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RE: Bdsm is wrong - 12/6/2010 10:51:21 AM   
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I think the article is full of shit as a christmas goose.

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Agreed, consenting adults having fun, can't see anything wrong with that

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RE: Bdsm is wrong - 12/6/2010 10:51:53 AM   
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................. 'cause most of the time, we men don't. We don't have the slightest clue.




I wouldn't say 100% of men don't have a clue......

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RE: Bdsm is wrong - 12/6/2010 10:52:13 AM   
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Sorry lockit, but it's a very unhealthy thing, if it suits you then fine but there's a reason your like this, if you opened up to a therapist you'd realise this at some point. Not one male submissive is happy the way he is, the nice guys very often have a great deal of anger inside of them.

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RE: Bdsm is wrong - 12/6/2010 10:54:13 AM   
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So, how do you feel about male subs who join armies and other fighting forces, and see heavy combat?

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RE: Bdsm is wrong - 12/6/2010 10:54:17 AM   
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Oh stevey... you are a submissive, I have no doubt.

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RE: Bdsm is wrong - 12/6/2010 10:55:12 AM   
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I answered that 'mistermonster'

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RE: Bdsm is wrong - 12/6/2010 10:56:01 AM   
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All women want is an alpha male, if any so called dominant woman on here met a strong alpha male they would ditch this lifestyle immediatly i've no doubt about that



Which colour is the sky on your planet?

Have you ever considered that some of the guys are strong alpha males show considerable strength by admitting their desires to sometimes submit? That some guys can be alpha males and masochists?

Don't tell me you're buying into the claptrap that all submissives are weaklings and all women are inherently submissive.

You know instead of telling Lockit that she needs to see a therapist, have you considered seeing one yourself and do a reality check?

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RE: Bdsm is wrong - 12/6/2010 10:57:25 AM   
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Now, of course we don't all fit nicely into categories as individuals. Obviously there really are some progressive men out there who dig domination, just as there are some women out there who dig being the dominatrix - for whatever reason. I'm not saying that people can't find submissive men and or dominant women, and furthermore, I'm not saying that they can't last as couples. All I'm saying is that for most of us, that's not really how we want it. A lot of people are getting caught up in politically correct pop culture propaganda, and getting completely confused about what the average man and woman expect from each other. It pays to understand how we've been programmed. Men want to lead, women want to be led.

What does it mean to be a take-charge male? It doesn't mean being an ogre. It doesn't men slapping women around - in fact, it never, ever means that - violence is that antithesis of being in control; it's usually a sign that a man knows he's completely out of control and is too socially stupid to understand how to control a person any other way. Being a male doesn't mean keeping your wife in the kitchen and bedroom. It doesn't mean discouraging her from getting a caree - again, the desire to confine is the exact opposite of being truly in control. A woman wants to know that your game is good enough compared to other men that you don't have to resort to these kinds of crude tactics.

Being the dominant male - the kind that women really desire - means that you, as a man, are ambitious to provide - and that ambition to provide should be greater than hers. That being the case, you won't have to worry about forcing her to do more of the nurturing and house management in the family, because she'll naturally take up those duties on her own when she can trust you with procuring the resources. That doesn't mean she'll give up her career or her other life for you - she won't. It's the modern world and in this day and age there's more division of labor - a modern fact of life that complements our evolution; it doesn't impede it. Consequently, it is natural for a woman to at least pitch in with respect to some of the areas traditionally governed by men exclusively, and vice versa.

But in the end, most women want men to do the majority of the leading and the providing; most women want their men to be even more ambitious than they are. Most women want their men to be intelligent. Most women want their men to be athletic and in good physical health. Most women see themselves with someone who can ultimately protect them, and their offspring. That means no wuss boys allowed.

Naturally, we have our own expectations of women. We want a woman to occasionally stimulate them with a challenge, but ultimately, we want a woman submit to us. We want a woman to be a good nurterer and someone who's reliable, someone we can trust with finances and, later, children. We don't someone who's going to cop an attitude with us. We don't want someone who looks at us as a meal ticket and picks a fight if they don't get their way. We don't want someone who's going to make demands or set ultimatums. We don't want someone who's out to compete against us and outdo us in every way. Hint to women: if you can beat your man at sports AND earn more money than he does AND are more skilled/capable than he is in just about every way, drop him - you two aren't gonna last long. I don't care how nice he is. You'll get bored, he'll get hurt.

It's not logical, it's bio-logical.

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RE: Bdsm is wrong - 12/6/2010 10:57:33 AM   
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It must be tearing them up inside mistermonster, there a nervous breakdown waiting to happen sadly

Regardless of what most progressive-minded men say, deep down inside, although he may not necessarily have to win control over the remote and may not mind window shopping on the weekend, there's an inner masculine beast that's wondering "dude: SHE's bringing home the bacon? Um, what the f*ck's wrong with this picture?" There's a closet macho man that doesn't want to be nagged about hanging out with the boys.

There's a rough neck that hates being henpecked about crumbs on the kitchen counter, as though his girlfriend/wife his second mother. And so when the tempers flare, a woman should understand the dynamics at play here. And the truth is, she probably does - she's probably just subconciously testing the guy to see if he understands what's going on, 'cause most of the time, we men don't. We don't have the slightest clue.



This answered the question?

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RE: Bdsm is wrong - 12/6/2010 10:59:52 AM   
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"violence is that antithesis of being in control; it's usually a sign that a man knows he's completely out of control and is too socially stupid to understand how to control a person any other way."

Nuh uh, Charles Bronson disagrees.

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RE: Bdsm is wrong - 12/6/2010 11:00:04 AM   
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It certainly did, the most common cause of sexual submissiveness in a male is having an over bearing mother, i'm sure people will get abusive when i say that, it's only natural but it's true.

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RE: Bdsm is wrong - 12/6/2010 11:01:38 AM   
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Actually, I think you really want to submit to a woman but are a bit angry and confused. You don't think that a submissive can be a healthy man.

It's okay darlin, many have felt this way and later found their peace.


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RE: Bdsm is wrong - 12/6/2010 11:02:47 AM   
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All I'm saying is that for most of us, that's not really how we want it.



That's the first and only sensible thing you've said since you started this thread.  This way of living is alternative for a reason.  It's not the norm.  Most people couldn't or wouldn't want to hack it.  That is perfectly okay.  There are wonderful vanilla relationships for them to live happily ever after in.  And frighteningly, some of us (yes, the messed up perverts) actually function healthily in BOTH.




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RE: Bdsm is wrong - 12/6/2010 11:03:04 AM   
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It certainly did, the most common cause of sexual submissiveness in a male is having an over bearing mother, i'm sure people will get abusive when i say that, it's only natural but it's true.


Yeah, but what does "common" mean anymore? BDSM is wrong...what's right? I don't think those answers exist. Not sure if they ever did, or if we were just more certain back then.

I don't know.

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RE: Bdsm is wrong - 12/6/2010 11:04:57 AM   
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Steve

Actually, I think you really want to submit to a woman but are a bit angry and confused. You don't think that a submissive can be a healthy man.

It's okay darlin, many have felt this way and later found their peace.



Don't worry, Steve.  There are lots of submissives in denial.  *grins at Lockit and scampers off*


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RE: Bdsm is wrong - 12/6/2010 11:06:02 AM   
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Okay then 'MisterMonster', i've had a read of your profile and it says you live for humiliation, you love sesory deprevation and speech restrictions.

Do you really think this is a healthy way to live? I think we both know the answer to that, your only 20, do you really think you we're born to enjoy these things? Of course not, if you truly we're a strong and healthy male, you wouldnt feel the need to control and humiliate, you'd attract women naturally and certainly wouldn't be on here.

Good luck buddy

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RE: Bdsm is wrong - 12/6/2010 11:07:37 AM   
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Okay then 'MisterMonster', i've had a read of your profile and it says you live for humiliation, you love sesory deprevation and speech restrictions.

Do you really think this is a healthy way to live? I think we both know the answer to that, your only 20, do you really think you we're born to enjoy these things? Of course not, if you truly we're a strong and healthy male, you wouldnt feel the need to control and humiliate, you'd attract women naturally and certainly wouldn't be on here.

Good luck buddy


His profile, like everyone else's on here, states that he ENJOYS certain things, not that he NEEDS them.  BIG difference.




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RE: Bdsm is wrong - 12/6/2010 11:07:50 AM   
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No, it isn't healthy.

I don't think 'healthy' exists. I think it's more an ideal than any real fact, because...everyone's nuts. Nuts-o.

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RE: Bdsm is wrong - 12/6/2010 11:08:11 AM   
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Well done, you found a mistake


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RE: Bdsm is wrong - 12/6/2010 11:08:27 AM   
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Steve, you are one very confused fella. Seriously, find a kink friendly therapist and get some counseling. No one should be as unhappy as your posts shows you to be.

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