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What is the difference between a slave and a slave? - 2/5/2011 6:57:19 AM   
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Status: offline 		The traditional accepted definition of a slave was someone used for mostly economic purposes and held in bondage usually against their will who didn't benefit equally in the fruits of their labor.

With that is mind what is your idea on the differences between that and slave as you think of it?

What would keep this person bound to their owner?

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RE: What is the difference between a slave and a slave? - 2/5/2011 6:59:45 AM   
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Status: offline 		The 1st one was forced to be, the second one (lifestyle) choses to be.

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RE: What is the difference between a slave and a slave? - 2/5/2011 7:01:41 AM   
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The 1st one was forced to be, the second one (lifestyle) choses to be.



That's the thing, is it fully a choice?

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RE: What is the difference between a slave and a slave? - 2/5/2011 7:05:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		in this day and age,and within this *cough* lifestyle.. yeah, it IS a choice.

I CHOOSE to submit myself to another, and if that submission leads to the slave thing, then yeah, it is STILL a choice.

Barring human trafficking, then submission/slavery within the context of BDSM is TOTALLY a choice, IMO,.

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RE: What is the difference between a slave and a slave? - 2/5/2011 7:11:37 AM   
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Status: offline 		People like to pick their own definition for words and this will end up making communication impossible because nobody will know what they mean when a person describes something using their own definition. For me a slave is something that is huge and red, moves along the road whilst stopping every now and then to pick up passengers.

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RE: What is the difference between a slave and a slave? - 2/5/2011 7:16:07 AM   
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RE: What is the difference between a slave and a slave? - 2/5/2011 7:23:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		The first has no regard for my mental and emotional well being; the second is a loving relationship in which my heart is cared for.

And yes, the second was a choice.  I might not have chosen my individual personal make-up, but I certainly chose whether or not I would enter a relationship, and whether or not I'd be enslaved in it.


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RE: What is the difference between a slave and a slave? - 2/5/2011 7:26:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		The black "old South" slave, like the white New England slave, was someone who had been abducted, and imprisoned (essentially), to provide work for the person who had enslaved him/her. In the South, slaves were used as agricultural machinery, a usage which is very inefficient, these days.
In New England, they were work helpers or household servants. In Rome, mostly for hard labor, as in mining, road construction, and such like, and as business help. In Greece, many were trusted parts of the family.

To simplify the situation, nowadays: A woman comes to Me. She knows she has to be Mine, for Me to accept her. We are compatible. She swears to serve Me, I swear to protect her, et cetera. She then serves Me in whatever ways she can.
She could very easily find a different Master. I could just as easily find a new slave. We each do not.
One can say finding a new person would be difficult. One could say We are "stuck in Our roles". One could say most anything, but the reality is We made commitments, and have become those commitments.

If Master and slave both agree, and both grow into a single person, then that is a consensual Master and slave. Or, Owner and property; depending on how tightly you specify the relationship.

The consensual and non-consensual slaveries are polar opposites.

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RE: What is the difference between a slave and a slave? - 2/5/2011 7:29:06 AM   
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ORIGINAL: GreedyTop
yeah, but you're off, like that :)
how are you?

Life is superb Ms Greedy, I hear they are reintroducing Dallas. How's about your good self?


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RE: What is the difference between a slave and a slave? - 2/5/2011 7:31:42 AM   
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RE: What is the difference between a slave and a slave? - 2/5/2011 7:33:23 AM   
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RE: What is the difference between a slave and a slave? - 2/5/2011 7:46:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		on the choice matter, you may have the choice of who and if you serve but do you have a choice on having the desire/need to serve?

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RE: What is the difference between a slave and a slave? - 2/5/2011 7:48:51 AM   
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I''m sleepy.. if it doesnt make sense, ask me later, with references to what I said,so hopefully, I can clarify. No promises.

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RE: What is the difference between a slave and a slave? - 2/5/2011 7:57:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'm rather pedantic.

To me a slave is someone who is forced into that position.  They have no choice in the matter and there is no escape.  People who call themselves slaves in a BDSM sense may say that they can't leave, but yes, they actually can legally end that relationship, even if they never would.

People can call themselves what they want, but the way I see it unless you're locked in someones cellar with no communication to the outside world there are only subs.

Feeling the need to strongly stress this is only my opinion and whatever people want to call themselves is fine by me!

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RE: What is the difference between a slave and a slave? - 2/5/2011 7:59:51 AM   
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ORIGINAL: osf

do you have a choice on having the desire/need to serve?


Depends on what you mean by "choice".  The choice is driven internally.


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RE: What is the difference between a slave and a slave? - 2/5/2011 8:00:40 AM   
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ORIGINAL: osf

The traditional accepted definition of a slave was someone used for mostly economic purposes and held in bondage usually against their will who didn't benefit equally in the fruits of their labor.

With that is mind what is your idea on the differences between that and slave as you think of it?

What would keep this person bound to their owner?

In my thinking, the only difference between the two is the matter of choice. One had no choice, the other does.

As to the question of what keeps a person bound to their owners in such a way? I would say, once again, choice. If a person is given a choice to enter into such an arrangement, then it's also their choice to stay within the relationship.

Of course, many other issues contribute, but in my mind, it all starts with that first choosing.

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RE: What is the difference between a slave and a slave? - 2/5/2011 8:03:49 AM   
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ORIGINAL: osf

on the choice matter, you may have the choice of who and if you serve but do you have a choice on having the desire/need to serve?


For me, the need to serve is there.

Although until a few months ago I would have laughed at the suggestion. I was submissive, not slave, in my previous relationships. With Master I gradually found myself needing to serve more and more, until we finally had a talk and agreed that I was HIS slave, and we should regard our relationship as M/s.

I haven't found it easy, but I have found it incredibly fulfilling.

I don't know if I would ever be slave to anyone else *shrugs* - I guess it's just down to interpersonal chemistry.

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RE: What is the difference between a slave and a slave? - 2/5/2011 8:07:08 AM   
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do you have a choice on having the desire/need to serve?


Maybe not, but you always have the choice on what to do about the desire or need. I have a lot of desires and needs, but my life goes on even if I can't fulfill every one of them.

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RE: What is the difference between a slave and a slave? - 2/5/2011 8:28:10 AM   
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ORIGINAL: SlaveOwnerDave

The black "old South" slave, like the white New England slave, was someone who had been abducted, and imprisoned (essentially), to provide work for the person who had enslaved him/her. In the South, slaves were used as agricultural machinery, a usage which is very inefficient, these days.
In New England, they were work helpers or household servants. In Rome, mostly for hard labor, as in mining, road construction, and such like, and as business help. In Greece, many were trusted parts of the family.

To simplify the situation, nowadays: A woman comes to Me. She knows she has to be Mine, for Me to accept her. We are compatible. She swears to serve Me, I swear to protect her, et cetera. She then serves Me in whatever ways she can.
She could very easily find a different Master. I could just as easily find a new slave. We each do not.
One can say finding a new person would be difficult. One could say We are "stuck in Our roles". One could say most anything, but the reality is We made commitments, and have become those commitments.

If Master and slave both agree, and  then that is a consensual Master and slave. Or, Owner and property; depending on how tightly you specify the relationship.

The consensual and non-consensual slaveries are polar opposites.

Re-quoted as sense and sensibility.
Beautifully put.
And I adore this phrase: "both grow into a single person," so thank you for that.


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RE: What is the difference between a slave and a slave? - 2/5/2011 8:31:22 AM   
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ORIGINAL: osf

The traditional accepted definition of a slave was someone used for mostly economic purposes and held in bondage usually against their will who didn't benefit equally in the fruits of their labor.

With that is mind what is your idea on the differences between that and slave as you think of it?

What would keep this person bound to their owner?

The former refers to enforced slave.
The latter refers to innate slave.
They are comparable only in as much as they are diametrically opposed concepts.


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