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RE: The need to be rude?!? - 10/7/2010 6:27:06 PM   
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For me the aggressive ones tend to be fairly rare, but I remember getting a lot more of them when I had a submissive profile, so I'm maybe not the person to ask.

I can't give you figures on this because I delete them. Maybe one really nasty one a month? Ish?

ETA: no, the post-filter figures are not bad at all. Which is why I'd still have an ad up if I wanted more partners


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RE: The need to be rude?!? - 10/7/2010 6:28:03 PM   
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I think the forums really help with this-my view of kinky internetz men is formed much more by you, Steven, RedMagic, Roch et al than by hit and run emails.


If memory serves, I'm the only single submale in that group.  Jeez.  And if I stop being single, will I even be posting anymore?   

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RE: The need to be rude?!? - 10/7/2010 6:28:19 PM   
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One guy springs to mind-he called my Fet profile esoteric when it was prettymuch blank

One of my favourite cmails came shortly after I joined. He went on and on about my beautiful eyes.... trouble was, the only pic I had up at the time was this one:






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RE: The need to be rude?!? - 10/7/2010 6:29:50 PM   
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If memory serves, I'm the only single submale in that group.  Jeez.  And if I stop being single, will I even be posting anymore?   

Hence the et al. Don't go all cloudboy on me, lovely one


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RE: The need to be rude?!? - 10/7/2010 6:43:06 PM   
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Hence the et al. Don't go all cloudboy on me, lovely one


What the feck does 'go all cloudboy' mean?  Anyway, I did notice the et al.  It's just that neither Et nor Al posts much these days. 

The point is, it does seem that there are very, very few 'OK' males who post regularly here.  This doesn't feel like a good situation to me.



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RE: The need to be rude?!? - 10/7/2010 6:46:39 PM   
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It's sadly true, Peon, if I were here to meet men it wouldn't be a uper great place.

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RE: The need to be rude?!? - 10/7/2010 6:46:57 PM   
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ORIGINAL: VaguelyCurious
Hence the et al. Don't go all cloudboy on me, lovely one


What the feck does 'go all cloudboy' mean?  Anyway, I did notice the et al.  It's just that neither Et nor Al posts much these days. 

The point is, it does seem that there are very, very few 'OK' males who post regularly here.  This doesn't feel like a good situation to me.


Cloudboy got cross the last time I listed awesome male subs, remember? He practically called me a Stalinist

And I disagree with you-there are plenty of *better* than ok males who post regularly here. I just listed the first four that came into my head.


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RE: The need to be rude?!? - 10/7/2010 7:03:17 PM   
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And I disagree with you-there are plenty of *better* than ok males who post regularly here. I just listed the first four that came into my head.



You know, if you keep saying - or rather implying - such complimentary things to me, I might just let you have some sausage-time with me after all.  I very rarely make that offer that to self-identifying lesbians, so you can count yourself very lucky indeed.

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RE: The need to be rude?!? - 10/7/2010 7:03:39 PM   
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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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ORIGINAL: VaguelyCurious
Hence the et al. Don't go all cloudboy on me, lovely one


What the feck does 'go all cloudboy' mean?  Anyway, I did notice the et al.  It's just that neither Et nor Al posts much these days. 

The point is, it does seem that there are very, very few 'OK' males who post regularly here.  This doesn't feel like a good situation to me.




I do what I can, man, but I'm a bit boyish to be a good example.
(Meaning I still like Christina Aguilera - whose new song 'You lost me" is amazing; seriously, listen to it.)

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RE: The need to be rude?!? - 10/7/2010 7:04:39 PM   
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If you don't mind my asking:  what proportion are aggressive and insulting?  I'm focusing on these, particularly, because of CaringAndReal's earlier statement that  'For months now I've really dreaded seeing that I have email, because I know the ugly hostile mentally ill crap that will be in it'.  I must say that's quite taken me aback.


For me, rough figures for outright nastiness or hate would be 5 to 25%, with the higher end of that seen exclusively when I gave polite negative replies rather than no responses at all.

Any positive response to one-liners invariably led to explicit propositions within a few exchanges, so I quit doing that. If someone can't be bothered to actually write me, it's a very good indication that they're into shortcuts in other ways, too, and mostly trolling for a quick fix.

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RE: The need to be rude?!? - 10/7/2010 7:06:47 PM   
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Oh Wyld Hrt

Give the poor guy a break... I mean he would have gotten to your eyes eventually, he was just giving your bewbage the respect it so richly deserves....

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RE: The need to be rude?!? - 10/7/2010 7:07:46 PM   
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For me, rough figures for outright nastiness or hate would be 5 to 25%, with the higher end of that seen exclusively when I gave polite negative replies rather than no responses at all.

That's one helluva lot more than I get-I wonder why that is. Do you think the fact that your profile is professional might account for the discrepancy?

(Or is this just another case where it sucks to be American?)


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RE: The need to be rude?!? - 10/7/2010 7:09:33 PM   
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For me, rough figures for outright nastiness or hate would be 5 to 25%, with the higher end of that seen exclusively when I gave polite negative replies rather than no responses at all.


I had a horrible feeling that someone would make such a comment - that a pleasant 'no thanks' is riskier than ignoring the writer altogether. 

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RE: The need to be rude?!? - 10/7/2010 7:16:22 PM   
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That's one helluva lot more than I get-I wonder why that is. Do you think the fact that your profile is professional might account for the discrepancy?


I've got a feeling that it might be because there's nothing aggressive in LNT's profile.  Perhaps a woman who does show aggression in her profile will make a man think that his being offensive isn't going to hurt her - 'she uses it herself, she's not going to be shocked by it', or similar.   

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RE: The need to be rude?!? - 10/7/2010 7:22:40 PM   
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I've got a feeling that it might be because there's nothing aggressive in LNT's profile.  Perhaps a woman who does show aggression in her profile will make a man think that his being offensive isn't going to hurt her - 'she uses it herself, she's not going to be shocked by it', or similar.   

You calling me aggressive?

I don't know-I've had aggressive profiles, fluffy profiles, blank-ish profiles-I can't say I've noticed any change. Apart from an influx of nasty stuff whenever I *change* something.

I ended with a line saying 'does any of this sound like fun?' a couple of incarnations ago, and within five minutes of updating I had a mail from a Dom in Germany saying 'no it sounds very very boring.'

A not-very-graceful giggling fit ensued.


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RE: The need to be rude?!? - 10/7/2010 7:24:58 PM   
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ORIGINAL: VaguelyCurious
That's one helluva lot more than I get-I wonder why that is. Do you think the fact that your profile is professional might account for the discrepancy?

(Or is this just another case where it sucks to be American?)


Probably the latter. For the purposes of this discussion, I was referring to my old, social-only profile on this site. I actually get less outright hate/aggressive/critical/nasty mail now with this professional profile than I did with a strictly social profile.

For whatever reason it was my friendly, sociable, welcoming profile that attracted more of the absolute nuts and the aggressive types. I also started out replying politely to pretty much everybody, even when I wasn't interested, and that really upped my number of creepy stalkers and angry, aggressive, ugly mail.

Sadly, I absolutely do not recommend that women reply politely in the negative to ANY offers or propositions, as I strongly suspect this is how I attracted so many angry people and so much nasty hate mail. Essentially what it does is earn you angry stalkers, some of whom will follow you forever and send periodic hate bombs from new profiles. The only way to get rid of them once they've put you on the hate list is to change your own profile.

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RE: The need to be rude?!? - 10/7/2010 7:26:50 PM   
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I do not believe that anyone has ever been rude to me on this site and everyone who has wrote to me about my profile has said only nice things.

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RE: The need to be rude?!? - 10/7/2010 7:30:11 PM   
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I've got a feeling that it might be because there's nothing aggressive in LNT's profile.  Perhaps a woman who does show aggression in her profile will make a man think that his being offensive isn't going to hurt her - 'she uses it herself, she's not going to be shocked by it', or similar.   


Actually my old profile was chatty, friendly, fun, geeky, sociable and welcoming, and it was what earned me the maximum crap mail. It wasn't aggressive either, except in its later incarnations when I was getting increasingly sick of the garbage. When I read my own profile and realized that I didn't like the defensive, angry person I was when I was here, I left the site entirely and shut down the profile.

My current profile doesn't get nearly that amount of crap. The "professional" filter works remarkably well in that respect.

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RE: The need to be rude?!? - 10/7/2010 8:06:26 PM   
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I had a horrible feeling that someone would make such a comment - that a pleasant 'no thanks' is riskier than ignoring the writer altogether.

I've made that statement on more than one occasion, because it is true. I am not, as samboct said in an earlier post, 'scared of  potential responses which are threatening/aggressive' (is anyone really afraid of an email?) I simply prefer to keep the nastiness to a minimum. I have enough mail to wade through as it is.

Of the 11 unread emails on the first page of my inbox; 3 are from male subs, 1 is from a Dominant couple, 1 is from a Domme, and 6 are from Doms. Of those 6 mails; 3 are one liners and 2 are copy/ paste. The 1 remaining actually read my profile and sent a nice mail; unfortunately, his profile is full of complaints and negativity. Of all these mails, I will probably reply only to the Dom couple's, even though I have no interest in poly. It is obvious that they read my profile, and the note had to do with a vanilla interest of mine. If that makes me 'rude', so be it.

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RE: The need to be rude?!? - 10/7/2010 8:11:04 PM   
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Let me define polite email, since there seems to be some confusion on this point. A polite email involves reading someones profile, figuring out some common interests, and discussing them with the recipient and perhaps making a suggestion for further interaction.

Frankly, the topic wasn't about polite emails.  It really did start on the topic of rude emails.  As has been mentioned, the word rude in itself is subjective. 

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My comment is that these polite emails are now going unanswered. This reduces the utility of the site as a whole since the ability to meet like minded people for sex/romance/one night stands is diminishing. A site such as this needs a critical mass to function. Loss of that critical mass means that the site will no longer be viable.

No, it doesn't reduce the utility of the site.  Many of us do just fine at this.  I'm still meeting just as many folks from CM as I ever did.

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There are two reasons I've heard for why polite emails are going unanswered:

1) some women are so overwhelmed that they simply can't find the time to respond.
2) some women are scared of potential responses which are threatening/aggressive.

You're skipping a lot of things here.  Some women just plain don't want to answer your mail.  It could be age, lack of a picture, something on your interest list that she considers on her hard limits, or a score of other reasons out there.

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N.B. I've focused on women's responses here, since it's clear that men initiate most email contacts outside forum discussion.

At least you have finally realized that.

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Relating to these points are:
1) Spam- defined as mail unmatched to the recipient and sent out randomly. Length or content irrelevant.
2) The nonexistent suggestion to send polite responses to spam.
3) That some men may send aggressive emails if rejected.
4) That aggressive emails may be linked to rejections of men who make advances without reading profiles.

I have really become confused regarding your sense of entitlement about responding to emails.  Why is it that you think someone owes you a debt of a return email just because you write one?  Might I point out to you that you didn't answer My question from earlier?  When you get emails demanding tribute or the other examples you mentioned, do you write them polite email back?

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Why rudeness thrives on this site? Attempts to solve this problem have been rebuffed.

What you are calling rudeness, other people are calling personal choice.  Not everybody has to use the site the way that you have determined that it has to be done.

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Let me reiterate some possible steps that can be taken:

1) Limit the number of emails that can be sent to new contacts in one day.
2) Provide a more visible tutorial on the tools on this site to block and delete spam and report unwelcome emails.
3) Develop a set of community guidelines or suggestions for both men and women. I think this thread clearly shows the problem is not the sole responsibility of either women or men on this site- it's due to the lack of responsibility that anonymity brings. Focusing on men or women as root causes leads to bathos and no progress.
4) Allow users more latitude to select what types of emails they wish to receive- perhaps based on MPAA ratings. For people that like sending cock shots, this would make sure that their recipients don't mind receiving them.
5) Perhaps block emails from senders who have not first read the profile of the intended recipient.
6) Limit emails to forum participants.

1.  Strangely enough, one of your comments earlier today was the huge advantage that this site has in comparison to Alt - the free email feature.

2.  I'm actually with this one.  The reason there has been such an improvement since the spam filter has been initiated is that people are reporting more and just using block/delete less.

3.  It's made no progress because some folks don't want to recognize the issue.  There are threads (the FAQ for example) that do talk about net etiquette.  One of the most popular threads on the entire site is Stephan's post on how to contact a woman here.  http://tinyurl.com/2pyp9h

4.  I'm going to wish you good luck with that.

5.  You've got a problem with this one.  Why should someone have to read a person's profile to comment on something they have written on the forums?

6.  This would work for Me personally, but it wouldn't work on a universal basis.  I get emails from folks who don't use the forums, but are asking questions about events in the area.  I've gotten notes from people asking Me for references about a third party.  I've had people want to know where I've purchased My corset.  They have never made a post.  (By the way, I don't consider those spam at all.)  Those are also uses for the site.

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Clearly the site administration has a challenging problem to solve. First- are these suggestions merely the result of an unhappy vocal minority and that the average user is content? Also-if FetLife is the competition (and from a business sense, it certainly appears this way)- then people who are happier sharing a community but are not actively seeking companionship may be happier on that site since it does not have the search features of this site. Implementing suggestions of people not actively seeking companionship might be counterproductive.

This is not a case of a noisy few.  At the next munch or event that you go to, ask any of the women there if they have accounts on CM.  Many women have left this site over it.  Read the thread that was reference here by LNT.  All of those women are listing emails from CM.

I'll be perfectly frank about this part.  People seeking a primary partner are no more or less important on this site than anyone else using it.  To be perfectly blunt, I'm highly successful at using this site in meeting people.  Just because My reasons for being here don't live up to your self-important standard, doesn't mean that I, or anybody else who is here for a reason other than yours, should have less of a voice on this site.


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