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RE: Tributes... - 4/24/2006 8:06:42 AM

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ORIGINAL: openmindedslave

Lets also express another factor in Prodoming if we can...Something so many here forget to mention...Men or slaves or subs blah . blah . blah don't always want to create a lasting relationship. Some really do not care about anything except getting what they seek. We know ( in fact you know probably) some men do not read profiles , they look at the pictures . So if your dealing with men who just want an hour here or there and really can't commmit to a long term relationship as someone stated before , then what is wrong if a Mistress caters to these kind of slaves .That she expects a tribute or gift for her time and investment .Her experiences are what a sub is asking to use. So because money is involved somehow it makes it worst. For me , my view is many slaves .subs really are not getting everything they could with tribute. My opionion is if you can't touch my mind, then neither of us will get the most out of time..

In my opinion, when a Mistress _caters_ to paying subs, it doesn't make her the dom anymore. It makes her a slave to the money that is being offered as tribute. Selectiveness aside, to me it felt like a a vicious cycle. You get your tribute, then you take the money and use it for more stuff for the dungeon, to get more tribute.. And yes it is all stuff I enjoy using, but I didn't feel the total power exchange as I do with those who serve me without tribute.

Until then,

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RE: Tributes... - 4/24/2006 8:27:42 AM

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So in someways, does apaying sub/slave really put limits on your interaction. I mean i can see the lack of time to get to know or experience one another? Yet in someways ..Does a dom need to turn on and off her emotions when it comes to involving a slave that pays ?? I don't know , but would be interested in others views and experiences ?

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RE: Tributes... - 4/24/2006 8:28:30 AM

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Hmmmmmmmmm
Something doesn't look/sound quite right, but am not sure what yet. M

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RE: Tributes... - 4/24/2006 8:46:29 AM

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Hmmmmmmmmm
Something doesn't look/sound quite right, but am not sure what yet. M

oh i'm sure what it is..

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RE: Tributes... - 4/24/2006 9:12:40 AM

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So in someways, does apaying sub/slave really put limits on your interaction. I mean i can see the lack of time to get to know or experience one another? Yet in someways ..Does a dom need to turn on and off her emotions when it comes to involving a slave that pays ?? I don't know , but would be interested in others views and experiences ?

for the times i've given sessions in germany with men whom i know cannot serve me in a lifestyle capacity we still have amazing rubber scenes-even though i DONT own them.

the only difference i notice is this.. i can't really go all out with them like i would my personal slaves because for the first couple of times we're still feeling out limits.. AND they have safe words. my personal slaves don't have safe words and our limits are already well established.

with that being said, i've only seen 4 males in 5 years of travel. 3 of those i collared after about 3 sessions and now serve me personally after the first 4 or 5 sessions with me. we both wanted more. but they had to test the waters to see if it was just fantasy or were they REALLY serious about living their life this way.

the one i still have tributed sessions with is not able to travel here for training outside of germany. so he accepts that he will be a tributing slave until his situation changes (ailing, elderly mother he cares for) and he can offer me the lifestyle servitude/worship that i demand, expect and deserve. if he were able to travel then he'd be collared too.

that's the only limitation i put on feelings. is that i have to hold back and be mindful of their safeword or limits- whereas my personal slaves trust that i already know their limits.. and i do

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RE: Tributes... - 4/24/2006 9:36:39 AM

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ORIGINAL: openmindedslave

So in someways, does apaying sub/slave really put limits on your interaction. I mean i can see the lack of time to get to know or experience one another? Yet in someways ..Does a dom need to turn on and off her emotions when it comes to involving a slave that pays ?? I don't know , but would be interested in others views and experiences ?

I think if you see someone on numerous occasions, for me personally, its hard to turn off the emotions. I am just saying, not that anything I say is expert advice or anything. It is and was a personal conflict for me. I think the saying To each her own fits well here.

But you begin to know things about your submissive clients, feel things.. things you probably shouldn't feel, since it was on a professional level. There are those who served me that still serve me now, and others I see outside the dungeon, but don't play with because they can't keep their feelings in check, and I can't either, and also they are ones that are otherwise taken in a vanilla relationship, and it is impossible to go deeper so I just don't.

I guess I sound like a hypocrite, and I am sorry I am and was about this, which was why I don't prodomme anymore. Its like a part of me loved doming for the sake of doming and yet I got a twisted rush from getting paid money for it, because I liked that idea that I could actually charge money for having my dungeon cleaned or my feet massaged. Ok then there was those who would shout harder, but didn't want marks.. etc.. sometimes that left a bad taste in my mouth, figuratively speeking.

Until then,
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RE: Tributes... - 4/24/2006 11:39:07 AM

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...What I think folks are missing , is that Power Exchange at the core, the heart, the essence, is .....(drum roll please).....Exchanging Power. So any one whose buttons are really pushed by this issue shows that they have huge reserves of power wrapped up in their ideas and ideals around money.

Getting them to drink your pee is one thing, oh yes they love to give up that sort of power,
but they dont realize that its the same if not more intense to give up money as power, when that is really what they are so heavily invested in in.

LOL! I was going to write something about the money/power dynamic in capitalist culture and there you did it!:)
Yes, giving up money is a lot harder to some people. Getting them to drink your urine is often easier - especially considering how many have a GS fetish. Getting them to drink your pee is giving them exactly what THEY want.
In a capitalist society capital is the ideal and therefore something one can consider a sacrifice to tribute a Goddess with.
Something to think about. Some people really love to use the word "Goddess" so very lightly, but when they encounter a Domina with a strong sense of self who does understand they will resort to other more abusive words.

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...what I am trying to say is that who the person is, and what they persoannly value, determines the worth of the tribute, if it is something very easily discarded by them then to me at least it is not as valuable as some one who somehow pushes themselves mentally financially or emotionally to give me a gift...that is a real tribute to me.

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RE: Tributes... - 4/24/2006 11:52:02 AM

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In my opinion, when a Mistress _caters_ to paying subs, it doesn't make her the dom anymore. It makes her a slave to the money that is being offered as tribute.

Here you are referring to receiving payment for pro service.
Receiving payment for pro service does not by default mean the Domina in question is "catering" to paying subs.
I only do ProDomme work on a part-time basis to ensure I don't "need" the money for my livelihood. I have a carefully worded site that is designed specifically to attact masosubs who are into what I"m into and I still have to turn down about 75% of the applicants ( a somewhat smaller percentage than the number of personal sub applicants I have to turn down here because no one is teaching men to read).
The way I have designed the way I work as a ProDomme ensures I remain the Domme - and I wouldn't have it any other way. I suspect I am not the only Domina doing this.

There seems to be an attitude among many that ProDome and TrueDomme are mututally exclusive concepts.
There's a group of FemDommes I do the coffee thing with in my neighbourhood - every meeting should be documented really.:) ALL of us have at least one personal sub.
Out of 5 of us, 2 aren't pros, but one used to be and is now saying that she misses the work when we share our stories.
I've a feeling she'll be back at it by fall.:)

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RE: Tributes... - 4/24/2006 12:06:00 PM

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ORIGINAL: openmindedslave

So in someways, does apaying sub/slave really put limits on your interaction. I mean i can see the lack of time to get to know or experience one another?

We all determine our own limits and every Lady who does ProDomme work will decide for herself how she choses to operate.
I have taken a total "My way or the highway" stance and so I only do it part-time. I'm only really interested in heavy scenes and my area lacks the market to support me on that alone.
Now, I will say this about working with men who are almost strangers. That makes me an almost stranger too. I do insist on a certain amount of communication with new clients to ensure we are sympatico - a bad scene is unpleasant for all and I am not interested in a revolving door of new comers. I want to cultivate relationships with a core group of dedicated clients.
Getting into edgeplay with a totally new client is a LOT of fun. They trust I won't harm them, but there's always that bit of fear niggling at them - just in case they didn't quite judge me correctly. Knowing this only makes me enjoy the scene more and being the brat that I am I will take full advantage of this and play with their heads. I love using fear.:)

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Yet in someways ..Does a dom need to turn on and off her emotions when it comes to involving a slave that pays ?? I don't know , but would be interested in others views and experiences ?

Some may, but I don't know. I don't see the point in turning off my emotions. How would I enjoy my scenes? Does the fact I'm being paid for my pro-sessions mean I give up the right to enjoy them?
Quite frankly, I often enjoy the pro sessions more than the personal sessions. I really am into being treated like a Goddess. I charge a lot of money for my pro sessions and it is a fetish of mine to demand a playmate give up much to share time with me. When someone is into the action I am into, a period of communication determines that this is a nice/cool guy (this also matters) AND will pay me top dollar for it... Hellooooo. That makes me feel GREAT. It makes me very HAPPY. No emotional turn off at all.
Besides, I screen the gentlemen who come to me. I can honestly say I really like them all.

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RE: Tributes... - 4/24/2006 1:09:27 PM

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Getting them to drink your pee is giving them exactly what THEY want. In a capitalist society capital is the ideal and therefore something one can consider a sacrifice to tribute a Goddess with.

you hit the nail on the head. money is power.. everyone is willing to admit that. offering yourself up but then saying.. oh no, you have NO control over this aspect is keeping a part of themselves unavailble. a true mistress takes everything from a slave that they are, have, and controls who they will become- and yes that includes financial scrutiny.

they drink piss because they want to, but cloak it in a fog of servitude.. when in reality they're just serving their own needs and using the domme as a vehicle on the road to fetish.. well sorry, no vehicle runs without gas.

it's easy to make someone do what they want to do anyway. you're not *making* them. i love the forced bi, or the forced this or that. you never hear about a sub having *forced bamboo under the nails* fetish. it's always some shit they want to do anyway like eating shit or sucking off dogs or cock that they want to be *forced* to do. money is power, and when someone is OVERLY eager to put up their money limitations (but having no problems telling me how he can lick my pussy for hours).. then that's an immediate red flag, that means he has other power exchange issues at play

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Receiving payment for pro service does not by default mean the Domina in question is "catering" to paying subs. I only do ProDomme work on a part-time basis to ensure I don't "need" the money for my livelihood. I have a carefully worded site that is designed specifically to attact masosubs who are into what I"m into and I still have to turn down about 75% of the applicants ( a somewhat smaller percentage than the number of personal sub applicants I have to turn down here because no one is teaching men to read).

people think it's either this or that. like dommes providing a session will take any derelict off the street because he's paying. the 4 i've trained on a pro basis were men that i would have accepted on a lifestyle basis were their situations different at the time. for 3 of them i did take them when their situations changed.

semi pro dommes don't HAVE to take sessions- we do because:

A. we have an opportunity to allow someone to serve us whom is sincere but unable to serve us in the manner we demand why should we not?

B. we don't have to take just ANYONE off the street because since this isn't our bread and butter we can be just as selective with choosing our tributed sessions as we do with choosing our personal lifestyle servants.

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RE: Tributes... - 4/24/2006 2:01:46 PM

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You know that is true..most men do find power in having money..What you can buy with it or who you can buy with it ..In this lifestyle , it is not like paying for a hooker to give you a hand job. Imagine trying to explain to a vanilla male friend that you paided to be with a beautful woman. You did not get to have sex. She kept her clothing on. You were not even allowed to pleasure yourself ...But you did get your ass redden" And oh yes, I am doing it again when she has time again to see me"
And you know , if he really appreciates what happen. , it will linger far longer than any hooker sex, because he iddn't see a hooker. In fact , it can be argues that a good session can last emotionally longer fore a submissive than a vanilla encounter..

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RE: Tributes... - 4/24/2006 2:27:18 PM

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You know that is true..most men do find power in having money..What you can buy with it or who you can buy with it ..In this lifestyle , it is not like paying for a hooker to give you a hand job. Imagine trying to explain to a vanilla male friend that you paided to be with a beautful woman. You did not get to have sex. She kept her clothing on. You were not even allowed to pleasure yourself ...But you did get your ass redden" And oh yes, I am doing it again when she has time again to see me"
And you know , if he really appreciates what happen. , it will linger far longer than any hooker sex, because he iddn't see a hooker. In fact , it can be argues that a good session can last emotionally longer fore a submissive than a vanilla encounter..

well stated. i think like i've said before.. the men that liken it as prostitution view their submission as primarily sexual and probably expect sex in return. that's why they don't want to gift or tribute a mistress because in that instance.. if they were tributing a pro domme and she fucked them or gave them a *happy* ending is a prostitution arrangement.

they can't fathom serving without sex- so of course the correlation is natural in their mind. pro domme = whore.. what they fail to realize is that if there isn't any happy ending or hand job, blow job or any other *job* then it's not prostitution.

it is tributing someone for doing something to you that you couldn't experience anywhere else. some males are better at others when it comes to finding a domme. but i know males whom EXCLUSIVELY go to pro dommes because they have a better experience. the dommes are better skilled, better educated, well diversified in their kinks, better dressed, usually attractive (many men have a problem submitting to women they find unattractive), well dressed, equipped play space with tons of gear.. the list goes on and on.

are ALL pro dommes ALL of the above?

no.

are all pro dommes whores?

no

are all pro dommes ethical?

no..

but at the end of the day people should be careful to lump everyone into the same barrel. be they a full time pro domme, semi-pro, or lifestyle. because no one expects to go to disneyland for free.

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RE: Tributes... - 4/24/2006 4:17:58 PM

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ORIGINAL: openmindedslave

You know that is true..most men do find power in having money..What you can buy with it or who you can buy with it ..In this lifestyle , it is not like paying for a hooker to give you a hand job. Imagine trying to explain to a vanilla male friend that you paided to be with a beautful woman. You did not get to have sex. She kept her clothing on. You were not even allowed to pleasure yourself ...But you did get your ass redden" And oh yes, I am doing it again when she has time again to see me"
And you know , if he really appreciates what happen. , it will linger far longer than any hooker sex, because he iddn't see a hooker. In fact , it can be argues that a good session can last emotionally longer fore a submissive than a vanilla encounter..

Hello again openminded.
I have something else to say on the subject, seeing as how people often like to equate or compare ProDommes receiving payment for their services with prositution - all the while implying this is "bad".

First of all, the prostitution comparison is often used as a way to devalue what ProDommes use because prostitution is often seen as something "dirty" or of little value by misogynists.
Before Monotheistic Patriarchy, sex and prostitution had a sacred function. Even Socrates frequented temple prosititutes and some say he was influenced by one in particular - I unfortunately forget her name.
Enter Monotheistic Patriarchy and women were devalued. Sex for any purpose other than procreation was deemed sinful. Words like "whore" or "prostitute" were used as tools for putting down women.
If sex has no value, why do so many men pay for it and then debase the women they pay?
Recall in a previous post I state that "tribute" does not always mean money, but we are talking about ProDommes now.
Why is it that when men resent to concept of ProDommes - the concept of having to pay money when they offer nothing else like a relationship because they are so often already married or haven't the time or inclination for service - that they will try to put us down by comparing us to prostitutes.
I will include something at this point that I messaged to someone on "the other side" - an angry self-defined male dome who inappropriately sent me an abussive message based on some posts I placed here:

"A) BDSM is not about sex
Bondage
Discipline
Sado
Masochism
The "S" is not for "Sex" and the "M" is not for "Masturbate".

B)Receiving tribute for BDSM service does not make one a prostitute any more than receiving MONEY for BDSM service makes one a prostitute any more than receiving payment for being a doctor makes one a prostitute.
Recall that "Tribute" does not default to money. It's about providing something of value.

C) There's nothing wrong with being a prostitute, but misogynists like yourself like to use the word as a weapon against women who make it through this life on our terms and expect it to sting....

I smell sour grapes. I suspect in the male dom world tribute doesn't come up much because:
a) you guys are just happy to have a living dolly to fuck
b) to this day women are still much less financially secure than men
c) women really know how to submit and provide tribute in non-financial ways...

Dominantion and submission are about CONTROL.
A skilled ProDomina provides an EXPERIENCE that cannot be compared to sex-for-pay. on the profane level. Sex-for-pay on a sacred level is another story, but you wouldn't understand...."

The sad thing is that misogyny is not limited to men. Let's face it, misogynists are usually raised by women. Food for thought. There are many women who perhaps don't have a strong sense of self and worth who will also try to debase ProDommes and what we do.

Back to the "prostitutes are bad" concept...
Sex has value. When someone hasn't the time or desire to build a relationship in order to have their sexual needs fulfilled, there is absolutely nothing shameful or untoward in paying for it, any more than being the one selling it and providing that service is "dirty" or shameful.

Good BDSM has value too. Although not all ProDommes are that skilled or sincere at what they do, it doesn't mean that what ProDommes of skill and sincerity do lacks value. We do not expect skilled doctors to just heal everyone for free. Why would we expect that of a skilled Domina?

It seems to me that there is an abundance of petulant men who just expect to get what they want for nothing and then get angry, insulting and even downright abusive when they learn they cannot get a scene with the women they want for nothing.

The irony is that by behaving this way they clearly separate themselves from the gentlemen who really do value our work. My prefernce is to scene with subs who do value my skills.

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RE: Tributes... - 4/24/2006 4:28:07 PM

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One thing you'll notice about people like Marina is they will always (always) write in length about this. Basically because it makes it easier to avoid reality.

The reply to the message posted above went like this.

'A) BDSM is not about sex'
Yes, I'm afraid it is. You can wax lyrical until you're blue in the face. You can paint pretty pictures, write essays, look the other way, talk of inbuilt human needs, servitude, anything. The heart of BDSM is ...... sexual. I defy anyone to say we don't get off on it. End of story.

I never said there was anything wrong with being a prostitute. I have nothing but respect for prostitutes. They have the balls and honesty to ask directly for payment for their services. Changing 'fee' into 'tribute' seems to me to be people like you trying to put yourself above 'prostitute'.

You then say "Domination and submission are about CONTROL". Indeed. I love the BDSM world. At least, the genuine BDSM world where people indulge because of mutual desire with each other.

Rather than some woman that buys herself a leather dress and thinks "Hmmm. I can make something out of this".

Have a long look around CollarMe and count the number of women who AREN'T asking for 'tributes'.

And when you find some, envy them. Because they know what BDSM is really all about. And it's not writing 800 word excuses for trying to gain materialistically from it.

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RE: Tributes... - 4/24/2006 4:34:38 PM

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ScotDom,

I really like how you said that! And to avoid the stigma of thinking BDSM is about sex, or of being a Prodomme, I'll keep this short.

Yours,

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RE: Tributes... - 4/24/2006 5:13:50 PM

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'A) BDSM is not about sex'
Yes, I'm afraid it is.

It's not about sex for me.
Otherwise, I liked your post.

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RE: Tributes... - 4/24/2006 5:15:15 PM

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C) There's nothing wrong with being a prostitute, but misogynists like yourself like to use the word as a weapon against women who make it through this life on our terms and expect it to sting...

yeah, it's just another word. any domme hears it.. whether she's a pro domme or not.

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Have a long look around CollarMe and count the number of women who AREN'T asking for 'tributes'.

you said it right there.. ASKING for tribute.. some aren't asking for tribute.. why is it so hard for people to conceive that some males gift on their OWN (and once again..tribute doesn't always mean money). they gift us because they enjoy our time, they want us to have nice fetish wear or more rubber or whatever. i don't see a thing wrong with gifting a mistress you're in a relationship with- that doesn't cheapen the interaction, it doesn't make her a whore or anything along those lines.

people are narrow mindedly trying to stuff a lot of people under a lot of different umbrellas into one box.

there are full time pro dommes- they DEMAND and EXPECT tribute (ie $$) for their time

there are lifestyle dommes- they don't DEMAND or expect hourly tribute, BUT they don't mind being gifted.. if she foots the bill for all the toys herself..well then she's sincere.. if she accepts well meaning heartfelt gifts from her slaves... well then she's suddenly a whore and a pro domme. if someone wants to gift another person out of the kindness of their hearts.. why would anyone care?

and lastly they are semi-pro lifestyle dommes such as myself. - we will on occasion scene with someone that would otherwise be in our personal slave collection, but aren't in a position to submit on a regular basis or that has another reason why he can't commit to the level of commitment we seek from our personal slaves. so they will tribute to be able to experience a session with us. that tribute can come in the form of gifts, computer work if he knows webskills, or money. that doesn't negate the fact that she still has her own personal slaves whom do not tribute her hourly for her time.

just because a woman accepts gifts.. i don't see the direct jump to .. ok she's a whore. that's honestly very typical in online forums, but it's nothing i've never experienced offline. usually slaves are eager to gift because typically when men are enamoured with someone they want to show it. whether it's flowers, her favourite chocolate, or new toys. if a slave CHOOSES to gift his mistress with whom he has an established relationship with.. or chooses to tribute a domme that he would love to session with but can't be owned by her.. why is that wrong for her to accept it? i'd rather someone be upfront about their inability to commit to what i expect and offer tribute rather than he get the benefit of all my years of toy collecting, experience and everything else just for him to say "well i can only serve you on my time."

whereas my personal slaves are always available to me. as a result there is no need for them to tribute because we both get something gratifying from the experience. i get loyal and obedient slaves whom year after year are trained to my specifications.. and they get trained by a knowledgable and experienced domina.

a picture painted with only one brush or colour..

is boring.

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RE: Tributes... - 4/24/2006 5:18:08 PM

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i find it funny how some of the subs on the other "sex, submission.. chastity" thread i started state how they would NOT serve a mistress if sex isn't involved..

one was saying how it would make him bitter and pissed off and grouchy. hmm.. how is that any different than a mistress expecting gifting or cash tribute or whatever from a slave? everyone comes into a BDSM relationship with expectations. so they can expect sex, but a domme can't expect a flogger? (and i dont mean sex in exchange FOR a flogger..you get my drift).. you think a domme wouldn't feel bitter and pissed off and grouchy if she doesn't get what SHE wants out of an interaction?

that's called wanting your cake and being able to eat it too. why is it ok for a slave to expect something as intimate as sex, but ask the fucker to cough up a flogger and suddenly she's a prostitute..

if a male sub can stipulate that he expects sex or this or that.. why is it wrong for a domme to stipulate what she wants? and he can move on if he doesnt like it-vice versa applies as well.

that's a double standard if i've ever seen one.

some feel tributing trivializes or demeans/cheapens their servitude for them..

The one you are referring to would be me.

When I spoke of sex, it was in the context of a "relationship." My main point there was about "long term" denial. (Short term is a separate issue.) Sexual release and gratification is very natural and human. Yes there are those that don’t need it, but to suggest that not needing it is what makes one true is BS not D/s in my opinion.

Everything you talk about is power and money i.e. prodomming. A very different thing than a D/s relationship in my book. I also said in another post within THIS thread that nothing makes me happier than to buy things for those I love and my Domme that I would love, would certainly qualify. I am most definitely NOT interested in paying for sex, from a prostitute or a ProDom. But those are the words you are attempting to put in mouth.

Generosity/adoration/desire to please and tribute are two very different things.

Balance is a very wonderful word to live by.

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RE: Tributes... - 4/24/2006 5:25:04 PM

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ORIGINAL: NINASHARP
In my opinion, when a Mistress _caters_ to paying subs, it doesn't make her the dom anymore. It makes her a slave to the money that is being offered as tribute. Selectiveness aside, to me it felt like a a vicious cycle. You get your tribute, then you take the money and use it for more stuff for the dungeon, to get more tribute.. And yes it is all stuff I enjoy using, but I didn't feel the total power exchange as I do with those who serve me without tribute.

Until then,

Mistress NINA

That was so refreshing.

My view exactly. Thank you.

You are most enlightened.

(in reply to NINASHARP)