splorff
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ORIGINAL: vincentML
Well fuck yes I have an agenda. I am trying to point out that Colonial/U.S. history and minority status designate the victim GROUP at the butt of institutional racism.
Point taken Vincent and I agree with you. Such treatment does denigrate the victim group.
It is absurd to suggest any merit to a claim of "reverse racism" in the face of a history of 500 years of black slavery, the horror of the middle crossing, night rider terror against blacks, the Dred Scott Decision, lynchings, prison plantations and chain gangs after the failure of Reconstruction, Jim Crow Laws into Truman's desegregation of the Military, educational discrimination prior to Brown v Topeka Bd of Ed, as well as voting, employment, public facilities, and housing discrimination leading to the 1964 Civil Rights Act.
The injuries you list are truly awful. But there is a good deal of black on white racism now. It’s most obvious expression is violence. Some of the most horrifying acts of barbarism I have ever heard of were instances of black on white violence. In the USA a white man and woman were carjacked, isolated raped and tortured to death over days. We have had a similar event in the UK. I believer similar things happened the other way around during the days of slavery. That was just as barbaric and awful. I am not bothered when it happened, or which way round it was, it is all dreadful.
I am happy to condemn it all. It seems that you are highly critical of one but not the other. Perhaps I have misread you.
I have heard blacks make "cracker" jokes or insults and I am aware that some blacks have committed crimes against individuals just because they are white.
Yes, and their brutality is just as unacceptable as any other
I have been there both as a kid living in urban housing and as an adult in my profession. i am just trying to point out, splorff, that the scales of history and grievious harm tilt heavily against blacks.
I disagree. The jews have suffered dreadfully too, and so have others. The only real difference is the magnitude. Every nation and people have suffered.
So, what I am saying, and this may outrage you ... any denigrating "joke" made by a white with reference to a black is ipso facto by virtue of the history of outrage committed against blacks a racist joke.
I agree, a denigrating joke is an unpleasant act. But I did not tell a denigrating joke. I sought to show that some racist jokes were not racist at all. I think I succeeded in doing that. Some criticism followed, but I do not accept it is valid. Though I am unhappy if anyone were truly offended, which I doubt.
Blacks and Jews have each suffered holocaust and have earned the right to be respected.
I do not believe that people have to have suffered holocaust to earn the right to be respected. Surely all should be respected.
There is no respect in racist jokes.
I believe there is no disrespect in the joke I gave. It is just a pun.
White folk do not have such historical credentials. As a GROUP the historic travails of white christians/atheists pale into insignificance.
Yes they do, as do the Orientals. History is littered with vile human behaviour.
My Celtic ancestors were killed in their thousands by the Romans for daring to defend their families and homes. Male survivors were caged and taken to Rome for sport, to be crucified in arenas, or thrown to lions. The women, cock fodder for the legions.
Just recently in the UK a Roman building has been unearthed. It is believed to have been a brothel for Roman soldiers. The victims probably were Celtic women slaves. The skeletons of many tiny babies have been found, all murdered at birth– an inconvenience.
All people have suffered at the hands of others in the past. I am not going to carp on endlessly about Romans, or demand victim status, or reparations.
It is well to remember the past as some have said, but we must live in the present.
Sorry if I am a party pooper, bro. Just the way I see it.
No you are no party pooper. And I enjoy your posts. I just wish they were a little more balanced. But hey, this is collar me, and not some weighty forum
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RE: Racist Jokes ? - 
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Well try it again maybe you will get one next time. 
. I actually said that it can be used for peoples of african and asian decent, not that it applies equally. In other words, the colour of a persons skin does not determine if a person is clasified as 'Caucasoid'. This means that a so called joke that uses the word 'caucasoid' or such a derivative, cannot be used just for those of white skin. Negro is a word that determines a persons colour. If you understand where words derive from, you would understand that this is an important distinction. Negro comes from the word 'black', not from the word Negroid. 'Racism' is a pretty erroneous term really anyway, but I'm not gonna digress into that unless necessary. 
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