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RE: Tributes... - 4/25/2006 3:58:49 AM   
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Whore...a label I wear with pride, steeped in herstory.
 
As stated by Bullough & Bundage (1994) in Sexual Practices & The Medieval Church, “Modesty was the true glory of women” and thus by implication an “immodest woman, one who was sexually desirous and ardent, was a whore at heart. (pg 37)”
 
Thus the category of prostitute (or whore; meretrices), included more than just women who took money for sex.  Or as succinctly put in Phillips & Reay, (2002)
 
“Those who had sex for money were a recognised group: but because of the way of whoredom or prostitution was defined, any woman who was sexually deviant, or any women who was not under the control of man, could be placed in that group as well.  The classification of sexually independent women as meretrices could thus be used as a warning, a tool to control all women”  (pg 94).
 
[Thus whoredom] as prostitution was intimately tied up with femininity and chastity in women become a tool of oppression.
 
“In this way [the] whore [became] the extreme case of what all women could be, and any woman risked classification as a whore if she stepped out of line.” (Phillips & Reay, 2002, pg 94)
 
So yeah, a whore is a whore... your problem with it is what exactly scott? 

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RE: Tributes... - 4/25/2006 4:01:01 AM   
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Okay no idea what is causing the strikethrough line ... but am sure you can still get the gist of my query scott.

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RE: Tributes... - 4/25/2006 4:07:12 AM   
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Jasmyn, I've said it before and I'll say it again.  You are a true Goddess.

Whore = A person in touch with their own humanity and sexuality and is free from bondage.  (The bad kind of bondage, guilt, frustration, and shame, that kind of bondage.)

Also, when a Goddess wishes to strikethrough anything, who's to stop her.

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RE: Tributes... - 4/25/2006 4:10:11 AM   
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Damn, I thought my work was done here, let me scroll back

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RE: Tributes... - 4/25/2006 4:14:16 AM   
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quote:

So yeah, a whore is a whore... your problem with it is what exactly scott? 


See Jasmyn, this is why I find people like you both predictable and unworthy of my time.

Where did I say, anywhere, I had a problem with whores?  The answer is I didn't.  It just helps your impossibly weak argument to assume I must have done.  But I didn't.  Anywhere.  Except in your head.

Anyway, on that bombshell, I'll leave you all to your thread, where you can post up 800 word essays, carefully including as many long words as your dictionary and pretty little heads will alow, so you can all convince yourselves you're intellectuals.

I won't post (or even read) here again so if you feel the need to contact me, go to the regular CollarMe site and send me a message.  Which I will, of course, completely ignore.

Bye.

(Oh. And sit up straight, EFG, you're slouching.  )

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RE: Tributes... - 4/25/2006 4:32:40 AM   
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lol nice edit ... but a weak argument?  I don't believe I presented an arguement.  A query of yourself, which you have chosen not to address and given your stated intent to cease communication I'm won't hold my breath for an answer.




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RE: Tributes... - 4/25/2006 8:14:05 AM   
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 It seems to be the fashion on this thread to avoid talking directly between the eyes and waffle on in the hope you will confuse the reader into realising you don't have any point to make.

Straight talk.

Jasmyn.  You have now made me continue posting here when I expressed my desire to leave.

In one line, without any kind of pretentious, pompous phraseology.  What is your point.  What "query of myself" are you referring to.

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RE: Tributes... - 4/25/2006 8:59:42 AM   
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Dear obedienz, Ladies and Gentlemen;

Tributes in my day, which is old fashioned, meant to give praise and respects to someone, as a recognition, compliment and honor, however--never a financial donation. However, some dominants seem to feel that they can get away with this noun “Tribute” as to pay a tax, fee, payment and such.

I find the people who ask for a fee are those who just want the money and a tax free income that can’t be traced and, as some already have expressed, nothing different than a McDomme; pay for a menu of services and don’t let the door hit you in the bum.

In addition, I find a lot of them to be college age, some are just lazy and sex and kink is an additional income. Most can’t flog themselves out of a wet paper bag.

But, as long as there are men/women who pay financial tributes to
McDom/McDommes; we will find the community of serious individuals diluted more. It has increasingly become diluted since standards were lowered, protocols not enforced, everybody doing their own thing and thinking it doesn’t affect them it won’t effect the community at large.

I am also seeing personally, that some regions in southeast Virginia, a “Domme” group with male submissive types must ‘pay’ to serve at a luncheon. Some of these men travel five hours to get there but, the founder is just looking for taking advantage of these lads.

She wanted to ride other people’s horses because she didn’t want to pay a riding stable or buy her own horse. She wants other things but, again -- she isn’t skilled, has less than 3 years self taught experience but, she is successful about wrecking every submissive man who has a spine. Dommes in her group walk on egg shells and as submissive as the men.

Men who submit that have a spine and speak up are subjected to false allegations. I also have found if any dominant woman speaks up they are subjected to false allegations as well. So, the fee to play--regardless if it is cash, credit, barter or exchanges of services outside a genuine D/s or M/s relationship to me is nothing short of prostitution.

There is a similar group in Washington, DC. The group is a part of a “chain of groups” that also doesn’t practice what they preach and just want free services from men and or women, under the guise of M/s and D/s.

Pro-Dominants have their places as do Pro-submissive types. However, I am of the thought that I love this lifestyle for all it’s positives it can offer between well informed adults and consent in such. I am free, even my written works have been free; my presentations, demonstrations and mentoring has been free. So are my hugs and affections. I just wish that like minded dominants would not have to carry a label of amateur because we are not “professional.” Many are very “professional” but do not hire themselves and or their premises (dungeons) for common use. In addition, we don’t blatantly take advantage of people but, make behavior modifications and attitude adjustments.

It is very hard to “police” ourselves as there is so many styles and varieties of how women dominant individuals. We all come from different places, exposed to what we have had available. However, most do try to keep things how it can/should be in our own ways. However, we will never see things return to the strict set standards of the past that separated us from the serious cases of kinky sex and play for a fee, gamers, players and those who take advantage of others, such as “you aren’t submissive unless you do this and that,” and or “you aren’t dominant if you do this or that” sorts. My concern is for innocent novices being wrecked for life or think that these behaviors are normal in the larger M/s and or D/s community.

In summary, in my day and in my circles; tributes come from the heart not the purse.

Respectfully submitted,
Lady Hugs

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RE: Tributes... - 4/25/2006 9:40:30 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: ScotDom29

quote:

So yeah, a whore is a whore... your problem with it is what exactly scott? 


See Jasmyn, this is why I find people like you both predictable and unworthy of my time.


And lets see.. I predict that you are still here scotdom29, in case you didn't know this, there is a line under the subject line called "Users viewing this topic:"and you are on there right up there on the list, at this very moment.

I can't speak for Jasmyn, but I doubt she or anyone else wants to be worthy of your time.

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ORIGINAL: ScotDom29
Where did I say, anywhere, I had a problem with whores?  The answer is I didn't.  It just helps your impossibly weak argument to assume I must have done.  But I didn't.  Anywhere.  Except in your head.

Anyway, on that bombshell, I'll leave you all to your thread, where you can post up 800 word essays, carefully including as many long words as your dictionary and pretty little heads will alow, so you can all convince yourselves you're intellectuals.


I don't think there is anyone trying to convince ourselves of who the intellectuals are.  It is more you trying to convince them otherwise.

quote:

ORIGINAL: ScotDom29
I won't post (or even read) here again so if you feel the need to contact me, go to the regular CollarMe site and send me a message.  Which I will, of course, completely ignore.

Bye.

(Oh. And sit up straight, EFG, you're slouching.  )


Again the "Users viewing this topic:" gives you away, Babe.  Your credibility is shot to hell. If you had any to begin with. And FYI, I will not be responding to the mail I received from you yesterday, begging to serve.
LOL

Until then,

Mistress NINA 

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RE: Tributes... - 4/25/2006 10:18:06 AM   
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quote:

without any kind of pretentious, pompous phraseology
 

Pot meet kettle..kettle meet Scott...

quote:

There's a very fine line between someone who receives a voluntary gift - financial or otherwise - and someone who places it as an integral part of a BDSM requirement.  I just find the whole romanticising of a "tribute" distasteful and little different to a woman selling her used panties. 

For me it's all about honesty.  If someone said "I expect a tribute because I want to personally profit from the arrangement", I would consider that something to applaud.  But they never, or very rarely, ever say that.  Instead they write page after page of romantic - but less honest- reasoning.


Does it matter if I call it a 'tribute' or a 'fee'?   For some clients, yes it does.  For myself yes it does.  On the topic of distasteful...I find it funny that it is 'romanticising the tribute' that you find most distaste in, given I find romantisicing BDSM to the point of placing moralising limitations on others who practice it to be equally distasteful.  You can't or don't want to accept others may actually know their truth ...ignorance is never a good excuse for arrogance...so on that note cie la vie ...


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RE: Tributes... - 4/25/2006 10:18:47 AM   
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ORIGINAL: EbonyFtshGoddess

wow.. i'm proud of myself.

i actually refrained..

well, never let it be said that i'm not magnanimous.

i learned that from a post that someone else made on this thread today.

i'll just say this..

offline experience. from now on.. i'm ignoring posts from people whom are not active scene players.





I have been active ... I'm just not currently active.

I understand if you can't think of a response but I would suggest you do a little more background checking before you simply make assumptions about people.

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RE: Tributes... - 4/25/2006 10:21:37 AM   
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LOL Nina, "babe", if you had only read the whole thread before you posted.

Do try and pay attention in future, there's a good girl <head pat>.

Or scroll back and see where you went wrong, whichever.

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RE: Tributes... - 4/25/2006 10:22:00 AM   
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This subject really has been overdone.  The fact is people are going to do what they are going to do.  Those who pay tribute do so of their own free will.  There are plenty of "free" doms but yet they choose to pay.  Those who charge tribute are hurting noone.  Complaining about it is not going to change anything .  It isn't going to stop anyone from charging or paying. And yes  I have been paid for services at times.  Not a bad chunk of change.  If I am a whore then so be it.  I'm a good one.

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RE: Tributes... - 4/25/2006 10:45:41 AM   
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ORIGINAL: ScotDom29

Jasmyn.  You have now made me continue posting here when I expressed my desire to leave.


Bold emphasis Mine...Need we say more, Sir Domly Dom?

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RE: Tributes... - 4/25/2006 10:50:10 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Jasmyn

quote:

without any kind of pretentious, pompous phraseology
 

Pot meet kettle..kettle meet Scott...

quote:

There's a very fine line between someone who receives a voluntary gift - financial or otherwise - and someone who places it as an integral part of a BDSM requirement.  I just find the whole romanticising of a "tribute" distasteful and little different to a woman selling her used panties. 

For me it's all about honesty.  If someone said "I expect a tribute because I want to personally profit from the arrangement", I would consider that something to applaud.  But they never, or very rarely, ever say that.  Instead they write page after page of romantic - but less honest- reasoning.


Does it matter if I call it a 'tribute' or a 'fee'?   For some clients, yes it does.  For myself yes it does.  On the topic of distasteful...I find it funny that it is 'romanticising the tribute' that you find most distaste in, given I find romantisicing BDSM to the point of placing moralising limitations on others who practice it to be equally distasteful.  You can't or don't want to accept others may actually know their truth ...ignorance is never a good excuse for arrogance...so on that note cie la vie ...



LOL, just perfect.  Instead of doing what I tell you to do, you do what I criticise you for doing.

ok here is my final analysis of the women on this thread and since mine is the only opinion of any importance, you will of course read and learn.   Now concentrate girls, especially Nina who seems to struggle with anything that doesn't happen directly under her moustache.

None of you are Mistresses and would not understand Domination if it slapped you across your dangerously drooping nipples.  You are, at best, one step up from the pantie-selling teenagers of CollarMe.com.  But Mistresses?  You wouldn't know where to start.

Nina, anytime you need to borrow a razor for your upper lip, that's one tribute I'd happily supply you with.

If you've found my devastatingly sexy presence valuable, which you have, please remember to "tribute" me at the following address. 

ScotDom29
c/o Adopt-A-Whore
The disused building behind the rubber factory,
Glasgow.

(The "Glasgow" hint may make anyone whoever called me "Scott" cringe even further)

I've logged out, never to return.  I'll miss you all dreadfully, sob.  Goodbye.

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RE: Tributes... - 4/25/2006 11:28:37 AM   
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Every other job in society has gone the way of politcal correctness except for professional domination. Garbage collectors are Masters of Sanitation . Housewives are Domestic Engineers. All we need are some new labels.

How about:

Sado-masochistic Service Provider
Temporary Authority Transfer Specialist
Illusionary Fulfillment Designer


Yup, all we need is to get a little PC, bring some vanilla to our kink!

::chuckles::

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RE: Tributes... - 4/25/2006 11:29:00 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: ScotDom29
I like to call a spade a spade.
And a whore a whore.

I see Jasmyn already responded to this, so
quote:

“Those who had sex for money were a recognised group: but because of the way of whoredom or prostitution was defined, any woman who was sexually deviant, or any women who was not under the control of man, could be placed in that group as well.  The classification of sexually independent women as meretrices could thus be used as a warning, a tool to control all women”  (pg 94)
I hope you consider all of us including the one who birthed you whores, LMAO.
You never said what your problem is with whores.    M

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RE: Tributes... - 4/25/2006 11:32:44 AM   
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Why do I feel all sticky?

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RE: Tributes... - 4/25/2006 11:46:24 AM   
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he kicked ur arses.  its about time someone said all this about women like u.

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RE: Tributes... - 4/25/2006 11:52:40 AM   
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Yes dear.

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