty.

To a degree I agree. There is no one true way only the way that works for the individual people. However, I know that as much as EDQ2 loves my playfulness and sarcasm if I started to get mod spanked or he started getting email complaints about my behavior on here he would check my posts and actions quickly. The reality is my actions reflect him and although he doesn't allow others to determine OUR boundaries, others may not be so accepting our my playfulness or sarcasm and I am very aware that it may reflect badly on him in some peoples eyes. Just like the behavior or a bratty child reflects on the parent.

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RE: the beauty of brattiness and sarcasm - 6/20/2010 3:57:35 PM

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I think this Brat vs not-brat discussion is always stupid because no one will ever see each other's side.

If a girl is happy being bratty(even really extremely bratty) and so is the master, then no one should butt in and tell them they are stupid, uninteligent, without manners, disrespectful, whatever.
It's just a way of being. Two people can love each other, even if they are bratty.

To a degree I agree. There is no one true way only the way that works for the individual people. However, I know that as much as EDQ2 loves my playfulness and sarcasm if I started to get mod spanked or he started getting email complaints about my behavior on here he would check my posts and actions quickly. The reality is my actions reflect him and although he doesn't allow others to determine OUR boundaries, others may not be so accepting our my playfulness or sarcasm and I am very aware that it may reflect badly on him in some peoples eyes. Just like the behavior or a bratty child reflects on the parent.

Well having common courtesy in public is a given ^^ . I mean, not that I care. But it's one own's choice whether they want to deal with a bunch of angry people or not. If they don't mind, then they will extend their brattyness in public. If they a bit more reserved, they will keep it in private or with people who understand them and accept them as they are.

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RE: the beauty of brattiness and sarcasm - 6/20/2010 3:59:31 PM

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Call it what you will, I would have no tolerance for either the kids, nor the submissive

What about the bratty Dom/me? Lol

Ohhhhhno, that's not being bratty, that's our birthright!

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RE: the beauty of brattiness and sarcasm - 6/20/2010 4:02:54 PM

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I find that most people living real life relationships in a real life world tend to allow people real life emotions and actions.

Succinct.
To the point.
Spot on.

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RE: the beauty of brattiness and sarcasm - 6/20/2010 4:06:06 PM

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I think it could be a case of 'strength requiring strength'.

so you equate a bratty/push-back personality with strength, and a submissive/obedient personality with weakness? just trying to get some clarification...

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RE: the beauty of brattiness and sarcasm - 6/20/2010 4:10:26 PM

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Call it what you will, I would have no tolerance for either the kids, nor the submissive

What about the bratty Dom/me? Lol

Ohhhhhno, that's not being bratty, that's our birthright!

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RE: the beauty of brattiness and sarcasm - 6/20/2010 4:20:45 PM

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ORIGINAL: littlekitten1

I think this Brat vs not-brat discussion is always stupid because no one will ever see each other's side.

If a girl is happy being bratty(even really extremely bratty) and so is the master, then no one should butt in and tell them they are stupid, uninteligent, without manners, disrespectful, whatever.
It's just a way of being. Two people can love each other, even if they are bratty.

To a degree I agree. There is no one true way only the way that works for the individual people. However, I know that as much as EDQ2 loves my playfulness and sarcasm if I started to get mod spanked or he started getting email complaints about my behavior on here he would check my posts and actions quickly. The reality is my actions reflect him and although he doesn't allow others to determine OUR boundaries, others may not be so accepting our my playfulness or sarcasm and I am very aware that it may reflect badly on him in some peoples eyes. Just like the behavior or a bratty child reflects on the parent.

....... and this is the relevant part and why that sub at that munch was behaving badly. she at least didnt turn tables over or diss him in any other way, but her actions against him reflected badly on him and his control of her. she would have known that perfectly well, and yet she continued to be disrespectful knowing it shed poor light on both of them in that situation.

in the end its down to degrees of tolerance i suppose and levels of acceptability. i wasnt the only one to notice that sub, plenty of others did too and it did make him look like she had no respect for him whatsover. clearly he had not given his 'consent' for her to behave in that way, it wasnt amusing for anyone and it made people feel embarrassed for him.

call it bratty, badly behaved, rude, ignorant whatever i dont think it matters.

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RE: the beauty of brattiness and sarcasm - 6/20/2010 4:20:59 PM

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thank you Rose. while understanding playful bratiness, and it seems like you have a grand time, is one type of brattiness, I guess I lumped bad smart ass/brat with the good kind. thank you once again for allowing me to see the difference.

What one dominant sees as bad smart ass, another will see as good. It's entirely how the two of them fit together.

As far as how it goes here, I brat only when I feel secure. When he gets quiet, demure, instantly obedient that's a clear sign I'm feeling very insecure. Some dominants want this in a sub, for others that's a healthy way to behave. For me, it's very unhealth.

As far as the sub being dragged off to a party when she was in a depressed state, I'd say that was her master messing up. He may have assumed it would cheer her up and take her mind off losing her job/hearing an old friend had a terminal cancer/discovering her car needed $2000 for a rebuilt transmission. Some people do cheer up in company, others don't. He should have known her better.

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RE: the beauty of brattiness and sarcasm - 6/20/2010 4:21:12 PM

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I think it could be a case of 'strength requiring strength'.

so you equate a bratty/push-back personality with strength, and a submissive/obedient personality with weakness? just trying to get some clarification...

How about they are just two types of personalities and there's no better than the other? :D

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RE: the beauty of brattiness and sarcasm - 6/20/2010 5:13:10 PM

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No, not exactly (although I realize I'm on quite the slippery slope if I don't answer this correctly).

It is up to the dominant to set the tone for what level of behavior modification is desired from the submissive, be that something approaching total docility or something else.

If the submissive is of a bratty type, or has attention-seeking issues or is prone to disobedience, the dominant has to exhibit whatever tools at their disposal to achieve this goal. If this goal cannot be achieved, then either the dominant was not strong enough, or the submissive is possibly untrainable or doesn't really wish to submit. Certainly a little of both could be the case.

(For what it's worth, the distractions I've been experiencing over the last two hours while trying to respond have caused me to believe that I don't like this response but don't know how to answer any other way at the moment. Obviously I'm a bad dom.)

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RE: the beauty of brattiness and sarcasm - 6/20/2010 5:19:23 PM

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I'm with FetishRose. Master and I have known each other for over 15yrs. He knows and loves what a "smartass/brat" I can be at times. He especially likes seeing how I use the "smartass" side of myself to handle situations with others that are trying to "control" what I do. With Master I can be myself which imo is how things should be. If I were to suddenly become "submissive to the core" He would think I was up to something.

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RE: the beauty of brattiness and sarcasm - 6/20/2010 5:27:21 PM

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He especially likes seeing how I use the "smartass" side of myself to handle situations with others that are trying to "control" what I do. With Master I can be myself which imo is how things should be.

Wouldn't you consider this to be assertiveness and self-expression? I think it is wonderful to be in a relationship where you feel comfortable revealing your full personality.

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RE: the beauty of brattiness and sarcasm - 6/20/2010 5:44:37 PM

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I agree "assertive" is a better word. The other men it's directed at see it as me being a smartass though because things don't go their way. lol

That's one of the things my Master really loves.....He knows what a strong person I am and how in control of myself I am...but, I willingly and lovingly turn over all control to Him and only Him.

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RE: the beauty of brattiness and sarcasm - 6/20/2010 6:19:37 PM

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Actually I think it's a good topic. Too often someone whose brain is pickled with ego on these boards implies that others aren't posting submissively or dominantly. The concept of that escapes me. If you find yourself reacting negatively you may want to consider that everyone isn't you and certainly to the dominants that do this often, they aren't submissive to you, your reaction in my opinion is ridiculous when you attempt to have them act or talk "submissively". Too often people with thin skins interpret anything and everything negatively instead of seeing what's really happening. Sarcasm and humor definitely have a place in life in my opinion.

I think there's a huge difference between being a bratty submissive in regards to interactions with a dominant (which isn't something I would ever do) and having a personality with regard to interactions with the world at large. I have one. It's not changing. I have a voice and a brain as well, that I use. That's not changing either. However, for the right person, I will gladly bite my tongue and follow.

I think one really needs to step away from fantasy land and realize that being submissive to one isn't being submissive to the entire world. We're human beings, not roles. We have the personalities we do. Unless it is absolutely abhorently rude or something effecting the relationship negatively, I can't imagine being in a relationship where someone was foolish enough to think they were going to instill a new personality on someone.

That having been said, I'm perfectly able and willing to stand down and let Him address things in his presence. Hell he can address everything, that's kind of the point isn't it?

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RE: the beauty of brattiness and sarcasm - 6/20/2010 6:29:42 PM

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think there's a huge difference between being a bratty submissive in regards to interactions with a dominant (which isn't something I would ever do) and having a personality with regard to interactions with the world at large. I have one. It's not changing. I have a voice and a brain as well, that I use. That's not changing either. However, for the right person, I will gladly bite my tongue and follow.

I got the impression she was talking about real life interactions... she maybe saw some behavior she thought was unseemingly of someone claiming "submission"....

The thing is when we are on the outside of someone else's relationship we can't tell what it is they are doing and why they are doing it. I do not have strong opinions about what other people do in their relationship, and I cannot fathom why others do?

It kinda goes with that entire One Twue Way of doing it. Perhaps a dominant enjoys watching his sub be a brat.... maybe it is a game they play... who the fuck knows, and I certainly don't care. What does bug me is people who think there is only beauty in the way they do things, and every other way is "thick" ...

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RE: the beauty of brattiness and sarcasm - 6/20/2010 6:31:26 PM

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Fortunatly not every dom out there thinks so.

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Being playful is fine, but being a brat is disrespectful. It all depends on how folks define the two.

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RE: the beauty of brattiness and sarcasm - 6/20/2010 6:32:25 PM

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If the submissive is of a bratty type, or has attention-seeking issues or is prone to disobedience, the dominant has to exhibit whatever tools at their disposal to achieve this goal. If this goal cannot be achieved, then either the dominant was not strong enough, or the submissive is possibly untrainable or doesn't really wish to submit. Certainly a little of both could be the case.

Or the third option, the dom enjoys watching his bratty sub and enjoys disciplining her for her recalcitrant ways... perhaps this hypothetical dom does not share the same goals as other dominants... just a thought

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RE: the beauty of brattiness and sarcasm - 6/20/2010 7:08:56 PM

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No, not exactly (although I realize I'm on quite the slippery slope if I don't answer this correctly).

It is up to the dominant to set the tone for what level of behavior modification is desired from the submissive, be that something approaching total docility or something else.

If the submissive is of a bratty type, or has attention-seeking issues or is prone to disobedience, the dominant has to exhibit whatever tools at their disposal to achieve this goal. If this goal cannot be achieved, then either the dominant was not strong enough, or the submissive is possibly untrainable or doesn't really wish to submit. Certainly a little of both could be the case.

(For what it's worth, the distractions I've been experiencing over the last two hours while trying to respond have caused me to believe that I don't like this response but don't know how to answer any other way at the moment. Obviously I'm a bad dom.)

Jeff

Or he accepts her as she is....odd concept, actually loving someone, faults and all in a relationship...I know.....imagine that.

Yes, that was sarcasm.

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RE: the beauty of brattiness and sarcasm - 6/20/2010 7:54:48 PM

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I'm a strong willed, hard headed little spitfire and it is in my personality to push limits and be provocative.
Quiet frankly I'm not going to straight into a kneel for just anyone.

I like the phrase that someone else put up - Strength needing Strength.
I will kneel and I will submit but only to a man who I think deserves and earns my submission.
Can anyone really appreciate anything that is given away too freely?

If that makes me bratty and sarcastic or if that makes me passionate and fiery then so be it.

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RE: the beauty of brattiness and sarcasm - 6/20/2010 9:49:48 PM

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There's a fine line IMO as far as being a smart ass and being funny.

OK, can you describe the line, define the difference between the two?

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