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RE: "Selling" your fetish - 3/18/2011 5:15:19 PM   
Tantriqu


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ORIGINAL: lizi
I see women trying to explain to men over and over why the dick first approach isn't going to work but they honestly don't seem see it or even want to listen.


Oh, my hat, how true. What is it about tube socks and sad little semi-erections that men seem to think is their own private Axe fragrance?
They think they're cocks of the walk, despite looking, and acting, as illustrated below

Today was a particularly face-palm first-email day:
One switch told me I was denying my true nature because I 'knew so much about subs, you must be one.' As Ceelo says, FFFFForget youhoohoo . . .
A do-me bottom started off OK . . . and then his second sentence was that he's totally into cerebral palsy play. Yuckers.
And of course, the video introduction of a TV-me twirling in his maid costume. Blargh.

Yup, I'm reeeeeeally spoilt today, spoilt as the meat thrown at my eyeballs: what has been seen can't be unseen!!





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RE: "Selling" your fetish - 3/18/2011 6:42:24 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse
Nicky you are confusing the disgust of the women you've encountered that has been directed towards YOU and those LIKE YOU, to be directed to all men. I hate to pop your gloomy little bubble.......but you, and those like you, are not, all men.

Actually, I disagree. To be clear I have always had a lot of success finding a partner. I have nothing to be bitter about. But it is my observation multiple times every day that women and mass media both say things about men that would be totally unacceptable were the shoes reversed. Once I pointed it out to Carol, she sees it also and is equally affronted. I've been amazed many times in my life by listening to two or more women bitch about "men" for an hour or two then go out clubbing to pick up a guy.

It's my believe that women's lib did a lot to unearth the societal stereotypes about women. The same thing has not happened with men.



Then you are making the mistake of assuming ALL women share the comedic view of the media.


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My twisted, self deprecating, sense of humour, finds alot to laugh about, in your lack of one!

Just because you are well educated, articulate, and can use big, fancy words, properly........does not mean you are right!

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RE: "Selling" your fetish - 3/18/2011 9:01:04 PM   
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yet you sit back enjoying the cushy social privilege of being a heterosexual male


Wow where are all these privileges? The last time I checked, the male is definitely the second class citiizen in this scene.


The privilege appears to be in his head, like a few others. The reality is is that there is no privilege.. it's an illusion. It's the conditioning and the stereotyping from the media.

leadership makes a point which I actually happen to agree with.

I went out last night into Central London. I'm at a bus stop (sitting down) and a guy walks up to me. He makes a pass and tries to get into a conversation. When it comes out that I'm transgendered he gets upset and starts to get nasty with me. I stand up. He backs off and eventually walks away.

Thing is, I'm not doing anything but waiting for a bus. He was the one who assumed I was 'available', but he then got confused when he realized that I might not have pussy between my legs and God knows what he was thinking. I wouldn't like to say. But the thing is is that I never did anything to solicit his attention or encourage it. His reactions however revealed clearly what he had in mind and what his attention was.

It's the same thing, that perceived sense of male privilege, that he can get pussy just by walking up to a woman on the street. I find that demeaning, and I guess so too would any woman. Women have something similar, again perpetrated by the media, which gives a lot of women a sense of privilege simply because she has a vagina.

This explains why there is warfare in BDSM usually along the lines of the female dominant and the male submissive, the pawns of course being money and sex, but this war in reality doesn't involve all the women nor all the men, just the ones who have this deluded sense of privilege who get upset when they see the other side gain what they perceive to be an advantage to make the playing field level.

Isn't that how it is? The men getting upset because women are charging or seeking a tribute? And the women upset over the 'do me' subs and being seen as a kink delivery service?

Men are discriminated against just as much as women. Take two words 'domestic violence' and most people will conjure up images of some aggressive guy hitting a woman, or a female victim. But what about when it happens the other way round, and the men is the victim? It happens, but you rarely see any mention of it in the media.

But I feel some people are missing the point in the OP and why 'selling' your fetish doesn't work and why it is inappropriate to do so online or in the initial stages of contact.

I think back to my childhood, back among the tenement blocks in Glasgow where the street and that square behind the blocks was my world. It was a world controlled by women. Everybody knew everyone in the area, we knew the families in the block, the Pattersons, the Boyds, the MacDuffs, MacDougalls, and so on. Men knew they had to behave themselves simply because they were 'outed' by the women at the slightest opportunity of any wrongdoing.

This isn't possible online. Online you can be anybody you want to be. You can be yourself, be who you really are, and this is where I feel many people run astray.

They sign up to this site, browse it, the imagination runs riot and they're like a dog in a meat shop. It should be easy right? You're a domme, a female sub, a male dom, a male submissive, a crossdresser, whoever, whatever, it doesn't matter. All you need to do is find someone into what you're into and you're away. Right?

Wrong. Computers are useless if you don't use your noggin, and there are many people who tend not to use their noggin until they feel they really have to. It should be easy, women who want to be dominant, and men who want to submit. But it isn't. It's a struggle, it's difficult.

But the important thing to remember here is that it's not a problem with men, nor is it a problem with women. It's just a problem with individual people who have set their stall out, worked out who they are looking for and for what, and ... that's it. There's often insufficient effort made to find what they're looking for, very little compromise, too much emphasis on the kink, the sex, the pleasure, the dynamic, the role and too little emphasis or attention paid to the human being behind it all.

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RE: "Selling" your fetish - 3/19/2011 4:14:49 AM   
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ORIGINAL: stellauk

This war in reality doesn't involve all the women nor all the men.

Fantastic post in totality, Stella, but this phrase nails it for me. I think that's why I find it so difficult to take Nick seriously - my male friends/playpartners just aren't involved in this war, and neither am I...


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RE: "Selling" your fetish - 3/19/2011 8:20:53 AM   
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Exactly! And that is why I hate generalizations. Regardless of what they are.

Women.....not some women, not most women I've known, just women.

Men....not some men, not most men, just men.

Both, terrible generalizations.

Not ALL submissive/slaves 'sell their fetish'. Many do, perhaps even 'most' that identify as such via the net. But not ALL. Not ALL dominant women hate men, are greedy bitches, etc etc etc....any other generalization some of the bitter men that identify as submissive, like to project. SOME women that identify as dominant are those things, but not ALL. Online, they are certainly more visible than otherwise.

MOST of the dominant women that are interested in submissive men are smart enough to recognize that there really are some gems out there. They recognize that they may have to sift through a lot of chaff to find the gems but are willing to give a guy a chance to prove himself. I also believe that the submissive male gems are more than willing to learn and sift through the reverse chaff.

The unfortunate part, especially online, is that the chaff is the most visible and whiny.

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My twisted, self deprecating, sense of humour, finds alot to laugh about, in your lack of one!

Just because you are well educated, articulate, and can use big, fancy words, properly........does not mean you are right!

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RE: "Selling" your fetish - 3/20/2011 1:16:56 PM   
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While I'm pretty open to a lot of options, I do think it's wise to know if the things I really enjoy are things my partner likes as well, and vice versa. In many cases, something I might otherwise not thought of as interesting can be intriguing, if brought up in the right way, but feeling that my partner is putting up with whatever and didn't get anything out of it *sometimes* works, depending on their attitude about it, but isn't something I usually want as a steady "diet." Pinniped, one of the biggest reasons I've personally had issues with men wanting to be feminised is that they didn't enjoy the same things about it that I did, or what I got out of it wasn't enough for them. I have several gay friends who enjoy doing female impersonation (not over the top drag queen) and I've dated a couple of cross-dressers. They were all very *positive* about it, and it was like trading clothes with female friends - trying to figure out what would look best on them, accessorising, doing their hair/nails/makeup, stuff like that. It's fun, it's kind of nurturing, and I like how they feel about themselves when we get it right. However, it just isn't sufficient on its own to turn me on, we need to combine it with other stuff. Humiliation could theoretically be fun too, but only if I felt they were actually getting humilated/emotionally uncomfortable, and only if I was the one deciding what to do rather than following their script. If I were submitting to them, then doing it their way would be fun, but it wouldn't leave room for what I define as dominance.

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