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onlylocalsneeded -> RE: Defining Gender: No Wrong Answer (8/14/2010 5:33:58 PM)
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Definition of gender, as it relates to humans:
2 a : sex <the feminine gender> b : the behavioral, cultural, or psychological traits typically associated with one sex
Therefore the traits of gender are used to help you determine which SEX the person is, and the sex is biological. So, yes, indeed, what the persons biological nature is by genitalia and other characteristics, determine what their gender is, regardless of what their mind is telling them.
In the case of, say, that woman runner who had all the problems, she was mostly woman, she had women's genitalia and she identified as a woman, so by all standards that humans, down through the ages, could have used to determine her gender, she was female.
My daughter has a friend who is a hermaphrodite and people are trying to force "him" to remain a man because they chose "his" gender for "him" shortly after birth. "He" at a young age was trained to act like a boy, dress like a boy, and everything was fine until puberty struck and "his" boobs started growing in and "his" period started. "He" wants to be a woman, and "his" family is threatening to disown "him" if "he" gets a sex change.
Now, "he" will be a manly looking woman, because they pumped "him" full of male hormones and had "his" breast buds cut out and basically mutilated what would have been a perfectly fine young lady who would have gladly chosen to have her penis removed instead. "He" had far more characteristics of being female, by nature; but, now "he" looks like a big hairy man with no boobs and no period and no chance of becoming pregnant and "he" dresses like a man and "he" is forced to live as a man. So, by your arguments, "he" is a man, because if you met him, all his characteristics of dress, actions, looks, etc. are manly. Yet "he" wants to be a woman.
Besides which, most of those people who pretend to be women, don't really want to be women. They want to be "feminine" and they sit there, acting as if they have no brain and talking over girly matters and flirting and primping and generally acting like something that real women abhor and are ashamed of being included in their Sex, when it happens more by nature than by plastic surgeon.
Gender is sex, sex is determined by birth - even with hermaphrodites, most of them are more one way than the other, physically.
Mental health and self-acceptance are a total other matter, altogether.
Men who have fake vaginas made are just men with fake vaginas and the men who go out of their way to get T-girls, in whatever stage of change, are homosexuals, not straight men, because T-girls are not, in any way, part of the feminine gender.
Which, that's their business if they want to have fake vaginas or they want to chase after fake vaginas, or whatever. But, I do wish they would stop listing themselves, the T-girls, as women, and, most especially, that the men who will accept T-girls, for whatever purpose, would stop listing themselves as straight as it is a big waste of time for the people who really are straight and who really want to get together with other people who are also straight.
In fact, I think this site should have a total different category for them. Which, uhm, they do for "transgendered" (so please use it, T-girls!) but, they don't for men who are not "straight" or "homosexual" or "bi" because they want nothing to do with penises, and they don't want real vaginas, they want fake ones. They need a "transgender chaser" category for sexuality.
Could also use a "straight, but, fat-aphobic or straight, but, chubby chaser category as well.
But,
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