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RE: Weight and Master/Dom control - 11/29/2010 10:05:43 PM

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btw...i just told Daddy about this thread, and asked him "how would you feel about yourself if you gained 50 pounds?" of course i reminded him that i would still find him hot ...after laughing at me, he said, "totally out of control. just completely out of control." and with his personality, that would just be unacceptable to him.

LOL, that's not too far from how I feel when I'm overweight and as I feel at the moment regarding my waistline. That's exactly why I love knowing that Valyraen loves and desires me anyway. So that I know I have someone to lean on, to encourage, love, desire, and help me as I go back down the path and the scale again.

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RE: Weight and Master/Dom control - 11/29/2010 10:07:13 PM

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Yup.

Skinny meant underfed, overworked and ugly. It wasn't a battle of the bulge, to was a battle TO bulge. And, with sex being more accepted, chocolate is the new sin. The forbidden fruit.

Well lets say you and me as have a sinful night of chocolate breasts and tongues and we can leave the others out of the party ^_^

*giggles* I have a Tupperware container half full of leftover chocolate from fondue. Mmmm.... milk chocolate mixed with champagne and strawberries for dipping.

(and yes, damn it, I know that doesn't help with the out of control feeling referenced in another post! LOL)

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RE: Weight and Master/Dom control - 11/29/2010 10:10:45 PM

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Oh Aqua -bats her lashes-

back to the thread, 6 foot tall men who weight more then 180 pounds are OVERWEIGHT or obese a 6 foot tall man is considered obese at a very small 225 pounds. 6 foot tall at 190.... *coughs and chokes.... about somes opinions posted...* IS OVER FUCKING WEIGHT......

Seriously... Obesity is such a problem because the standards are nearly impossible.

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RE: Weight and Master/Dom control - 11/29/2010 10:14:19 PM

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It wasnt until america decided lets make everyone believe everyone should be no longer curvy or healthy in weight lets make a million dollar market on the fact people are fat.....
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The twist to this is now the fattening, unhealthy foods are the cheaper foods. Whole grains are more expensive than processed. Lean meat is more expensive than fatty meat. Drive thrus give more food for less money. Add to that, in our current society, people are rushed. Hurry to get to work, hurry to get home to feed the family. Planning healthy snacks and meals in advance takes a lot of effort. The majority of kids in our society don't get good examples of healthy eating. Add to that, food is the center of most social events. We get together with friends over food. Celebrate over food. Mourn over food. Most restaurant food is cooked with a LOT of oils and butter. So you might think you're ordering healthy but really loading yourself up with more fat. You think grilled chicken is healthy to order in a restaurant? More often than not its marinated in fat first. You think having salad is healthy? The dressing you put on it is mostly fat.

Some people are more prone to gain weight than others. I am. Some people are fortunate in that they can eat lots of boysenberry pie (heh) and not be affected by it. I'm not that person.

The trick is to totally educate yourself on exactly what's in the food you're eating, and its affect on you, and then to eat the right things and scale back on portions (the portions we actually need are much different than we usually eat). And this takes a lot of effort. Often times people aren't sure where to start. And with society frowning so much on fat, they feel defeated before they begin.

It is my opinion that even if a master/dom is not overweight, he/she ought to educate him/herself on healthy eating before helping a slave/submissive diet, or it won't work anyway. All those crash diets out there serve to drop pounds but they don't teach people how to eat, so people gain the weight back. Not everyone is educated on healthy weight loss, so to decide someone is fit to "cure" someone else's weight problem just because they themselves aren't fat. My owner is only a few pounds overweight, but if I ate what he did (even smaller portions of it) I would not have lost all the weight I lost. He is certainly fit to master me, even though he is not educated in the ways of eating. I don't need him to be educated in everything in life. I need him to know me, love me, and lead us in our relationship.

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RE: Weight and Master/Dom control - 11/29/2010 10:17:42 PM

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We find it easiest, in casual conversation with others, to say that we are dominant and submissive but we prefer to simply say that I am his girl and he my owner. Hopefully this made an ounce of sense and you can imagine me talking with me with my hands to myself over the keyboard as I try to find the best way to put it.

awww...don't worry because that totally makes sense. and actually i kind of cringed typing out "Big person and little person" because that's not really what i wanted to say...i was really thinking Father and child, but was afraid it might get misinterpreted. like, my Master is my Father first and foremost, but it is certainly not in some "Daddydom" way, i'm not a "little," we don't do ageplay, etc. i truly believe he embodies the spirit of my biological Dad who passed away when i was a teen...that maybe even some mystical way my Dad sent him to me, because he knew i still needed a Father. but then when i explain it that way people tend to get really creeped out, so what can you do? lol.

online it's best to just stick with M/s. but in real life we are known by some as Father and daughter only (they would be soooo horrified if they knew the things he makes his daughter do!

), some know us as Master and slave, and some, like his family, just know me as His. whatever works, as they say.

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RE: Weight and Master/Dom control - 11/29/2010 10:24:18 PM

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I'm glad it made sense to you and honestly what you said makes sense to me. But then again, I'm the nut who thinks animals find me in various ways when I need extra companionship and feel a strong kinship with a family member who passed long before I was born - truly believing she watches over me.

We've thought of switching over to M/s terms for general conversation but haven't for several reasons. The most trivial being that our relationship terms are going to confuse people no matter what we say and I just made it up "Insane" after five years...

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RE: Weight and Master/Dom control - 11/29/2010 10:29:09 PM

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true, folks will be confused no matter what. and to be honest, freaking them out just a tad every once in a while can be fun, so might as well enjoy.

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RE: Weight and Master/Dom control - 11/29/2010 10:33:57 PM

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See now you're a woman after my own heart!

*scurries off before she gets modsmacked or ownersmacked*

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RE: Weight and Master/Dom control - 11/29/2010 10:44:20 PM

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It is my opinion that even if a master/dom is not overweight, he/she ought to educate him/herself on healthy eating before helping a slave/submissive diet, or it won't work anyway. All those crash diets out there serve to drop pounds but they don't teach people how to eat, so people gain the weight back. Not everyone is educated on healthy weight loss, so to decide someone is fit to "cure" someone else's weight problem just because they themselves aren't fat. My owner is only a few pounds overweight, but if I ate what he did (even smaller portions of it) I would not have lost all the weight I lost. He is certainly fit to master me, even though he is not educated in the ways of eating. I don't need him to be educated in everything in life. I need him to know me, love me, and lead us in our relationship.

i'm with you completely on the statement in bold. proper education in nutrition and exercise is important, and one shouldn't assume that someone has that knowledge simply because they aren't overweight. but i don't think anyone made that claim exactly. i wouldn't assume a man to be a fitness expert because he happened to be of a healthy weight...but i would assume that at least in the area of weight, he was able to maintain some kind of self-discipline. but if i actually needed help in losing weight, then yes it would be crucial that he would have the education and knowledge to do so.

you said you need your Master to lead you both in the relationship. well i need that too, but i also need direct guidance in very specific areas. and obviously in order for that to happen, he has to be knowledgeable enough in those areas in order to instruct me as well as keep me on the proper path. it's a demanding job, but then it's not as if i actually need all of the knowledge he has available to provide (for instance, i have no need to ever learn how to balance a checkbook or file taxes)...our focus is only in those areas which will help me grow as his slave.

in relation to this thread, my Master does happen to be somewhat of a fitness buff, who works out intensely 4-5X a week on average. He is also well-versed in proper nutrition, and taught me early on what types of foods to prepare for us and how. meals are always well-balanced, we snack on tons of veggies and fruit, and though occasionally cooking can be time-consuming, the results more often than not tend to be pretty delicious, if i say so myself.

so i definitely trust him in helping me to maintain a healthy weight. for me, having a supportive partner just wouldn't be enough...i need the demanding Drill Sgt, behind me cracking the whip every inch of the way.

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RE: Weight and Master/Dom control - 11/29/2010 11:08:31 PM

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wow

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RE: Weight and Master/Dom control - 11/29/2010 11:14:37 PM

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*edited out in respect to the post I was responding to being edited out*

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RE: Weight and Master/Dom control - 11/29/2010 11:23:26 PM

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Ladies, please...

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RE: Weight and Master/Dom control - 11/29/2010 11:33:25 PM

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nevermind

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RE: Weight and Master/Dom control - 11/29/2010 11:51:58 PM

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Aquatic, damn way to smack me back to reality!

I'd say I got a degree in it but I actually got my degree in denying reality. Long story there.

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I really didn't mean to imply that skinny women aren't real. I do apologize for that. Just that I am NOT a GUY pretending to be a woman. Sorry been dealing with alot of fakes lately.

It's the 'Net - Free and well-intentioned advice: Over here on the forums, the more you protest you are something, the more people will doubt. Take that with however much salt you want.

*edited everything else out in respect to BedroomDomme - hopefully she won't object to what I kept*

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RE: Weight and Master/Dom control - 11/29/2010 11:59:00 PM

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Actually there was some solid information within the rant type format. That would be something worth seeing again.

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RE: Weight and Master/Dom control - 11/30/2010 12:22:18 AM

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i'm with you completely on the statement in bold. proper education in nutrition and exercise is important, and one shouldn't assume that someone has that knowledge simply because they aren't overweight. but i don't think anyone made that claim exactly. i wouldn't assume a man to be a fitness expert because he happened to be of a healthy weight...but i would assume that at least in the area of weight, he was able to maintain some kind of self-discipline.

Well in some respects that is what the OP indirectly stated in making assumptions about weight and pictures.

There are people who are experts in the field of health and nutrition and exercise who for whatever reason don't make it a priority in their lives when it comes to them for a variety of reasons. It can involve circumstances or more important priorities. Time or finances. There are people who make a living giving advice they don't follow themselves and are damn good at it in spite of that.

I actually know quite a few people who are of a healthy weight yet lack plenty of self-discipline. So I don't get where that assumption makes much sense. Believe it or not plenty of people can eat junk 24/7 and not do a darn thing but sit on their behind all day and look good weight wise.

I actually do many of the same things you claim your daddy does. For me it doesn't even take much in the way of self-discipline. I don't like junk. I don't like any sweets. Don't snack at all. Don't enjoy fast food or fried foods. You also will not find any in my house. If anything I'm more prone to not eating versus eating and you'd be hard pressed to find someone who eats less then me. To the point that those closest to me worry I'm not eating enough even though my weight would never suggest it as an issue. I also work out 4-5 days a week. So clearly it's not always a simple formula.

So it does irk me when people make assumptions on this topic. Even the pros often have to tailor and find what works for each individual. It's even more infuriating when the assumptions are coming from someone who has never dealt with the issue themselves (due to their body being different) or who are at different places in their lives. Not saying that is you but that is often the case. In this day and age being healthy requires time and money. In days past that was often not the case. Jobs used to not be quite so sedentary but nowadays many, especially the more lucrative and common ones, are. Things are so spread out we no longer can walk or even use a bike to get to where we need to go...at times it's not even safe. Healthy foods are more expensive then the cheap processed stuff so readily available which many people turn to because it's also not infringing on their time which is often seriously limited. So often it's not a case of a lack of self-discipline but a symptom of what our society has become in general. At best it's not conducive to it. Unlike times past.

To the OP congratulations in your own ability to gain some measure of self discipline within your life. You may have been out of control. I, for one, do not turn to food for comfort and I think that's a stereotype that has been overly perpetuated that has led many people to believe that is the cause and case for many overweight/obese people. Many are quite active and you won't find them sitting in front of the tv at night stuffing their face with twinkies. ;-) But I bet you'll find plenty of skinny people who do simply because they can.

I don't even see what the point of this thread was other then to superimpose your own shortcomings onto other people and to further perpetuate a stereotype that is often wrong but continues to feed that theory to other people who fully buy into it to lots of people's detriment.

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RE: Weight and Master/Dom control - 11/30/2010 3:27:52 AM

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like I screen out people who are rude to waiters

I did this

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RE: Weight and Master/Dom control - 11/30/2010 3:55:11 AM

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And there's a certain amount of low self-esteem and depression that goes along with that, any which way you slice it. Sad as it is, eating tends to be one of the few things that gives you any pleasure.

I was in a bad relationship for 5 years and self-medicated with wine and Ben & Jerry's. I gained 80#. In the year since I left him, I've lost 45#. I mostly made small simple changes - I indulge in the wine or ice cream once per quarter instead of every weekend. I go to the gym a few times per week. I feel really good when I'm at the gym - I've replaced the feel-good chemicals I got from carbs with those from exercising. If I'm stressed or depressed, I make sure I head for the gym.

I've had knee issues for the past few years which I was hoping would go away when I lost weight, but so far have not. So I keep my cardio low impact, got better shoes, got acupuncture. Whenever life presents an obstacle, I figure out a work-a-round.

I'm more conscious about my food choices - except for for Chipotle's, I haven't eaten fast food since watching Food Inc two years ago. (That ammonia plant did it for me.) I do a big batch of cooking on the weekend so I don't have to cook during the week. I have hard-boiled eggs and nuts on hand for a snack. Etc, etc, etc.

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RE: Weight and Master/Dom control - 11/30/2010 4:07:32 AM

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The concept most don't get is the weight issues of America is NOT a majority of people NOT being able to lose weight. I think people are using medical ISSUES and other ISSUES as EXCUSES. I am NOT saying the ISSUES aren't there, what i am saying is people use the issues as a crutch and MOST people know it. The fact of the matter is losing weight is HARD, and everyone has reasons why its hard. BUT for the MAJORITY of people out there, being fat is a decision they make because the alternative is too hard. When issues are there they are considered obstacles, for some its fining the time, for some its they don't put themselves first, for some it is because of medications they take, or they simply haven't decided to change their lifestyle.

People can't sit here and tell me that the majority of fat people have changed their lifestyles in order to lose weight. For MOST this is what they are required to do to accomplish weight loss -- CHANGE the way they live and many people don't like to do that because its out of their comfort zone. I have admitted there are some fat people wherein they won't be able to lose that much or quickely and yes that will create a frustration that will probably hinder them into not continuing to lose weight.

Obstacles for many become excuses. And you know what, i saw someone say that people don't have to justify anything to anyone and they are absolutely right. But to me the MAJORITY of people who complain about or need and want to lose weight aren't able to justify it even to THEMSELVES. Because they use obstacles as excuses.

So no, i don't believe that medical issues STOP people from losing weight, i believe PEOPLE and their use of excuses to themselves stop themselves from losing weight. And to put this in perspective, they could lose 1 pound a month and to me that is still losing weight and doing something instead of making excuses.

This is why i hold men who call themselves MASTERS to a higher expectation, to me a Man who is a Master, who calls and considers himself a Master enough to have the determination to own and master someone else, would in fact have the determination and the expectations of HIMSELF to make a determination not to allow his weight to control him but for him to work and controlling his being in shape.

There is a huge difference between a fat Man who calls himself a Master who does do his best to watch what he eats and who works out and leads an active life and a fat Man who calls himself a Master who doesn't do any of the former but says he has expectations of others to do same.

People don't have to agree with what i have said here, but when a Man calls himself a Master especially when he wants or determines himself to be capable of holding another in mastery, i do raise the bar for him and my expectations because of what he has determined himself to be are higher than what i would hold an average man too if he has decided that he wants to own me. We all have our expectations and yes, i do judge a Man especially one who calls himself a Master on how he maintains himself.

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RE: Weight and Master/Dom control - 11/30/2010 4:10:18 AM

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Whenever life presents an obstacle, I figure out a work-a-round.

THIS is what most people don't like doing in order to get in shape, because IT IS HARD and its sometimes frustrating etc so because of this it becomes less of a priority. This is what i speak of when i say for a majority of people they are not able to lose weight because of medical issues, for a MAJORITY of people its the obstacles are too hard to work around so losing weight loses its place as a priority.

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