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RE: Don't bloody well touch me!!! - 11/26/2010 7:17:05 AM

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Of all the people who prompted me to stop posting Alex stuff, which one has succeeded so far?

Point of order; I didn't tell you to stop posting it.

I merely pointed out that by continually posting it you were making yourself look an idiot. In a free society, looking an idiot is your prerogative.

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RE: Don't bloody well touch me!!! - 11/26/2010 7:18:41 AM

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no head, no arms, no torso, no calfs, no feet....

not alot to get caught up on there.

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RE: Don't bloody well touch me!!! - 11/26/2010 7:19:18 AM

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Now, that is a different story. A scheduled grab-ass sounds great, as long as I like the grabber.

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RE: Don't bloody well touch me!!! - 11/26/2010 7:19:44 AM

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Wait, let me guess......Alex was the married guy?

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RE: Don't bloody well touch me!!! - 11/26/2010 7:22:20 AM

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Alex is the writer of the web site "prison planet"

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RE: Don't bloody well touch me!!! - 11/26/2010 7:29:00 AM

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Alex is the writer of the web site "prison planet"

Thank you Tazz.

Often his links are from another site....

Never the less, what fun is life if every single post is a sworn affidavit deposition?

I like to see what makes things tick- even if I conclude the wrong conclusion, I like to explore all the possibilities of motives of any given group.

It is harmless really.

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RE: Don't bloody well touch me!!! - 11/26/2010 7:33:36 AM

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I do not know who Alex is. I do not get wrapped up in stranger's lives.

When they talk about Alex they are referring to Alex Jones. He does a lot of stuff regarding fraud in government.

While the greater majority of his work is valid he tends to go a bit over the top on the drama side of the equation to draw peoples attention to what is going.

Basically countering media and government propaganda in the US.

He got his hands on and reviewed a lot of the CIA docs that Clinton allowed to be released until him and others made a huge stick about it like operation northwoods where the plan was to attack kill and fraudulently prosecute Americans for a false flag op.

When that hit the net in a big way the stopped releasing the rest of the docs.

He puts this stuff up obtained from what the average Joe would consider credible news sources and that drives many people out of their minds who want to pretend none of this is going on and basically keep the cows sleeping.

He serves a good purpose but because he tends to be a drama queen he gets a lot of flaq from all partys combined.

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RE: Don't bloody well touch me!!! - 11/26/2010 7:40:32 AM

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I agree with RO assessment.

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RE: Don't bloody well touch me!!! - 11/26/2010 8:06:42 AM

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I won't be able to fly with the current TSA options, but I have seen at least one video which was fairly positive. A woman decided to opt for the TSA-gropefest while stripped down to see through undergarments. She was told to put her jacket on (which is actually against TSA's rules).
Unfortunately for myself the options are to either be outed as a trans guy or be outed as a trans guy. If the employees read me as male and I have a male employee pat me down then something might be up with feeling my chest. If I'm read as female and have a female employee pat me down there would be a bit of a problem with my chest and a huge problem with my crotch and confusion as to why a dick is there. If I opt for the scan, they'll be able to tell that my chest may look "suspicious" or that my crotch might. People that use a prosthetic have been asked to remove them. This includes a woman who survived breast cancer being told to remove hers and a gentleman that had a...hmm...what do you call it? Urine goes into a bag instead of urinating into a toilet. This gent had one of those and warned the TSA officer that the pat down could break his bag and sure enough it did and he was forced to sit in his own urine. I do think that the intentions were for safety reasons but right now it's turning out to be all about degrading and humiliating people into submission/following absurd rules (similar to a police strip down).

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RE: Don't bloody well touch me!!! - 11/26/2010 8:52:51 AM

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No. I have no objection to the scanner, I don't care about them seeing me naked. My objection is with being felt up by them. I would never choose to let them grope me (if I had a choice). I don't really like being touched as a rule, I definitely don't want some stranger touching my intimate places. Even with the scanners, they are still randomly targeting people for grab-ass. That is what I was referring to. So, I was thinking that if I got naked, maybe they wouldn't have any need to touch me.

In that case, I really doubt you have anything to worry about. Considering the percentages of those selected for the scan, and the percentage of those selected to be also selected for the pat down; if you were one of those people I would suggest you also buy a lottery ticket....or avoid thunderstorms for awhile.

Furthermore, if they did select you for the pat down, they wouldn't be touching your intimate areas anyway. As the now (unfortunately) infamous "Don't touch my junk" video has shown, they touch legs up to and "near" the intimate areas, but they don't just walk up and grab the sack (in the case of men) or play "first date" (in the case of women). The TSA has come out and said they do not put hands between your clothing and your body and they do not "grab" anything.

That last bit begs the question from me -- if they can't put hands between clothing and bodies....what happens on a woman wearing a skirt? If she doesn't go through the scan, and they can't put their hands between her clothing and her body....she could have something strapped to her inner thigh that they'd never detect.

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RE: Don't bloody well touch me!!! - 11/26/2010 8:59:52 AM

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No. I have no objection to the scanner, I don't care about them seeing me naked. My objection is with being felt up by them. I would never choose to let them grope me (if I had a choice). I don't really like being touched as a rule, I definitely don't want some stranger touching my intimate places. Even with the scanners, they are still randomly targeting people for grab-ass. That is what I was referring to. So, I was thinking that if I got naked, maybe they wouldn't have any need to touch me.

In that case, I really doubt you have anything to worry about. Considering the percentages of those selected for the scan, and the percentage of those selected to be also selected for the pat down; if you were one of those people I would suggest you also buy a lottery ticket....or avoid thunderstorms for awhile.

Furthermore, if they did select you for the pat down, they wouldn't be touching your intimate areas anyway. As the now (unfortunately) infamous "Don't touch my junk" video has shown, they touch legs up to and "near" the intimate areas, but they don't just walk up and grab the sack (in the case of men) or play "first date" (in the case of women). The TSA has come out and said they do not put hands between your clothing and your body and they do not "grab" anything.

That last bit begs the question from me -- if they can't put hands between clothing and bodies....what happens on a woman wearing a skirt? If she doesn't go through the scan, and they can't put their hands between her clothing and her body....she could have something strapped to her inner thigh that they'd never detect.

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RE: Don't bloody well touch me!!! - 11/26/2010 9:34:20 AM

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RE: Don't bloody well touch me!!! - 11/26/2010 10:59:52 AM

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Unfortunately for myself the options are to either be outed as a trans guy or be outed as a trans guy.

Good grief that never even occurred to me, sorry. Must be an awful worry for those (potentially) affected.

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People that use a prosthetic have been asked to remove them. This includes a woman who survived breast cancer being told to remove hers and a gentleman that had a...hmm...what do you call it? Urine goes into a bag instead of urinating into a toilet. This gent had one of those and warned the TSA officer that the pat down could break his bag and sure enough it did and he was forced to sit in his own urine. I do think that the intentions were for safety reasons but right now it's turning out to be all about degrading and humiliating people into submission/following absurd rules (similar to a police strip down).

Ye gods. That really is beyond the pale.

The thing is, with TSA personnel, what you're getting is a sort of “built down to a price” police service; the wages aren’t going to be enough to attract people who genuinely want to do it, so what you end up with are a bunch of minimum-wage renta-cops who, human nature being what it is, would seem to show a tendency towards “Little Hitler Syndrome” ... in my experience most (though by all means all) cops get to exercise their authority in genuine cases enough that they don't feel the need to go throwing their weight around all that often. Plus they have long training periods and are assessed regularly. Not the same as these TSA jokers, by all accounts.

BTW "colostomy" is the term for a large intestine external collection point, "ileostomy" for a small intestine external collection point, and "external catheter bag" was all I could remember for urine only ... I can't recall the proper term for it, try as I might.

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RE: Don't bloody well touch me!!! - 11/26/2010 11:02:50 AM

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Stop the anti-profiling bullshit and none of this would be an issue.

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RE: Don't bloody well touch me!!! - 11/26/2010 11:07:08 AM

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Good grief that never even occurred to me, sorry. Must be an awful worry for those (potentially) affected./snip

Agreed. I had not thought of that either. They would almost need a trans TSA agent... and a private room.

Also- funny that there is not like a sheet- to screen out- woman on woman groping which I hear would turn on some straight guys... so a screen would be a good idea.... or maybe the shadows would make it worse. EGADS.

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RE: Don't bloody well touch me!!! - 11/26/2010 11:13:03 AM

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Is this non-junk-touching a new rule in the last week? Because I have read numerous accounts of men and women whose clothed genital areas were frisked by the TSA. To me, it doesn't matter if my clothes are on, they have no fuckin' right to place their hands over my genitalia.

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RE: Don't bloody well touch me!!! - 11/26/2010 12:43:01 PM

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Good grief that never even occurred to me, sorry. Must be an awful worry for those (potentially) affected./snip

Agreed. I had not thought of that either. They would almost need a trans TSA agent... and a private room.

Also- funny that there is not like a sheet- to screen out- woman on woman groping which I hear would turn on some straight guys... so a screen would be a good idea.... or maybe the shadows would make it worse. EGADS.

To be honest, given that a colostomy bag holds liquid, you might get some stuck up jobsworth trying to stop somebody taking one onto a plane in the first place. If they're refusing to let diabetics put a pen injector in their carry on luggage, they certainly shouldn't be allowing pissbags...

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RE: Don't bloody well touch me!!! - 11/26/2010 5:07:57 PM

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Is this non-junk-touching a new rule in the last week? Because I have read numerous accounts of men and women whose clothed genital areas were frisked by the TSA. To me, it doesn't matter if my clothes are on, they have no fuckin' right to place their hands over my genitalia.

Not according to the agent's explanation in the video, or what TSA has said of its search policies. When I have flown -- quite a bit between '96 and '03 -- I seemed to always be one of the ones "randomly" chosen for extra screening. To date, none of those screenings has resulted in anyone else's hands anywhere near my genitals.

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RE: Don't bloody well touch me!!! - 11/26/2010 9:01:31 PM

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You DO realize that your proposing a seven years and further back experience as having any relevance to the discussion at hand is some bit of idiocy, right?

Of course you don't, but don't feel alone. The clueless and those never having any sense of decency to begin with will argue the same, whatever recent experience or latest imposition notwithstanding.

That's OK. No different than others saying that they have no issue with those starving for a job, any job, being that they are so unqualified elsewise, putting hands on intimate places of those never accused of any wrongdoing in their life, or regardless of any observable implication to do whatever harm.

The essence of much of the 'argument', to allow some scrap of access to legitimacy to begin with,

"Fu*k you, fu*k your grandmother, and fu*k your child, it doesn't bother ME one bit", and that's all that matters." That seems to be the mantra here.

It's not a bad thing that people are exposing their true nature by their rabid defense of of having the lowest strata of society having his/her hands on a place that only would be accessed otherwise by long and careful assessment of comparability in any decent society..

Not to say that watching all these self-professed "Dommes" and "Doms" going so instantly face-down, ass-up on this one did not provide the greatest amusement, forget the exposure as fakes, but I wish I could ...

OK, sorry, but this is just too funny anymore ...

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RE: Don't bloody well touch me!!! - 11/26/2010 9:37:41 PM

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I'm glad I'm not the only one who seems to give a shit that our most basic rights are being violated. Seriously, can you imagine one of the founding fathers at the TSA checkpoint. "Mr. Adams, I will have to feel your breeches for weapons now". "I beg your Pardon, Sir?".

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