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Islamophobia in America - 8/20/2010 9:58:41 PM   
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Americans still associate Islam with violence
NEW YORK (Reuters) – The furor over plans to build a Muslim cultural center near the World Trade Center site shows nine years of efforts to separate Islam from association with terrorism have largely failed, experts say.

"I'd take it one step further. I'd say that it's far, far worse today than it was in the immediate aftermath of 9/11," said Reza Aslan, a writer and scholar on religion, using the shorthand for the attacks of September 11, 2001.

Public opinion polls show more than 60 percent of Americans oppose building the proposed Muslim cultural center and mosque two blocks from the site known as "Ground Zero."


I still find it funny that there is so much anti-Islam rhetoric in the news, and surprisingly the about face that some news agencies have made over first supporting the Community Center at 51 Park to condemning the project. The fact that there have been prayer services in the building since November of last year seems to make no difference to anyone.

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"ISLAMOPHOBIA"

Religious scholar Aslan blames "Islamophobia" that he said was being whipped by the Republican Party establishment.

"They are making religious bigotry -- just as they made anti-immigrant sentiment -- part of their political platform," Aslan said. "Democrats in the most cowardly fashion have completely caved in to this challenge."


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Sunnyvale: Man attacked for being Muslim, public safety officers say

Sunnyvale public safety officers are trying to track down two young men who struck someone in the face on a busy street, apparently simply for being a Muslim man who was wearing a black cap and holding a Koran.

He might be the third victim in Santa Clara County this year to fall victim to a reported anti-Muslim crime, according to the county's Office of Human Relations. Last year there were none.

"They asked him if he was Jewish, and when he said, "No, I'm a Muslim,' they told him that was worse, you must be a terrorist," said Capt. Dave Verbrugge, a Sunnyvale Public Safety Department spokesman.


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May 10th. Jacksonville, Florida. A pipe bomb at the Islamic Center of Northeast Florida. The FBI thinks the man in this surveillance video could be the bomber. It went off during evening prayers, and it was powerful enough to send shrapnel flying 100 yards.

Fortunately the bomber didn't know where to place it, so the 60 Muslim worshipers were uninjured. If he'd put it inside and not outside they'd have been dead. And you probably would've heard about it on the news. Or maybe not.


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RE: Islamophobia in America - 8/20/2010 10:16:04 PM   
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RE: Islamophobia in America - 8/21/2010 12:04:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		jlf, it's time for you and me to have a talk. I know we disagree on some things but I think we agree on some core things.

Now first of all realize this, the media is controlled by anti Muslims. Not anti Semites because most of them are Semites. Matters not, like a war between brothers, it can get nasty. But the Jews and the Moslems are of the same people, or at least were at one time. Like two brothers fighting, they really need to go to another planet to have their battle, but that is not possible, and having been born on Earth they have just as much rights here as the rest of us.

The Jews had little or nothing to do with the holy wars and the Moslems had little or nothing to do with some of our other wars. They are actually kin, and they hate one another with a fury they can hardly contain to exist on this planet.

Look at the facts. Who owns most of the major media outlets in this country. It is not that hard to find out. They are sworn enemies with their own brethren who are usually denigrated whenever possible. That actually has been changing, but has nothing to do with what happens behind closed doors.

I already know what's going on and how it will affect me if I am alive. How this affects the whole world might take a bit of time. I'm just at CM to get in touch with humanity, because this is where I found it. Well refound it, whatever.

Islam is not so bad, might not be perfect but are we to cast the first stone ?

The what are we ?

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RE: Islamophobia in America - 8/21/2010 1:40:59 PM   
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The Republicans and conservative right have done more in the last few weeks, if not months, to stir up anti-Muslim sentiment. The problem is that the Democrats and Liberals are letting them get away with it.

What surprised me was the way CNN handled the poll results concerning the growing number of people who believe that President Obama is a Muslim.

They interviewed Franklin Graham who said that the President claimed to be Christian, but his father was Muslim, and the seed of Islam is passed through the father.

There is no "seed of Islam" children choose their religion when they come of age. In truth, President Obama's father was not a practicing Muslim at the time President Obama was born and could have been best described as agnostic.

Again, a member of the religious right and confirmed conservative has done more to cloud the issue than to clarify it.

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RE: Islamophobia in America - 8/21/2010 1:46:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		So there are no Muslim children in the world?????


Bizzaro land ahoy!!!!!!


What do they call the ceremony where Children in Islamic countries choose, at the time of coming to age, what religion they want?


Most Christians get baptized in infancy.



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RE: Islamophobia in America - 8/21/2010 1:55:24 PM   
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So there are no Muslim children in the world?????


Bizzaro land ahoy!!!!!!


What do they call the ceremony where Children in Islamic countries choose, at the time of coming to age, what religion they want?


Most Christians get baptized in infancy.





Most Christians get christened in infancy, which is different than being baptized.

As for Muslims, when they reach adulthood and leave home they are free to choose whether or not they wish to remain Muslim, as is the right of any adult in the world.

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RE: Islamophobia in America - 8/21/2010 2:05:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		I am not anti-Islam but any adult Muslim is free to choose whether they continue being Muslim. Depending on their sect, their family is then free to shun or kill them for their apostasy.

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RE: Islamophobia in America - 8/21/2010 2:07:15 PM   
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Main Entry: chris·ten
Pronunciation: \ˈkri-sən\
Function: transitive verb
Inflected Form(s): chris·tened; chris·ten·ing \ˈkris-niŋ, ˈkri-sə-niŋ\
Etymology: Middle English cristnen, from Old English cristnian, from cristen Christian, from Latin christianus
Date: before 12th century
1 a : baptize 1 b : to name at baptism
2 : to name or dedicate (as a ship) by a ceremony suggestive of baptism
3 : name 1
4 : to use for the first time



3 and 4 have no religous aspect at all, so are obviously not relevant meanings.



They are muslims from birth, and if they are lucky enough to live outside of an Islamic nation they get the right to choose a different religion, if they want.

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RE: Islamophobia in America - 8/21/2010 3:53:18 PM   
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With the exception of Iran, Muslim countries allow the freedom to choose. As has been stated, it is up to the family how to react to someone choosing to not be Muslim.

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RE: Islamophobia in America - 8/21/2010 4:06:26 PM   
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That whole ground zero debate highlighted how a lot of American's see a religion as being a nationality i.e. no American citizen has the right to visit an Islamic faith centre in a certain part of town where other people from that same faith committed an atrocity. The whole of the Islamic faith is portrayed as the enemy; just like the enemy from within mentality that surfaced with the communists. All we haven't had is a missile crisis.

It was very telling I thought.

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RE: Islamophobia in America - 8/21/2010 4:19:31 PM   
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostasy_in_Islam

Yeah its a broad overview from Wiki. Challenge any fact in it you like.

It is sufficent to dispell your claim that Apostasy is only a state law in Iran.


Virtually no Moslem countries allow a freedom of Religion. Again Virtually none grant any other religion equal rigths with Islam.

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RE: Islamophobia in America - 8/21/2010 4:41:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		Turkey, Jordan, Qatar...no the list is so small.

oh oh and Egypt...so few so few.

Pssst Don't go to the Maldives on holiday, they'll never tolerate your western freedoms. I've seen many a tourist beheaded, it isn't pretty.

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RE: Islamophobia in America - 8/21/2010 6:27:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		A christening is the anointing of an infant and the parents promise to raise the child in a christian household.

The practice is sometimes contrasted with what is called "believer's baptism", or credobaptism, from the Latin word credo meaning "I believe," which is the religious practice of baptising only individuals who personally confess faith in Jesus, therefore excluding underaged children.

And the topic is dealing with the rise of Islamophobia in the United States. Many Americans believe, wrongly, that the Muslim faith is based on the goal of killing or converting all the world to Islam. This is a false belief.

Muslims believe all the people of the book will go to heaven.

The three faiths that are mentioned in the Qur'an as people of the book are Judaism, Sabians and Christianity.

In Islam, the Muslim scripture, the Qur'an, is taken to represent the completion of these scriptures, and to synthesize them as God's true, final, and eternal message to humanity. Because the People of the Book recognize the God of Abraham as the one and only god, as do Muslims, and they practice revealed faiths based on divine ordinances, tolerance and autonomy.

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RE: Islamophobia in America - 8/21/2010 7:40:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		Jeff, have you READ the Koran? 

Just wondering.  It is not all puppies and flowers.

[2.190] ...fight in the way of Allah with those who fight with you...[2.191] And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from whence they drove you out, and persecution is severer than slaughter, and do not fight with them at the Sacred Mosque until they fight with you in it, but if they do fight you, then slay them; such is the recompense of the unbelievers.

[9.029] Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.

[33.25] And Allah turned back the unbelievers in their rage; they did not obtain any advantage, and Allah sufficed the believers in fighting; and Allah is Strong, Mighty. [33.26] And He drove down those of the followers of the Book who backed them from their fortresses and He cast awe into their hearts; some [Jews] you killed and you took captive another part. [33.27] And He made you heirs to their [Jewish] land and their dwellings and their property, and (to) a land which you have not yet trodden, and Allah has power over all things.[59.5] Whatsoever palm-trees you cut down or left standing on their roots [during a Jihad siege of the Jews at Madina], it was by Allah's leave, in order that He might confound the evil-livers [Jews]. [59.6] ...that which Allah gave as spoil unto His messenger from them, you urged not any horse or riding-camel for the sake thereof, but Allah gives His messenger lordship over whom He will... [59.7] That which Allah gives as [war] spoil unto His messenger from the people of the townships [Jews], it is for Allah and His messenger...whatsoever [spoils] the messenger gives you, take it...[59.8] ...who seek bounty [war spoils] from Allah...

Those are just a couple of examples.

The Koran is highly anti-semetic.  Also violent. 

Not that there are no good things in it. 

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RE: Islamophobia in America - 8/21/2010 8:16:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		Aylee, the Q'uran has rules for war, children, women and non-combatants are to be spared, HOWEVER, if you read the bible about the conquest of the Holy Land, GOD decrees that every man, woman and child are to be put to death, every cow, goat, sheep, nothing of the enemy or his property is to be left alive.



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RE: Islamophobia in America - 8/21/2010 8:26:19 PM   
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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

Aylee, the Q'uran has rules for war, children, women and non-combatants are to be spared, HOWEVER, if you read the bible about the conquest of the Holy Land, GOD decrees that every man, woman and child are to be put to death, every cow, goat, sheep, nothing of the enemy or his property is to be left alive.




Yep.  We need some more of that Old Tyme Religion! 

One is a historical story and one is still being preached to be done.

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RE: Islamophobia in America - 8/21/2010 8:27:14 PM   
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The bogeyman is vital to the US. How would our politicians act in a non bi-polar world?

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RE: Islamophobia in America - 8/21/2010 9:11:21 PM   
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RE: Islamophobia in America - 8/21/2010 9:22:33 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Aylee

Yep.  We need some more of that Old Tyme Religion! 

One is a historical story and one is still being preached to be done.



If I may point out that during the Islamic conquests, Jews and Christians were not killed en mass. While the Moors occupied Spain, many NON denominational institutions of higher learning were built.

The church of the holy sepulchre has existed since the 4th century BCE, much of that time while the holy land was under Muslim control.

In point of fact, Christian history has more incidents of religious intolerance and massacres than the Muslim history. Look at the Christian conquest of Jerusalem, the crusaders massacred Muslims, Christians and Jews.

Muslim history had nothing to compare to the Spanish Inquisition, the Albigensian Crusade or even the conquest of the New World in the name of Christ.

IF the Muslim goal was the extermination or conversion of every person on the planet, please explain why they were tolerant of Christian churches and Jewish Synagogues in the Holy Land.

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RE: Islamophobia in America - 8/21/2010 9:43:40 PM   
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Virtually no Moslem countries allow a freedom of Religion. Again Virtually none grant any other religion equal rigths with Islam.


We should all use Saudi Arabia for model of religious tolerance....

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