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RE: "Selling" your fetish - 3/16/2011 11:18:36 PM   
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I certainly don't want to deal with a paranoid schizophrenic.
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RE: "Selling" your fetish - 3/17/2011 3:50:59 AM   
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you shouldn't be [...] looking for something that involves men to begin with.


He says...to LaT.

Lol.




Ya, that got a snort laugh out of me also.

And then the SexyRed1 had to go and say "I thought that Dommes just dislike assholes, regardless of gender. " for another snort laugh. And LadyPact had to wrap it all up with a bunch of sensible reality. And THEN.... I get here "A man could only wish to have the same amount of opportunity that spoilt women get in this scene. " and realize what nicky's real problem is........he is pouty and bitter. He cannot STAND the fact that he doesn't have women falling at HIS feet, that the women actually have OPTIONS that do not include nasty little twits like him.

And for the record.......I actually like men very much. Aside from my canine companions, most of my days are spent in the company of men and I seriously prefer it that way.




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RE: "Selling" your fetish - 3/17/2011 4:10:13 AM   
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A man could only wish to have the same amount of opportunity that spoilt women get in this scene.


I don’t know about labeling women spoiled and I am far too new to this site to even form an opinion about the women frequenting it. However, I do know I have read enlightening and though provoking comments made by women on this site and feel I have been enriched as a result of them.

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RE: "Selling" your fetish - 3/17/2011 2:33:28 PM   
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It just never ceases to amaze me how its 100 percent acceptable for a woman to be bitter. It's like the social norm. Women won't be social outcast if they believe most men are users who only see women as walking kinks instead of people. Yet, if men have the same level of distrust/bitterness towards women, they are deemed as anti-social misogynists. The funniest thing about this is that the gender who has it the easiest (far far far easier) is allowed to be bitter while the gender who has it a 1000 times harder is not. Shouldn't this be the other way around? But what else is new, women are privileged in nearly all aspects in this scene.

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RE: "Selling" your fetish - 3/17/2011 2:55:59 PM   
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Nicky you are confusing the disgust of the women you've encountered that has been directed towards YOU and those LIKE YOU, to be directed to all men. I hate to pop your gloomy little bubble.......but you, and those like you, are not, all men.

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RE: "Selling" your fetish - 3/17/2011 3:13:23 PM   
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That's strange, the women in this forum talk about this type of distrust when I am not even involved in the thread. The dommes seem to mention this type of thing an awful lot. It's not hard to find a profile with a domme ranting about it.

It's very obvious, you can claim that it's not the way I expose it all you want. 

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RE: "Selling" your fetish - 3/17/2011 3:42:04 PM   
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I really didn't see anyone say anything about mistrust or bitterness up until the last page.  Yes, I fully agree that for heterosexuals, women have certain advantages over men.  It's not absolute.  For example, I happen to know a number of male tops and bottoms who also have the same advantages because they either have awesome topping skills or are just plain fantastic to play with due to what they bring to the table as a person.  Their stock is pretty up there as play partners.  There are a few guys on these boards that I'd laugh My ass off at them if they ever tried to pull the joke off saying that nobody would play with them because they'd be full of crap.

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RE: "Selling" your fetish - 3/17/2011 3:55:28 PM   
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A thought sparked by another thread...

One of the common things that I''ve seen here and elsewhere from dominant ladies is essentially the question, "What's in it for me?"  That is, when a prospective sub (generally male) announces that he's into being feminized, or cuckolded, or imprisoned, or penetrated, or whatever, he gets challenged as to what the Dominant is supposed to get out of it. "What's supposed to make me want to do that do you?  What's my payoff?"

An understandable question, but in some ways not one that occurs to me to answer -- because I'm not really a Dominant, and I don't get off on what the Dominants get off on.  I mean, sure, I can see some obvious benefits you can get from someone submitting to you, in terms of actual service (whether that be pampering, or sexual, or housework, or actual labor).  I could certainly enjoy 'using' a female submissive for a while.  But it would be fairly fleeting for me, because I'm just not really into that end of the power exchange in the same way, and I am not much of a sadist.  I can also appreciate in a sense a given Domme's desire to find subs who aren't just looking to serve anyone, but crave to serve *her* specifically.  (I recall being at a play party and seeing a young woman who seemed really excited at what she was about to do to her sub, and feeling envious that there wasn't anyone actually anxious to do similar things to me.)

But if I talk about fantasies and fetishes I have, I'm not so much trying to persuade every Domme reading it that she should want to do this to me.  I'm putting it out there in the hopes that it will attract the attention of those who already have those inclinations and might be looking for someone to indulge them with.  It's not that different from, on a vanilla personals site, saying that I'm into Jazz and canoeing (note: I am neither into Jazz nor canoeing, these were hypotheticals :)).  I'm not trying to talk you into being into them, I'm just hoping those who are will note it as a point in my favor.  So if I talk about feminization, I'm not trying to say you *should* want to feminize me...I'm just sort of hoping you *do* want to. 

Why *should* you want to?  Search me.  I can't tell you why you *should* want to whip someone or perform CBT on them (and probably can come up with reasons you shouldn't! ;)) but plenty of you do....


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RE: "Selling" your fetish - 3/17/2011 4:18:49 PM   
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Yes, I fully agree that for heterosexuals, women have certain advantages over men.  It's not absolute.  For example, I happen to know a number of male tops and bottoms who also have the same advantages because they either have awesome topping skills or are just plain fantastic to play with due to what they bring to the table as a person.


And a woman can just be the average woman and still get a 1000 men interested in her.

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Most men want me to cater to their bent desires just because I am a Domme.
I prefer men who KNOW nothing in life is FREE.


Oh I get it, in other words you are expressing that women are above men. What ever men offer to you is worthless as they are just men and all but what ever you offer men is like hitting the jackpot.



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RE: "Selling" your fetish - 3/17/2011 4:34:42 PM   
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And a woman can just be the average woman and still get a 1000 men interested in her.



An average woman can get 1000 men interested in seeing her naked. It isn't quite the same thing.

Aren't you tired of this rant by now? Go to a politics forum - at least you'll get fresh fodder for your vitriol.

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RE: "Selling" your fetish - 3/17/2011 4:39:34 PM   
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I fully agree that for heterosexuals, women have certain advantages over men.


It's different, but I don't know that it's an advantage.

Women have men constantly interested in them.  Men have to make the first move, which kinda sucks, but I'll take that any day over rejecting people, which is what women must do.

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ORIGINAL: DommeKeliDallas

Most men want me to cater to their bent desires just because I am a Domme.
I prefer men who KNOW nothing in life is FREE.



And I prefer women who don't charge me to play.  I've never had to yet.  And I could make statements about the throngs of female subs gamboling around my ankles, desperately hoping to catch my eye, but it wouldn't be true.  So I won't.


< Message edited by DarkSteven -- 3/17/2011 4:43:07 PM >


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RE: "Selling" your fetish - 3/17/2011 4:58:10 PM   
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And a woman can just be the average woman and still get a 1000 men interested in her.

I wouldn't go that far.  I know this never occurs to you, but does the thought ever enter you mind that I might just happen to be a good top?  Do you suppose that some folks might actually like My company?  That I might be interesting to talk to or I might just happen to be a decent friend?  Some of that stuff comes into the picture as well.

Sorry for the edit, but I missed this.
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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven
It's different, but I don't know that it's an advantage.

In certain areas, I would say that it is.  If we're looking at this from a top/bottom angle, I would say there are more opportunities.  When we're talking about things like learning topping skills and having the chance to practice them, I'd say yes because I see that on a constant basis. 

Let Me stress that I'm not saying that women don't have to do the same kind of compatibility searching, etc as men.  I'm meaning these remarks just from the casual play aspect.





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RE: "Selling" your fetish - 3/17/2011 5:00:46 PM   
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I think the topic is drifting a bit here. Let's get back to the original topic please.

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RE: "Selling" your fetish - 3/17/2011 6:37:34 PM   
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ORIGINAL: pinniped

I don't insist that she has to be into exactly, and only, the kinks that I'm into...but I do think it's vital that she not reject kink out-of-hand.



I see where you're coming from but I admit I don't understand this determination that it should be always related, always come together and always be discussed at the same time.

I see it differently.

When you go out for a meal in a restaurant you are hardly if ever making your decisions on the entire meal itself, but on one part of that element of the meal.

Let's say you go for a steak. You don't think about the side salad, the fries, condiments or other stuff because it's the steak which you are thinking about.

Generally I find the same is true about people and relationships.

I'm a playwright connected with theatre and the performing arts. Don't have an issue with getting bums on seats because I know that some of the people are generally willing to come and see what is being presented because it's my name on the billing. Others are coming for the same reasons, but not because of me but who is appearing on stage. This is irrespective of genre and content of what is staged.

Generally between people I find usually the first thing which seriously attracts someone to you is what exists between your ears, how that functions and how you function as a result.

Theoretically finding the potential for a relationship with me is very simple. You just have to find my mind. That can take as little as 200 words, either written or spoken.

I have found this to be generally true of most people and there have been cases where I've gone online, picked out a profile, studied it, walked away from the computer, thought about it, made initial contact and within a couple of hundred words - no more than about six messages - I have a domme considering the potential of a relationship with me.

It's also happened on the other side of the kneel, mainly with a couple of male submissives. Not even one word of kink was ever mentioned or discussed in the process. Therefore this is not a gender issue, at least not from what I can see.

But progress is slow, despite the fact that I'm very much open at this moment to exploring my domme side, am spoilt for choice when it comes to mentors, and I'm more than happy to get involve in a bit of the 'do me' stuff just for the experience.

I'm not bothered about the kinks or the fetishes. To be honest I'm not even that bothered about the dynamic, I'd be more than happy to be submissive to a domme or a domme to a submissive and not even think about being on the other side of the kneel.

To me it really is all about the person, it's about acceptance, it's about communication, it's about understanding, and it's about liking the person enough to want to get to know them better and become more familiar and more intimate. I need to see that both ways and for the right reasons and motivations.

The difficulty exists on both sides. Most people aren't prepared to make the effort to establish a basic connection in the way I need and want, but that saying I am making it more difficult for them by being so specific from the outset and refusing to compromise on the basics and I admit this openly. I've reached the age where I would rather be alone than in another dysfunctional or unfulfilling relationship. My choice, my responsibility, and I accept the consequences.

Now if you were to approach me with everything you, your character, your needs and information about your kinks and gender issues it's too much and I will back off. You see in the initial stages of a relationship it's important to know the difference between speculation and negotiation.

I am just speculating, but you want to negotiate. I don't want to negotiate, and I just see someone as you as someone who is unable to just chill, go with the flow, and let things take their natural course. Do I want to be developing even friendship with someone like that? No way. Why? My experience has taught me that my friendship with such people goes nowhere.

I can tell you point blank where your issue lies - it lies in your gender issues. You keep coming out with the fact that you're transgendered and into crossdressing and want to be feminized and yet you sit back enjoying the cushy social privilege of being a heterosexual male, not making any noticeable effort to deal with this issue and you're expecting a woman to do it all for you.

I'd like you to pause for a moment and compare notes with someone like Otter, who - if I had to make a choice out of everyone on this site who I admire the most - would win hands down.

Why? Because he's actually got up off his butt and done something about it. I'm posting on info I've gleaned from his posts but he's actually faced up to the issue, gone down the transition route, which in itself takes courage, but more than this he's also had the character, integrity and guts to turn round, stop the process and say 'this is me'.

I can give you another example in IsaNova who is prepared to give up everything and become homeless just to get to grips with who she is, and who came onto the boards and asked and is learning from the advice given.

These are just but two examples. Go browse the Trans section on the other side and you will see many more. Read the profiles.

I'm not saying you have to go through the transition, only you can decide that for yourself but generally breathing the word 'feminization' to a woman signals a major issue which is going to make her shut down. Why? Because femininity is individual, it comes from within, and if you don't make any attempt to embrace it or express it it throws up too many doubts and poses way too many questions, especially when you talk about it in general terms with crossdressing.

These are the questions which in your case need far more specific answers, and you need to be the one finding those answers, not leaving it to someone else to work out.

You can take these words for what they're worth, accept them, reject them, it's your thread and it doesn't bother me one way or the other. Start another thread if you like. It doesn't matter.

The bottom line - in my honest (judgmental) opinion - is that while you continue to sit back in your cushy male privilege, not make any effort, and make the feminization of you (and your gender issues) a primary objective of the relationship, then you're not going to get anywhere with any woman, or person, dominant or otherwise.

Selling yourself isn't so much of what you say, it's what you do, have done, and have achieved.


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RE: "Selling" your fetish - 3/17/2011 6:52:27 PM   
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yet you sit back enjoying the cushy social privilege of being a heterosexual male


Wow where are all these privileges? The last time I checked, the male is definitely the second class citiizen in this scene.

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RE: "Selling" your fetish - 3/17/2011 7:02:15 PM   
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Please remain on topic.

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RE: "Selling" your fetish - 3/17/2011 7:32:54 PM   
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It just never ceases to amaze me how its 100 percent acceptable for a woman to be bitter. It's like the social norm.


For some reason, I am now having this kinky fantasy involving a pot doing a race play scene with a kettle. 


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RE: "Selling" your fetish - 3/18/2011 8:30:01 AM   
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I just saw something in the journal section that made me laugh but also I thought would demonstrate what women are trying to tell men on this thread.

The journal writer (a woman) was surprised by how some men were approaching her and this is what one of them had to say to her. The type sizing is done by me to emphasize how something of this nature would be viewed by the female recipient.

" hello how are you ?  you have a nice big ass I love it and I want to talk to you more  I want to get to know you..."

Obviously the guy sending it is only looking for a piece of meat that meets his preferences/expectations and he gives a nod to what he considers being polite by saying hello and at the end by saying that he'd like to get to know her. Sure he does...because she has a nice big ass. It probably is never going to work for a woman to be approached sex/kink first but men keep trying it and seem to be dumbfounded when they get nowhere.

In the past when I was looking and got an email from someone who was interested, I looked at his profile and saw for various reasons that we wouldn't be a match and wrote back to say no thank you. He wrote again to ask why I was declining? Because from his point of view....we were a perfect match! I had up no picture, and a rather brief profile, but what he read there led him to believe that we were perfect for each other....what I thought didn't matter! He wasn't rude and wasn't really trying for the 'hurry get her before someone else does', but honestly thought once I saw things from his point of view, and got with the program, that I'd also see how perfect we were for each other. His decision to 'pick' me based on a few brief sentences was all that mattered, a little thing like what I thought had no value.

I see women trying to explain to men over and over why the dick first approach isn't going to work but they honestly don't seem see it or even want to listen.


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RE: "Selling" your fetish - 3/18/2011 3:09:37 PM   
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There comes a point when men simply have differences which at times they approach things different. To say a man is wrong for being different compared to women is as stupid as saying women are wrong for being different compared to men.

But what women majority do wrong is being condescending against male sexuality. I will totally switch off from a woman once I see a hint of this.


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RE: "Selling" your fetish - 3/18/2011 3:21:22 PM   
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Nicky you are confusing the disgust of the women you've encountered that has been directed towards YOU and those LIKE YOU, to be directed to all men. I hate to pop your gloomy little bubble.......but you, and those like you, are not, all men.

Actually, I disagree. To be clear I have always had a lot of success finding a partner. I have nothing to be bitter about. But it is my observation multiple times every day that women and mass media both say things about men that would be totally unacceptable were the shoes reversed. Once I pointed it out to Carol, she sees it also and is equally affronted. I've been amazed many times in my life by listening to two or more women bitch about "men" for an hour or two then go out clubbing to pick up a guy.

It's my believe that women's lib did a lot to unearth the societal stereotypes about women. The same thing has not happened with men.


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