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RE: When being smart can be a curse. - 8/8/2010 9:08:55 AM   
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Is it possible that people use their intelligence as a self-defense mechanism (like any other barrier) to prevent them from forming relationships?

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RE: When being smart can be a curse. - 8/8/2010 9:31:01 AM   
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Pitfalls regarding being an intelligent slave. I would say the biggest potential 'pitfall' for the 'Master would be that he is going to need a lot more patience to get to the deeper levels of submission than he might with a lesser intelligent slave. For me, I need to be able to trust your intelligence and judgement. That takes time. It take a very good track record of you showing me you know what you're doing (in terms of life in general ... not just in our relationship). Leonidas on this site once wrote how a slavegirl needs to be sure she is 'better off with her Master than without Him). Most intelligent women that I know are not easily impressed.

Now, if a girl is questioning every little thing you ask her to do (ie. including task-oriented things such as doing some laundry or dusting the living room)... than as a Master, I'd probably have a problem with that and that would simply need to change like pronto. But beyond that, I would say a Master needs to prove his ability to think through things, use good judgement, make sound decisions, assess how things are going after he has implemented his decisions, and be willing to re-think and re-do if things aren't going well. I think great leaders have great followers that are devoted to their success. An intelligent, loyal and devoted slave is a Master's strongest asset... and if he is too proud (or foolish) to use that to his advantage... well, to me, he's just proven that he's really not that smart.

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RE: When being smart can be a curse. - 8/8/2010 9:41:16 AM   
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Is it possible that people use their intelligence as a self-defense mechanism (like any other barrier) to prevent them from forming relationships?

Jeff


Definitely possible. Whether it's an excuse borne out of a desire not to partner or loosely based on a bad experience that becomes "every man will think this way because 'x' happened" is hard to determine without additional information.

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RE: When being smart can be a curse. - 8/8/2010 9:58:55 AM   
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I think being smart most definitely can be a curse. I find it difficult to meet men who are into intelligent women. Oh, they SAY they want that, but most men I speak to are truly insecure and find it threatening to deal with a strong, smart woman.


I'm reading a book now that discusses this subject and the other things men find unappealing when dating. In regard to what you've mentioned, they expressed an appreciation for the intelligence but its communication was typically the problem. They perceived comments as challenges, an attempt to take control, and matter of fact remarks as devoid of nurturing to name a few. It was suggested that the "Boss Lady" would find an ideal counterpart in a male partner with a different demeanor. The author admitted that is typically the opposite of what she pursues. She's generally attracted to more aggressive men which inevitably leads to personality clashes.

Finding intelligent men is easy, it's the packaging you have to be mindful of when you have the attributes you've shared. Although I haven't finished the book I can use my male associations as a good example of what she's conveying. Two people come to mind. Both are intelligent but their countenance is not combative. They're easy going men and that's probably why we get along. But I wouldn't date either. The men I like are more like myself and I've learned through trial and error what aspects must be tempered to sustain harmony.

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They tend to be awed out of the gate but then get very angry when that intelligence is ever expressed at a time they do not want to hear it or it is expressed as a communication that they don't want to engage in. At first they like it, because it gives them a reason to try and conquer a woman they perceive as being smarter than them. But then that usually changes during the course of the relationship.


It's their ego which is something you really can't change. You work around it or avoid those types at all costs. I do the latter.

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If I don't know something, I will try and find out about it and if someone I am with knows something I don't I am open to learning about it. I don't get angry.


You have a zest for learning. I've discovered that isn't true for everyone. One of the things I often looked for in a partner was someone well versed in things I didn't know. We learned from the other.

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I am actually shocked by how many men are scared by smart women; I have seen it over and over again with me and my circle of friends where the men turned on the women they claimed to respect for their brains. In the end, they seemed to want something less challenging.


I think this goes beyond intelligence. The author noted male opinions about women they perceived as very attractive and a similar sentiment was expressed. They believed her to more difficult and self centered than someone with less aesthetic appeal. Much of this hinges on personal preference, security, and insecurity in some instances. I don't believe all men think in this manner, but I suspect more than a few harbor ideas along those lines. However, there are wonderful exceptions and plenty that would eagerly take a beautiful woman with a bountiful brain. I've encountered a few in my lifetime.

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RE: When being smart can be a curse. - 8/8/2010 9:59:54 AM   
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ORIGINAL: mstrjx

Is it possible that people use their intelligence as a self-defense mechanism (like any other barrier) to prevent them from forming relationships?

Jeff


I used to...

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RE: When being smart can be a curse. - 8/8/2010 10:03:00 AM   
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When being smart can be a curse


I used to think this. I also used to be 22.

Then it occurred to me that if I was so fucking smart, I could figure out a way to deal with the matter successfully.

So I got creative instead of whining about my fate, and my career and life has been happy climbing ever since.


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RE: When being smart can be a curse. - 8/8/2010 10:04:43 AM   
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My IQ is higher than his, but he is a lot better at a multitude of things. Honestly so long as someone can hold an intelligent conversation they don't need to match or supercede my IQ.

Does that mean it is more difficult for me to find someone? I don't think so, it is simply one line in my list of criteria that needs to be fulfilled for me to be fulfilled. I've plenty of less than bright friends, each one connects with me in a different way. To be more than friends I need more connections.

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RE: When being smart can be a curse. - 8/8/2010 10:07:20 AM   
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In my experience it is seldom a surplus of intelligence which causes problems but rather a lack of wisdom. Hence my running statement that I'd trade 10 IQ points for 1 wisdom point any day of the week.

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RE: When being smart can be a curse. - 8/8/2010 10:18:56 AM   
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My IQ is higher than his, but he is a lot better at a multitude of things. Honestly so long as someone can hold an intelligent conversation they don't need to match or supercede my IQ.


IQ tests are not a measure of intellect in my experience. In fact they are notoriously culturally biased

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RE: When being smart can be a curse. - 8/8/2010 11:26:09 AM   
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IQ has nothing to do with this discussion..

The reason as I have stated before for starting this topic was that a female posted in her journal that she had problems with letting her mind relax in certain situations..She related this to over analyzing things. I beleive her to be an intelligent person so I wondered if this was somehow related to intelligence in some way and to those who...Like myself tend to think things to death.

Despite what anyone says to the contrary, it does happen. I've seen it in my own personal relationships at one time or another and others have stated it's truth for them as well.

If a person is going to tout and open mind then it floors me how they can't see a wider range of possibilities. Know what I mean?


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RE: When being smart can be a curse. - 8/8/2010 11:30:53 AM   
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When being smart can be a curse


I used to think this. I also used to be 22.

Then it occurred to me that if I was so fucking smart, I could figure out a way to deal with the matter successfully.

So I got creative instead of whining about my fate, and my career and life has been happy climbing ever since.



Nobody is saying anything about that as far as this discussion is concerned. Whether or not people have had encounters with it personally and what they thought on the subject based on experience with it.


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RE: When being smart can be a curse. - 8/8/2010 11:41:45 AM   
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Who's to say that you can't be intelligent and very passive which in turn might compliment someone of an aggressive nature.

The idea that a strong intelligent woman equates to being in someones face if they disagree with them isn't a must. I've seen just as many strong intelligent woman who were quiet and soft spoken. Yet they still were able to get their point across.

Without condescending or aggressiveness or any other forceful ways about them.

Strength can mean passivity as well as aggressiveness. Depends on what your open to seeing.

To add: I'm a very aggressive person..The right personality for me and the one I tend to "relax" more and at a faster rate around is someone who's passive(A sweet woman melts me a tad...I admit it). If someones in my face telling me how it's going to go..welllll that just isn't going to go over well...Especially since I'm the one in charge. Even if it's not a dynamic..I'm far less likely to want to hear your crap if you are flapping those jaws.


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RE: When being smart can be a curse. - 8/8/2010 11:47:11 AM   
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i wouldn't be alive today if i wasn't able to use my head to get out of bad situations. no, being intelligent is never a curse it's a survival tool.

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RE: When being smart can be a curse. - 8/8/2010 11:57:16 AM   
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I beleive her to be an intelligent person so I wondered if this was somehow related to intelligence in some way and to those who...Like myself tend to think things to death.
I think you're connecting two dots that shouldn't be connected.

Being intelligent has nothing to do with having a un-disciplined decision making process. There is an exact right moment to make a decision. Some people are good at recognizing that and others are not. Some have the courage of their convictions, others do not. None of that has anything to do with intelligence. At work, we train decision makers on how and when to make decisions.

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RE: When being smart can be a curse. - 8/8/2010 12:16:10 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Icarys

Who's to say that you can't be intelligent and very passive which in turn might compliment someone of an aggressive nature.


No one said that and I've always recognized both aspects of strength and expressed this on many occasions.

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To add: I'm a very aggressive person..The right personality for me and the one I tend to "relax" more and at a faster rate around is someone who's passive(A sweet woman melts me a tad...I admit it). If someones in my face telling me how it's going to go..welllll that just isn't going to go over well...Especially since I'm the one in charge. Even if it's not a dynamic..I'm far less likely to want to hear your crap if you are flapping those jaws.


Aggression can play out in many ways. Mine leads to effective execution and financial spoils. I pay little attention to the sort that borders on posturing without something to show for. And that something is tangible not self derived inflation.

Passivity isn't part of my demeanor. If I'm laying back there's a reason. Or the situation simply doesn't require brute force to remedy.

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RE: When being smart can be a curse. - 8/8/2010 12:21:42 PM   
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"Use your intelligence for the good of the relationship. Use it and find a way to submit instead of using it to justify a way out of it"
Some of the most intelligent people i know do not have an ounce of common sense. Some of the most sensible people can be said to have limited intelligence

I would rather deal with the sensible ones, personally.

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RE: When being smart can be a curse. - 8/8/2010 12:27:45 PM   
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The op reads as though he wants the sub to talk herself out of accepting reality and start believing a fiction told to her. If I'm talking myself out the door, it isn't because I'm too smart, instead it's because I shouldn't be there.

Lots of men claim they want smart women, but my experience is otherwise. They might not mind if she's smart in other areas of her life but they want her to judge them by what they say and not what they do.


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RE: When being smart can be a curse. - 8/8/2010 12:30:35 PM   
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I beleive her to be an intelligent person so I wondered if this was somehow related to intelligence in some way and to those who...Like myself tend to think things to death.
I think you're connecting two dots that shouldn't be connected.

Being intelligent has nothing to do with having a un-disciplined decision making process. There is an exact right moment to make a decision. Some people are good at recognizing that and others are not. Some have the courage of their convictions, others do not. None of that has anything to do with intelligence. At work, we train decision makers on how and when to make decisions.

Who says they shouldn't be connected. It may be just a coincidence that they were present or it may not be.

You meant to say optimum not right, right?


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RE: When being smart can be a curse. - 8/8/2010 12:33:02 PM   
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The op reads as though he wants the sub to talk herself out of accepting reality and start believing a fiction told to her. If I'm talking myself out the door, it isn't because I'm too smart, instead it's because I shouldn't be there.

Lots of men claim they want smart women, but my experience is otherwise. They might not mind if she's smart in other areas of her life but they want her to judge them by what they say and not what they do.


As usual Des your reading into what isn't there because I think you have issues with it somehow.. Who said anything about someone being ready to go out a door?


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RE: When being smart can be a curse. - 8/8/2010 12:34:21 PM   
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"Use your intelligence for the good of the relationship. Use it and find a way to submit instead of using it to justify a way out of it"
Some of the most intelligent people i know do not have an ounce of common sense. Some of the most sensible people can be said to have limited intelligence

I would rather deal with the sensible ones, personally.


This is true as would I.


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