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RE: "Free" Healthcare in Massachusetts - 3/30/2011 3:43:25 PM

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Joether, now you're putting words in my mouth.
If they're "the smartest people on the planet" in Boston how come there's so much fraud in that system?
Why haven't systems been put in place to cut down on fraud? Or any system that they do have in, why isn't it working?
Look at all the fraud in Medicaid/ Medicare, there's another group of "the best and the brightest" in Washington!
Those people will "tell you* how smart they are but when you see the results of their "work" it yields the same results as someone with an eigth grade education. (A college degree in third world countries!)
Somehow "things just don't seem to work out" when you put "smart people" into govt. where's no oversight and very little *supervision* do they? Why then are "govts" *Famous* for inefficiency, corruption and waste and fraud?
It's the "smart people" who need the *most* supervision.
Look at the people on Wall Street and Bankers and Brokerages. They're *real smart* aren't they?

Yeah, let's put more dumb people in charge.

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RE: "Free" Healthcare in Massachusetts - 3/30/2011 5:08:55 PM

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I just find it hard to believe someone can ask those questions, and yet understand the technique to post on a thread.

The first thought that came to mind was that old saying about a thousand chimps banging on a thousand typewriters

Than I felt bad about insulting the intelligence of chimps

Of course none of that happened till after I stopped laughing my ass off,thanks tazz,I needed that

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RE: "Free" Healthcare in Massachusetts - 3/30/2011 5:20:44 PM

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Joether, now you're putting words in my mouth.
If they're "the smartest people on the planet" in Boston how come there's so much fraud in that system?
Why haven't systems been put in place to cut down on fraud? Or any system that they do have in, why isn't it working?
Look at all the fraud in Medicaid/ Medicare, there's another group of "the best and the brightest" in Washington!
Those people will "tell you* how smart they are but when you see the results of their "work" it yields the same results as someone with an eigth grade education. (A college degree in third world countries!)
Somehow "things just don't seem to work out" when you put "smart people" into govt. where's no oversight and very little *supervision* do they? Why then are "govts" *Famous* for inefficiency, corruption and waste and fraud?
It's the "smart people" who need the *most* supervision.
Look at the people on Wall Street and Bankers and Brokerages. They're *real smart* aren't they?

Yeah, let's put more dumb people in charge.

Do you ever pay attention to what you say?

Rule, I wasn't "inferring" that we do that.
What I *was* inferring was that perhaps,.....just perhaps the "smart people" aren't that .....smart.
If you go back and re-read the post maybe you'll pick up on that! I wasn't offering any "solutions."
What I do know though is that we're paying "Cadillac prices" for "Chevrolets."

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RE: "Free" Healthcare in Massachusetts - 3/30/2011 7:01:02 PM

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Joether, now you're putting words in my mouth.
If they're "the smartest people on the planet" in Boston how come there's so much fraud in that system?
Why haven't systems been put in place to cut down on fraud? Or any system that they do have in, why isn't it working?

I didn't say anyone who is intelligent, educated and comes from good schooling, is ALSO scrupulous and honest. We have many examples of people being very educated and smart, doing things that just plain dastardly and evil (i.e. Madoff). I find most people state their is fraud in the system, and then fail to show evidence of such fraud. By evidence, I imply factual information minus the political bias/agenda. I agree with you in the regard there is some corruption and dishonesty; but no where in the neighborhood that your accusing is happening. For the Mass Health system to be as corrupt as you state, the budget for it would be signifantly higher then it currently is. So either, the accountant's havent caught up to the present day; or your information/figures are not as accurate as you believe them to be.

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Look at all the fraud in Medicaid/ Medicare, there's another group of "the best and the brightest" in Washington!

What does Medicaid/Medicare have to do with Mass Health? Should I accuse everyone in the US Marine Corp of 'staged killings' because some idiots in the US Army murdered non-combatants in Afghanistan? That is your arguement. Its wrong.

You want to talk about Mass Health, then talk about Mass Health. Don't bring in something else, in which state representatives and the Governor do not hold 100% control over. Last I checked, Medicaid/Medicare are federal programs; you have a problem with them, take it up with those that representant your state to Congress.

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Those people will "tell you* how smart they are but when you see the results of their "work" it yields the same results as someone with an eigth grade education. (A college degree in third world countries!)

Who are 'those people'? Some nameless person that you can crafted entire stories on to fit into your bias viewpoint? Give me names, and evidence that directly ties in the wrong doing. Last I checked, a person is considered INNOCENT until proven guilty in a court of law, by their peers. For you, passing sentence on people you barely know, with evidence you dont have, doesn't exactly speak highly of your understanding of the US Constitution.

Likewise, Mass Health is limited to the Commonwealth of Massachusetts. What purpose is there of stating an 8th grade education is good, for third world countries? We aren't talking about a place or people that are outside of Massachusetts, right?

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Somehow "things just don't seem to work out" when you put "smart people" into govt. where's no oversight and very little *supervision* do they? Why then are "govts" *Famous* for inefficiency, corruption and waste and fraud?

Like....

...The Bush Administration of 2000-2008? Yes, I recall that administration did quite a number of things in many industries, including two war zones, with very little 'supervision'. And what happened? The country got F-ed up. Lets just take the Iraq War for a moment, as an example. Apparent from all the other things we, as citizens were told, and later proved false, there was the issue of 'What to do AFTER, Iraq is in US Forces control?'

We were told, the US Goverment (through the White House, and the Republican Congress) that a plan was devised to handle the transition from a Hussein regine to a Democratic Republic. Within this mammoth of a plan, were 22 industries to be headed up by 'very intelligent and educated people' who had 'vast knowledge in their field'. Like almost everything else about the Bush Administration, there is what we were told, and reality. Of the 22 industries, only one of them worked as planned, and when the GAO studied it, they found the others were helded up by people unqualified for the positions. Further, they found multitudes of 'smart and educated' people with 'indepth knowledge on their occupations' that were passed up infavor of people that were loyal to the Bush Administration.

Oh....and the one industry that did well: Oil.

Now, your going to argue to me that Mass Health is even remotely on the scale of FUBAR's we observed in Iraq? By all means, popeye.....present the burden of proof.

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250
It's the "smart people" who need the *most* supervision.
Look at the people on Wall Street and Bankers and Brokerages. They're *real smart* aren't they?

Which is exactly why the Obama administration passed financial reformed, aimed at curbing some of the ways and means that allowed the current finacial instability to take hold and wreck the economy. And who was against it all, popeye? Certainly not Democrats or Independants. The same folks that F-ed up in Iraq: conservative Republicans.

Why can't you hold Republicans to even 1/10th the level of fury and anger you hold for Democrats? Why do you give a 'pass' on conservatives that are irresponsible with power, but 'unload' the 16 inch guns when a liberal steps even one milimeter out of line? No, seriously....

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RE: "Free" Healthcare in Massachusetts - 3/30/2011 7:12:57 PM

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Joether, now you're putting words in my mouth.
If they're "the smartest people on the planet" in Boston how come there's so much fraud in that system?
Why haven't systems been put in place to cut down on fraud? Or any system that they do have in, why isn't it working?
Look at all the fraud in Medicaid/ Medicare, there's another group of "the best and the brightest" in Washington!
Those people will "tell you* how smart they are but when you see the results of their "work" it yields the same results as someone with an eigth grade education. (A college degree in third world countries!)
Somehow "things just don't seem to work out" when you put "smart people" into govt. where's no oversight and very little *supervision* do they? Why then are "govts" *Famous* for inefficiency, corruption and waste and fraud?
It's the "smart people" who need the *most* supervision.
Look at the people on Wall Street and Bankers and Brokerages. They're *real smart* aren't they?

Yeah, let's put more dumb people in charge.

Do you ever pay attention to what you say?

Rule, I wasn't "inferring" that we do that.
What I *was* inferring was that perhaps,.....just perhaps the "smart people" aren't that .....smart.
If you go back and re-read the post maybe you'll pick up on that! I wasn't offering any "solutions."
What I do know though is that we're paying "Cadillac prices" for "Chevrolets."

Might have a little something to do with the fact that they're crooks. Which, of course, has nothing to do with how smart they are.

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RE: "Free" Healthcare in Massachusetts - 3/30/2011 7:41:34 PM

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A few things, one is you don’t throw the baby out with the bathwater so if you think this means you scrap the entire healthcare system and start over your wrong. Whatever problems are occurring right now these difficulties are correctable. Canada has experienced these kinds of issues before and by implementing proper accounting practices and procedures we don’t get stories like this in the news anymore.

Secondly, I find some of the assertions questionable. The idea that Canadians went to the United States for healthcare doesn’t make any sense. Perhaps someone visited Massachusetts and had an accident and ended up at the hospital or had a heart attack but that’s very different to implying Canadians go to Massachusetts for free healthcare, that doesn’t make sense and I don’t believe it.

Something is very wrong if paramedics are taking people to emergency with ambulances with questionable health problems. This is also something that doesn’t make any sense. In Canada we have to pay the cost of the transportation to the hospital by ambulance as far as I know. I remember my father getting billed for it.

Depending on your qualifications in some circumstances the government does pay for for the ambulance but it’s not abused here. And most people have to pay something – it’s not free.

• “All other Albertans must pay a portion of pre-hospital/emergency ground ambulance costs themselves, or purchase secondary health insurance to assist with the cost. This also applies to Alberta residents who travel in other provinces or countries.”

So before you get all excited about scrapping the health care system in Massachusetts or federally before it even gets started cold your heels.

And don't forget as weak as the federal healthcare legislation was because it didn't have a public option it's still reduces the deficit and the same thing for Massachusetts.

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RE: "Free" Healthcare in Massachusetts - 3/30/2011 7:51:31 PM

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I won't bother to address much of your post, except for this :
I read my local paper. And anythng else I happen across that day. Be it the Globe, the Herald, WSJ, NYT.

Local papers are good to have. I've honestly never found the Boston Herald to be a very good source of information. Not of local issues/problems, nor national or even beyond. If something does come up within the Boston Herald of interest, I'll check it against other news outlets. Sadly, the Boston Herald is a very conservative paper, and often, its articules have a similar bent. They diminish that which doesn't support the conservative philosophy, an as such, diminishes their credibility in my eyes as a source of real news coverage.

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You can throw all the accolades you want on Romneycare. The Governor of this state has made it one of his primary focus's to fix it, cuz it's broken. I happen to listen to him once a month on a talk show he does. He has repeatedly said that when Romneycare was passed they did it without thinking of the cost, all they wanted was to make sure everyone was covered and had no forward thinking to contain costs. No, there's no link to it, but I suggest you tune in when he is on the radio, talking to the citizens anserring their questions.

Has the Governor ever stated we should scrap Mass Health, and then do nothing to make it better?

When Mass Health was created, it was taken as an assumption at the time, the economy wouldn't get F-ed up at a national level due to massive federal debt, bad economic decisions, and people trying to rip the system apart because they have a political bias/agenda. Oh, and it didn't account if the nation fell into a depression for years. The numbers speak to this effect. The concept of the law, is to allow improvements to be made. Its not a Holy Bible, that when created, was perfect. Anyone that believed that, or still does, is an idiot. Can you predict the future with perfect or near perfect accuracy? Why are you blaming others for it?

Which is why THE PEOPLE, get TOGETHER, and DISCUSS, how to make the system work BETTER then it does now. I know you might be cynical of how our goverment works, assuming that anyone in a federal position is out to screw you out of your paycheck and steal as much from the state as possible. That is what we called 'paranoid dellusions'; Mass Health covers that in their mental health section....so you can get treatment for it.

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Interesting you chose to " argue " a point I conceded that the State plan is only going up 2%, but ignore that the private insurances are the highest in the nation, rising faster than any other state the rates are up by 30% and rising and that at this rate the state cannot maintain the plan.

Does the rate at which private insurance companies costs going up, directly related to Mass Health? Is that Mass Health being in operation, create a negative burdern on private insurance companies, the root of those companies raising their rates? If Mass Health was removed, will those private insurance companies make sure to cover 98% or more of the US Citizens who are residents of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts?

None of those questions are easy, MBMBN, and I'm not expecting you to answer them.

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And... emm, Joe ? Where did I get that information ? Well if you scroll back I got it from the Massachusetts Government webiste. So you can sit here and argue your nonsense, but the Commonwealth of Massachusetts acknowledges the problems. Funny you cannot.

I never stated on ANY post of mine, that Mass Health isn't without its quirks and problems. Any large scale operation has its problems. The difference between you and me, is that I believe those problems can be fixed with solutions. Those solutions might be temporary or long lasting. They might solve the entire problem or most of it while a proper solution is worked on. Unlike you, I know what castrophic suffering is like to endure without medical coverage.

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PS: as I have repeatedly told you I am a Libertarian NOT a conservative.

How I have learned to understand the 'Libertarian' mindset:

"They are 'for' what they are 'against'. And they are 'against' what they are 'for'."

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RE: "Free" Healthcare in Massachusetts - 3/30/2011 7:57:48 PM

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What's the difference between someone who isn't insured taking an unnecessary ambulance ride to the hospital and never paying for it, and someone taking an unnecessary ambulance ride to the hospital and making the state pay for it?

Sssshhhhh... as long as the bill's hidden...

Where've you been?!!??!

Stay!!!!! Don't go!!!!!

I am glad to see you back and posting again.

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RE: "Free" Healthcare in Massachusetts - 3/30/2011 8:25:31 PM

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Quick reply:

The issue that gets lost is that the program allows people with pre-existing conditions to get insurance. It eliminates waiting periods. When you get insurance through your employer you have no idea what it is like on the open market trying to get insurance. What should happen to people who get rejected because they have a health history? Not anything serious. Just a health history where they have common illnesses or conditions and have been denied coverage because 10 years ago they had their gall bladder out or were treated for migraines or young women who get denied because they have fibrocystic breasts or any number of common conditions. It is bullshit. Anybody who thinks it should be repealed hope you don't lose your job and have to try and get insurance on the open market. It would cost us about $300 more a month for equal coverage if we lived there. I just looked at the rates and chose a silver medium, Blue Cross plan, and it is about $300 more a month. I'd pay that for a guarantee that they can't drop me or deny me coverage or add pre-existing condition clauses. In fact what you guys have in MA is priceless. You just don't know it. Ask someone who was denied coverage before the law who now has it how much it is worth.

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RE: "Free" Healthcare in Massachusetts - 3/30/2011 9:14:14 PM

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Amazing how many people look a gift horse in the mouth.

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RE: "Free" Healthcare in Massachusetts - 3/31/2011 7:04:51 AM

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Yes, angelika Mass Health is a good plan, better than any private plan I know of. However, not every one who is on SSI Disability is eligible for it. Many, Many are not. They have to purchase Commonweath Care. And it is not cheap, when you factor in what they recieve in SSI each month. I have 2 friends who are on SSI. Both were nurses, one had a stroke and the other had back surgery that is botched. Their checks are less than 2K/mos and they both pay 249/mos and 275/mos. They both are on a lot of meds and they pay good rates for some of their meds and top tier rates for other meds, Neccesary items are not covered. The one with the stroke has very bad leg edema from the stroke. The special stockings she has to wear to help control this are not covered and cost $ 125 dollars per pair. Neither are eligable for food stamps, so when you factor in medical costs, they are left with a big chunk of money gone.

mbmbn

ETA : and keep in mind, it is not only folks recieving a government check who use Commonwealth care, it is working people who generally make income below the poverty level and/or whose small place of business doesn't have private insurance. They also are payingout the nose for, what I consider, crappy insurance.

A few more thoughts:

Many people who are working pay more for health insurance than the $249 and $275/month that your friends do.
I think back in 2005 I was paying 65/week and then in 2006 it went up again.

What would the alternative be for your friends if they did not have the option of paying for health insurance through the state?
They both have conditions that would pretty much exclude them fom buying into private insurance and even if they were accepted their premiums would be much higher.
What would their out of pocket expenses be without insurance?

Also, while some large clinics (such as Lahey) do not use samples, many doctor's offices do.
Have your friends asked their physicians about the availablity of samples?
Have they discussed with their physicians the expense of their medications to see if there are less expensive alternatives? There often are. Some drugs, such as Lantus of course, have no substitute.
All of the drug companies have assistance programs.

Some phamacies (such as Walmart) have prescription prices in which many medication costs are less than the medication co-pays.

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RE: "Free" Healthcare in Massachusetts - 3/31/2011 9:00:27 AM

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He has repeatedly said that when Romneycare was passed they did it without thinking of the cost, all they wanted was to make sure everyone was covered and had no forward thinking to contain costs.

Well that should win him a few votes from the Dems, since thats exactly what Obama/Pelosi/Reid are praised by the libtards for doing.

Edit: I misinterpreted that. The axis of evil did think about the cost. They then lied about the cost. Sorry.

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RE: "Free" Healthcare in Massachusetts - 3/31/2011 9:03:09 AM

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Nope, only fucktarded shitsucking neocons sucking each other off in the airport bathrooms are chanting that between dick swallows, and while it is the majority of your party, it is certainly a very small minority of our citizens.

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RE: "Free" Healthcare in Massachusetts - 3/31/2011 10:45:59 AM

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A few things, one is you don’t throw the baby out with the bathwater so if you think this means you scrap the entire healthcare system and start over your wrong. Whatever problems are occurring right now these difficulties are correctable. Canada has experienced these kinds of issues before and by implementing proper accounting practices and procedures we don’t get stories like this in the news anymore.

Secondly, I find some of the assertions questionable. The idea that Canadians went to the United States for healthcare doesn’t make any sense. Perhaps someone visited Massachusetts and had an accident and ended up at the hospital or had a heart attack but that’s very different to implying Canadians go to Massachusetts for free healthcare, that doesn’t make sense and I don’t believe it.

Something is very wrong if paramedics are taking people to emergency with ambulances with questionable health problems. This is also something that doesn’t make any sense. In Canada we have to pay the cost of the transportation to the hospital by ambulance as far as I know. I remember my father getting billed for it.

Depending on your qualifications in some circumstances the government does pay for for the ambulance but it’s not abused here. And most people have to pay something – it’s not free.

• “All other Albertans must pay a portion of pre-hospital/emergency ground ambulance costs themselves, or purchase secondary health insurance to assist with the cost. This also applies to Alberta residents who travel in other provinces or countries.”

So before you get all excited about scrapping the health care system in Massachusetts or federally before it even gets started cold your heels.

And don't forget as weak as the federal healthcare legislation was because it didn't have a public option it's still reduces the deficit and the same thing for Massachusetts.

Brain, where did I say to throw the baby out with the bathwater? Sheesh, go stand in the corner with Rule and Joether.
If we're going to have a conversation on this or any topic you need to comment on what the OP *actually says*, not on what you "think" they said, "might have said", "could have said", "thought they meant", etc. Just read the words.

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RE: "Free" Healthcare in Massachusetts - 3/31/2011 11:24:04 AM

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This from a man who constantly writes....

So are you telling me....

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RE: "Free" Healthcare in Massachusetts - 3/31/2011 12:08:53 PM

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And the fact remains, as was in the OP... fraud and corruption is running rampant. The Commonweath of Massachusetts can't even contain the abuse of the system, let alone the runaway cost of the system.

No, the real question is right here

“When the state set up the free-care pool, it was supposed to have the most cutting-edge anti-fraud system to go along with it, but it’s not up and running, and because of that, many millions of dollars are being wasted.”

WTF happened?

FLCPL, what happened? Well, in Massachusetts you have some of the most highly educated, *most intelligent people* and the best schools on the planet.
(*Just ask them!)

And is having the mostly highly educated, intelligent, and schooled individuals on the planet is a bad thing? According to you, 'yes', is the answer. Since your not part of the crowd, I think you just stated to the rest of us, what you really are: stupid, foolish, and poorly educated. An no, that's not the state's fault, its yours.

maybemaybenot's comment is typical conservative bull droppings: operate in panic mode, and display fearmongering to force quick, snap decisions that generally aren't going to provide useful conditions. Believe her comments until you understanding that Mass Health's total cost to the Commonwealth isn't anything major or even approaching minor. Honestly folks, Mass Health does have its quirks, but for the most part, its a really good system of health care. maybemaybenot would have you believe that most people on Mass Health abuse the system, were as I suspected less then 3% do.

Joether, yes, I'm stupid, foolish and poorly educated.
I went to a prep school in Boston and only have (one) "degree" but it's in business so that doesn't count, right?
Silly me, I should have taken a "degree" in The Humanities, that'd make me super smart, right? Sociology, Art History, Philosophy (with an emphasis in existentialism) boy did I get screwed!
To people who were trained in business administration seeing how governments do ,..."business" drives us crazy.
A truck driver who misses two deliveries can be fired on the spot but cost the state $10 million dollars and you're "just doing your job."
No checks and balances, no verification systems, no oversight, and no management.
You screw up in business and you end up in banckruptcy court or prison. You screw up in Massachusetts state govt. and you win a cruise in the Bahamas.
Maybe I'm missing something here but is there some *reason* that state governments can't be run *efficiently* like businesses?
And by the way I grew up in Massachusetts, (Woburn) and that state is *famous* for political corruption!
Try and get a job "on the pike" collecting tolls for $80k a year without your brother-in-law being a "State Rep."
Look at the $15 Billion "big dig" that Senator John "French" Kerry said, "will be a bargain!" Yeah, at $3 billion maybe and now it's falling down.
Cops and State Troopers who make $160k a year. All the liquor stores owned by "ex-politicians"
I could go on and on but you know all those things, right?

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RE: "Free" Healthcare in Massachusetts - 3/31/2011 9:11:20 PM

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I think I have heard this story before,the thing is in the version I heard,it was a welfare mother driving around in a pink convertible Cadillac.Do you think these stories are being authored by the same folks? Ideologically speaking of course.

No, it's an Escalade.

If fraud is so frequent, do simple shit like auditing. Jaysus. It's not rocket science.

Develop programs to deal with "frequent flyers" that suck up a hospital's emergency services. I've heard reports of ERs that spend 40% of their budget on about 20 frequent flyers. Often they are mentally ill, have no regular care, or are "noncompliant" with their medications.

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RE: "Free" Healthcare in Massachusetts - 3/31/2011 9:53:21 PM

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I think I have heard this story before,the thing is in the version I heard,it was a welfare mother driving around in a pink convertible Cadillac.Do you think these stories are being authored by the same folks? Ideologically speaking of course.

No, it's an Escalade.

If fraud is so frequent, do simple shit like auditing. Jaysus. It's not rocket science.

Develop programs to deal with "frequent flyers" that suck up a hospital's emergency services. I've heard reports of ERs that spend 40% of their budget on about 20 frequent flyers. Often they are mentally ill, have no regular care, or are "noncompliant" with their medications.

Outhere, you're right, it isn't rocket science.
But when people get into govt jobs they seem to think they're "insulated" from responsibility.
Governor Patrick keeps insisting that illegal aliens aren't on the system but the doctors nurses,hospitals, welfare people, police, fire personel, emts, everyone in the state knows that they are getting medical care illegally! He must be the only person in the Commonwealth of Massachusetts besides John "French" Kerry who thinks that. What, he "says" it isn't so so it isn't?
The problem is that many people in govt in that state aren't held accountable so, they don't care.
Getting fired is as common as a leap year in that state. No supervision no accountability.

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RE: "Free" Healthcare in Massachusetts - 3/31/2011 10:16:05 PM

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I think I have heard this story before,the thing is in the version I heard,it was a welfare mother driving around in a pink convertible Cadillac.Do you think these stories are being authored by the same folks? Ideologically speaking of course.

No, it's an Escalade.

If fraud is so frequent, do simple shit like auditing. Jaysus. It's not rocket science.

Develop programs to deal with "frequent flyers" that suck up a hospital's emergency services. I've heard reports of ERs that spend 40% of their budget on about 20 frequent flyers. Often they are mentally ill, have no regular care, or are "noncompliant" with their medications.

Where did you hear this?

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RE: "Free" Healthcare in Massachusetts - 4/1/2011 1:55:23 AM

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Joether, now you're putting words in my mouth.
If they're "the smartest people on the planet" in Boston how come there's so much fraud in that system?
Why haven't systems been put in place to cut down on fraud? Or any system that they do have in, why isn't it working?
Look at all the fraud in Medicaid/ Medicare, there's another group of "the best and the brightest" in Washington!
Those people will "tell you* how smart they are but when you see the results of their "work" it yields the same results as someone with an eigth grade education. (A college degree in third world countries!)
Somehow "things just don't seem to work out" when you put "smart people" into govt. where's no oversight and very little *supervision* do they? Why then are "govts" *Famous* for inefficiency, corruption and waste and fraud?
It's the "smart people" who need the *most* supervision.
Look at the people on Wall Street and Bankers and Brokerages. They're *real smart* aren't they?

Yeah, let's put more dumb people in charge.

Do you ever pay attention to what you say?

Rule, I wasn't "inferring" that we do that.
What I *was* inferring was that perhaps,.....just perhaps the "smart people" aren't that .....smart.
If you go back and re-read the post maybe you'll pick up on that! I wasn't offering any "solutions."
What I do know though is that we're paying "Cadillac prices" for "Chevrolets."

Might have a little something to do with the fact that they're crooks. Which, of course, has nothing to do with how smart they are.

Then what does that say about we who elect them?

That's a sadly cynical viewpoint.

While it has been true in some cases I like to believe that the majority of our elected officials are conscientious, even those who I completely disagree with.

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