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RE: The need to be rude?!? - 10/6/2010 11:20:21 AM   
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Umm, from my perspective, if someone doesn't want to post a profile, that suggests they're hiding something. Not quite the same thing as suggesting that all profiles are fake. But I too would be less inclined to take a post from a person who does not fill out a profile or wish it to be seen at face value. Orchid has not only filled out a profile, she has her picture up. (I tried posting a body shot several times- just gave up.)

Simply put- I think you're a real female. I think Orchid is too. With Angel, there is a significant element of doubt in my mind. Depending on context, I might respond differently to a post you had made compared to one that Angel has made.

Cheers,

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Not that this wasn't already addressed, but between this thread and another, it is very obvious that you do not have an adequate understanding of what it is like to be a woman with a profile on this site.  I'm actually surprised that more women don't hide their profiles around here to avoid what they can be subjected to through email.  The description of "rude" as given by the OP does not begin to cover it.  Rude can be just the beginning.  I'll bet I've received thousands of things through email here that nobody in the real world would ever be so crude or disgusting to ever say to My face.  Multiply that by a significant number a day over the course of years.

There are a number of women here that just don't plain want to put up with that crap.  I don't blame them one bit for wanting to avoid it.


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RE: The need to be rude?!? - 10/6/2010 12:39:26 PM   
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The description of "rude" as given by the OP does not begin to cover it. 


Agreed.  I didn't quite grasp just how nasty it could be until a good year or so after I joined CM.  A Domme friend of mine had been writing in sad, down tones for some months.  She'd begun to hate her looks, her age . . . and, of course, her weight.  Just at her nadir, she gets a long, vicious cmail then ends with 'Why don't you lose some weight, too, you f***ing fat old c***t?'  God, I'd have decked the bastard if he'd been in front of me.  Piece of crap. 

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RE: The need to be rude?!? - 10/6/2010 12:42:20 PM   
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I rarely get obnoxious emails anymore, but some of the ones I have gotten... unreal. And I suspect that many of those men really WOULD have said those words out loud to me. Sadly, I didn't get the chance to hand anyone their teeth or testicles.

I keep my minimal profile up so my friends can correspond with me more easily. Otherwise...

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RE: The need to be rude?!? - 10/6/2010 1:33:07 PM   
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'Why don't you lose some weight, too, you f***ing fat old c***t?' God, I'd have decked the bastard if he'd been in front of me. Piece of crap.

Yeah it kind of sucks when a person feels justified in saying such nasty things to other human beings huh.

It happens quite often and from those who complain when their friends are getting it doe to them.

I can relate.


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RE: The need to be rude?!? - 10/6/2010 1:59:34 PM   
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OK - got you.

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RE: The need to be rude?!? - 10/6/2010 2:07:18 PM   
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There are thousands of people who use this site, and you are going to run into people who are just nasty. That's what the delete and block functions are for. But when you phrase the question the way you did, you are applying it across the board. The word 'you' addresses the reader YOU. 'A sub' means 'any'. I am not going to sit down and try to come up with an equation that decides how many people here are here for the same reasons I am. I am going to take each individual at face value. If something in the conversation provokes my interest, I keep talking. If an individual says something that I find offensive or rude I'm not going to waste my time with a conversation. Personally, I think when someone does come off like that out of the gate, they've done me a favour. I don't have to waste my time any longer and they go right into the junk bin. Consider it a blessing and move on.

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RE: The need to be rude?!? - 10/6/2010 2:23:17 PM   
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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

OK - got you.

Fair enough.


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RE: The need to be rude?!? - 10/6/2010 5:06:07 PM   
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I have been very, very fortunate since I joined in late August. No one has sent me a nasty email (please don't take this as provocation). I attribute much of it to not having much personal information on my profile, to having stated that I am happily owned and looking for friends only (though I haven't had much of a bite in this area, either), and to not having any personal pictures of myself on the site. If I am happily owned, why would I? I suspect that, if I added more information to what I originally wrote, or if I added a personal picture, which I avoid due to my profession, more than anything else, I, too, might receive rude emails. However, so far, so good. I love these message boards and hope to never have to deal with discouraging emails!

To others, anyone rude enough to tell you that you are too fat, old, ugly, etc to be on this site: Ignore, delete! Ignore, delete! These rude and annoying people are not worth your time or effort. Some never leave 6th grade, it seems.


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RE: The need to be rude?!? - 10/6/2010 5:53:19 PM   
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Gee Angel- is your ass worth riding? And common decency would involve a feel around- I'd certainly oblige if it is.... (OK, that's about as close as I can get to a snarky Ron (Mnottertall) comment- he does it much, much better than me.)

No- I'm not obsessed by your profile and I really have no interest in what it used to look like. (mild curiosity as to what you look like given your comments.)

From my perspective as a poster on some occasionally contentious threads on these boards, the ability to send and receive messages privately is a boon. Often I have gotten emails from people reading the thread, afraid to jump in, that have additional insights. Alternatively, private emails often can defuse tensions from people holding an opposing viewpoint. Since I enjoy posting and learning about others viewpoints, I think having some way of being contacted without a public response is critical. Of course, if you know everything and don't need to listen to other peoples viewpoint, then a profile really doesn't matter....

Lady Pact

I must admit, I don't get the email issue. Aren't there mail controls that allow you to limit who sends you mail? Perhaps there need to be better controls if this is such an issue. Are people who are complaining about getting emails using these controls? Do they work?

I did a little quick estimate on the number of males/females in CT (past hour- did a quick count.) It was something like 30F/85M so around a 3:1 ratio. So I don't understand where all these emails are coming from- there just aren't that many men to send them.

Maybe mail controls to limit mail from people who have posted if that's a concern? I suspect that geographically limited emails might also make sense- hence no need for the bellyaches about emails from Nicaragua or wherever.

General comment-

In terms of the time needed to write polite responses...I spend between 15 minutes to an hour (and occasionally more) composing an email to someone for the first time if I add in the time spent looking at their profile. I suspect that this figure is not far out for people that write a reasonable email. If I've taken the time to write the email, why is it so onerous to spend less than 15 seconds to shoot the quick response- of "Thanks, not interested- best of luck in your search."?

There used to be quick response buttons to emails on this site. They got taken down- I suspect because they weren't being used. Clearly, they'd take even less time than 15 seconds. The puerile response of "No response IS a response" seems to have taken root- and not surprisingly, the people that write crafted emails have become a minority. But are all those profiles of men saying their looking for people fake? Or have these men gotten so angry that they vent on random individuals with no provocation?

There's something going on here I'm not understanding.

Sam

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RE: The need to be rude?!? - 10/6/2010 5:56:48 PM   
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What are you on about? You can contact a hidden profile privately-see that button saying 'PM' to the left of each post? Anybody who has ever posted to the forums can be contacted whether or not their profile is hidden. You are criticising angel because your own knowledge of how to use the forum software is incomplete.

Hiding the profile tends to cut down on spam, is all.


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RE: The need to be rude?!? - 10/6/2010 6:08:58 PM   
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Well VC- you're right- I never noticed that option. When I write to someone, I look at their profile first to get a sense of who they are.

Sam

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RE: The need to be rude?!? - 10/6/2010 6:17:18 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyPact


Not that this wasn't already addressed, but between this thread and another, it is very obvious that you do not have an adequate understanding of what it is like to be a woman with a profile on this site.  I'm actually surprised that more women don't hide their profiles around here to avoid what they can be subjected to through email.  The description of "rude" as given by the OP does not begin to cover it.  Rude can be just the beginning.  I'll bet I've received thousands of things through email here that nobody in the real world would ever be so crude or disgusting to ever say to My face.  Multiply that by a significant number a day over the course of years.

There are a number of women here that just don't plain want to put up with that crap.  I don't blame them one bit for wanting to avoid it.



I strongly agree with this. He has not a clue--and he's being very insistent upon proving that point to us all, apparently. Since I've hid my profile, I've been happier visiting this website than I have been in months. That tells me something important. For months now I've really dreaded seeing that I have email, because I know the ugly hostile mentally ill crap that will be in it. Being a rather open-minded sort, in all senses of that word, I don't just shrug that stuff off, I absorb, depsite my best attempts to deflect. Samboct's unfair and ignorantly hostile critique of BarelyanAngel reminds me strongly of this (former) daily dose of email vileness. It's really, I mean really, horrible for women on the personals. And here is someone deeply dissatisfied that we're ignoring his ugly ilk in private trying to drag that same stupid hostile crap to the message boards. Lovely.

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RE: The need to be rude?!? - 10/6/2010 6:35:21 PM   
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ORIGINAL: samboct

Or have these men gotten so angry that they vent on random individuals with no provocation?

There's something going on here I'm not understanding.



I do think it's a very special species of aggression, Sam.  It's like the sort of aggression that's behind graffiti on walls: some small, ugly thing that comes from a well of anger - fired off with little thought or reason.  Quick and jagged.  Sites like this, and the profiles on them, are the new repositories. The people who do it don't even have to fear the police catching them with perma-markers in hand, anymore. 

Sometimes, I think we miss the bleeding obvious.  When asked, 'Why do people do such bad things?', a part of the answer that one tends to forget is 'because they can'.   

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RE: The need to be rude?!? - 10/6/2010 6:43:17 PM   
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Interesting, Sam, I am not sure what YOUR problem is lol  but i and many many others who contact me have no problem communicating with me through my cmail.  So again, why do i need an active profile?  Ohhh sorry i didn't know i had to WANT to do what YOU want and have to make sure people have access to my profile so they can bother me with silly messages.  Silly me, i forgot i am supposed to want what you want.  Damn another memo misplaced.   Please do continue to tell me why i need to have an active profile. 

You know sam there is a saying, you can please some of the people most of the time and most of the people some of the time, but you can't please all of the people all of the time. 

But here is my favorite:  I can only please one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow is not looking good either

When your day comes up, i will be sure to let you know.  Now that you have had explanations by many people about hidden profiles, perhaps its time to bring it back to the OP.

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RE: The need to be rude?!? - 10/6/2010 6:47:06 PM   
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CaringandReal, i hear you big time.  Sometimes you just get -- tired. 

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RE: The need to be rude?!? - 10/6/2010 7:02:12 PM   
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There are mail controls that allow you to have some categories sent to your bulk mail folder.  However, there is no selection that allows you to pick and choose.  If you direct all incoming mail from other countries to bulk, it doesn't allow you to still have only folks from the forums to go directly to your regular mail.  I can't set the mail controls to only people that are going to be nice, or fit any other specifications that wouldn't also disallow contact from people that I want to converse with.

Many people join this site and leave within a short period of time.  Often, they will come back under a different profile if a lot of people have blocked them.  They just start over as a "new" person.  That three to one ratio doesn't include hidden profiles, people who are currently logged out, or any of the other reasons why every single member isn't showing up at the particular moment.  A lot of people on the East Coast will be signing off for the night soon, completely replaced by a different segment of folks who are on later for the West Coast.  Every few hours, that "active user" ratio changes.  Three different men to one woman.  That's how the emails add up.  They aren't just local people that write. 

This has improved a great deal since the new spam filter has been put in place.  However, it's not people from the forums that are most often the people sending spam.  It's the folks who are here for the free emails, often using the buckshot approach of writing anyone and everyone.

As to the bit about responding, sam, I'm going to ask you a question.  How many times this month have you sent back a reply to any of the junk mail that has arrived at your home?  The ads to change your long distance carrier, the grocery coupons, the letters from insurance agents asking you to switch to All State or Geico?  I'll bet you didn't write back to even one piece of junk mail that you didn't want to receive.  It's the very same principle.  There is no obligation to return a correspondence just because somebody wrote one.


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RE: The need to be rude?!? - 10/6/2010 7:35:36 PM   
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I must admit, I don't get the email issue. Aren't there mail controls that allow you to limit who sends you mail? Perhaps there need to be better controls if this is such an issue. Are people who are complaining about getting emails using these controls? Do they work?

Yes, they work. I do not use them because I like to receive cmail from friends here on the forums or on the other side. If the controls are used, most of those messages would go to my bulk folder. That said, there are no filters marked 'asshole', 'wanker' or 'drive by insult', so we have to put up with it if our profile is active. What we do have is the new spam reporting system, which is cutting down on the deluge.
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I did a little quick estimate on the number of males/females in CT (past hour- did a quick count.) It was something like 30F/85M so around a 3:1 ratio. So I don't understand where all these emails are coming from- there just aren't that many men to send them.

Try CA, as that is where LP and I both live. Not that it matters, as I get mail from all over the US and many other countries as well.
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Maybe mail controls to limit mail from people who have posted if that's a concern? I suspect that geographically limited emails might also make sense- hence no need for the bellyaches about emails from Nicaragua or wherever.

You really should check the mail controls before talking about changing them. You can route out of state, out of country, male, female, Dominant, submissive, couples, and above/ below certain ages to the bulk folder. As I said before, the problem is that messages from friends can get lost.
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In terms of the time needed to write polite responses...I spend between 15 minutes to an hour (and occasionally more) composing an email to someone for the first time if I add in the time spent looking at their profile. I suspect that this figure is not far out for people that write a reasonable email. If I've taken the time to write the email, why is it so onerous to spend less than 15 seconds to shoot the quick response- of "Thanks, not interested- best of luck in your search."?

I have never understood this, personally. Is getting a rejection email really all that? For me, it would be worse than no reply, esp if i were to log in and see a bunch of new mails only to read, "Thanks but no thanks" over and over again. Ugh.
As I noted in the other thread where this came up, many of us stopped sending polite rejections because the response is often either insulting, an argument for why we should give the person a chance, or the person keeps writing just because you replied. It gets old.

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There used to be quick response buttons to emails on this site. They got taken down- I suspect because they weren't being used. Clearly, they'd take even less time than 15 seconds. The puerile response of "No response IS a response" seems to have taken root- and not surprisingly, the people that write crafted emails have become a minority.

They were a majority at one time? Not since I've been here.
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But are all those profiles of men saying their looking for people fake? Or have these men gotten so angry that they vent on random individuals with no provocation?

Ask them, because I don't have a clue why they do this.
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There's something going on here I'm not understanding.

That would be what it is really like for women on the other side.

ETA- Damn, LP was posting while I was parsing!


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RE: The need to be rude?!? - 10/6/2010 7:52:02 PM   
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Samboct's unfair and ignorantly hostile critique of BarelyanAngel

I think Sam has been pretty civil on these forums to date..I don't see where he's been either of those things with her even if  we were going with the flow of "People get what they deserve".


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RE: The need to be rude?!? - 10/6/2010 7:55:59 PM   
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Instead of complaining (general) about it why not hit that rotating invitation to "tell us what you think of the site" Some of your ideas might stick if enough of you speak up or we could just use it to gain sympathy.

I get tired of hearing the woe is me and excuses myself..I wish they would do something about it. Maybe I'll send them an email!


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RE: The need to be rude?!? - 10/6/2010 8:16:06 PM   
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Instead of complaining (general) about it why not hit that rotating invitation to "tell us what you think of the site" Some of your ideas might stick if enough of you speak up or we could just use it to gain sympathy.

I get tired of hearing the woe is me and excuses myself..I wish they would do something about it. Maybe I'll send them an email!


A lot of us have been contributing in that way.  Unfortunately, I don't know enough about website design to do more. 

The new spam filter has been a huge improvement.  I can't sing the praises enough for it's implementation.  In the month since it's been in effect, there has been a dramatic decrease in the negative first contacts.

Of course, the OP is probably being exposed to more of it because she is still appearing on the new user list.  That means she's getting a flood of the stuff.  (That part really does pass, but it takes a while.)


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