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Did Jesus die in vain ? - 6/26/2010 8:56:39 AM

Aneirin

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A strong subject I know, and one that undoubtedly will upset some and bring out the worst in others, but it is a question I am wondering about following on from a reply to a posting I made on another thread. For me to understand, I ask questions and with that no question is taboo for I believe why live in ignorance for fear of saying the wrong thing as perceived by others, as even during a debate many can take understanding from the wise and reasoned words of others when they become available.

Ok, so carrying on from my title, which was going to be a reply on another thread but I thought the reply warranted it's own understanding ;

Given that it is said that Jesus died for our sins, I have to ask what was considered our sins and since Jesus died for our sins, have we repented our sins in reverence for Jesus's teachings ?

Searching elsewhere I am finding sin is defined as disobeying God, but if it is a case of disobeying God, what laws has God created that could be disobeyed ? ( Although of the region at that time of antiquity sin was also a pagan moon god honoured by many, of whatever ethnicity until Christianity and Islam divided the people).

So how can one disobey God, well, searching again I am coming up with the ten comandments revealed by Moses on mt Sinai, all of which are very worthy, but I do understand various sects have reinterpreted even those to fit their own image of God through history, but the essence appears to be much the same.

But of the ten comandments as it is said God revealed to Moses as being the law of god, so I am understanding to disobey God one has to break the commandments.

Jesus I understand was born to teach the word of God and forgive us our sins, thus indicating that the people were not holding to the commandments even then or else why come and remind the people ?

Now some two thousand odd years on a new religion has been formed based on the teachings of God and Jesus which tend to teach the law of God as a means to better ourselves, but if that law is based upon the ten comandments as revealed to Moses, why is it those who profess to be Christians still break the laws of God, were they unrealistic laws, or is the word of God not strong enough to overcome human instinct.

For example, post 9/11, Bush quoting God and lets wage war, kill, destroy and everything else that comes with it, similarly Blair also quoting God just before forces are sent to kill and destroy, so what does this say about Christaianity and what is pertinent today what other religions understand about Christianity.

But back to Jesus it is said that he died on the cross to forgive us our sins, now I take that as past sins and future sins in which case why bother for the words are empty, it is basically saying go for it, sin all you like because know this you are forgiven whatever you do, which goes against the commandments as revealed by God to Moses.

Now if Jesus was sent to get the people back into the right way of thinking and acting, what went wrong, did he in fact die in vain as it has not worked, that is pretty obvious, we are just as bad now as we have ever been, perhaps even more so given our technology and insistance we have God on our side when we wage war.

But of Jesus and God, God gives laws to abide by, Jesus forgives us our sins, the two are different giving rise to the thought that perhaps God and Jesus were two different ideas which somehow merged into what we have today. Unless Jesus came for the people then for what they did and by that token we are perhaps due another visit by another messenger from God, if it is we have not yet had that time and again through history since.

But as to those that readily engage in breaking the commandments, i.e. those that break the law of God, they in fact could be described as ungodly and this goes for those that fight and kill, soldiers even, they are breaking the laws of God in what they do but in comes Jesus and forgives it all.

So, what's the point in Christainity, as to me it appears to be a contradiction and there a free for all, a do as you like scenario, which is hardly a guide for moral living.

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