Collarchat.com

Join Our Community
Collarchat.com

Home  Login  Search 

RE: Brtitish History as Ametica understands it ?


View related threads: (in this forum | in all forums)

Logged in as: Guest
 
All Forums >> [Community Discussions] >> Dungeon of Political and Religious Discussion >> RE: Brtitish History as Ametica understands it ? Page: <<   < prev  1 2 [3] 4 5   next >   >>
Login
Message << Older Topic   Newer Topic >>
RE: Brtitish History as Ametica understands it ? - 4/1/2011 5:36:57 AM   
gungadin09


Posts: 3232
Joined: 3/19/2010
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: susan34B

From the British perspective,your "Founding Fathers" were an 18th century version of Al-Qieda....just a bunch of terrorists.
There goes any chance I ever had of getting a visa!!

You don't have to run for cover. You know how it is. Whoever wins the war gets to write the history books. Incidently, the American Civil War is still called the "War of Northern Aggression" by much of the South.

Yes,our laws and decisions on interpretation of the law are based on case-law and it's review by the appellant courts.Judging from posts on here we are lucky not to have a written constitution.

Maybe so, but that would drive me nuts. i'm anal that way. i like things written down.

In the matter of the ruling on segregation in schools,as we never practiced segregation,the question never arose,although there is law regarding racial discrimination and human rights. 

i know you didn't practice segregation. My point (and i think Politesub answered it) was, if that kind of immoral law *had* been passed in the U.K., what steps might be taken to remove it, without the support of Parliament.


pam

< Message edited by gungadin09 -- 4/1/2011 5:37:33 AM >

(in reply to susan34B)
Profile   Post #: 41
RE: Brtitish History as Ametica understands it ? - 4/1/2011 5:55:16 AM   
Edwynn


Posts: 4105
Joined: 10/26/2008
Status: offline


Being born and educated below the Mason Dixon line and having read much of what was said concerning the American Civil War, and living in three different states in the same region, I never heard the term "War of Northern Aggression" until well into my 30's, stumbling upon that item in  some magazine in an opinion column I think, written by someone from far outside the region, who likewise was familiar with the ubiquity of the term in the South.  I did not realize how thoroughly unobservant I've been all along.






(in reply to gungadin09)
Profile   Post #: 42
RE: Brtitish History as Ametica understands it ? - 4/1/2011 5:55:59 AM   
gungadin09


Posts: 3232
Joined: 3/19/2010
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: Politesub53

New laws are passed by Parliament. They alone have the power as they are the elected body ( By the people for the people if you like )

Same here. But the President can veto a bill before it becomes law, and Congress, with enough votes, can override a Presidential veto. The Supreme Court can overrule unconstitutional laws, but not before the case actually comes before them. That usually means that there's a significant time lapse between when a law is passed, and when the Supreme Court can overturn it.

The UK Courts use precedent to decide how an individual law is interpreted. The Supreme Court here is the highest court of the land. As far as I know it has the power to refer a law back to Parliament but not to alter it. The reason for this is that it is an unelected body acting for the people. Any law refered back to Parliament is normally not used until the conflict between old and existing law is passed ( again as far as I know )

"Normally not used" is where i see the danger. Legally, is there anything preventing them from using the law, if they don't feel like taking the Court's suggestion and changing it?

Basically both the Supreme Court and the House of Lords act as a check on Parliament but dont have the power to over rule. ( again due to Parliament being elected )

i guess what i don't understand is how much a check they can really be, if they don't have the power to overrule. Excuse my ignorance, but what is the House of Lords?

As for old laws, some sections of the Magna Carta are still on the law books. Others have been reworded and updated over time. Kind of like an ongoing process. The following link on Parliamentary Sovereignty helps explain things.
http://www.parliament.uk/about/how/sovereignty/

Thanks, i appreciate it.


pam

(in reply to Politesub53)
Profile   Post #: 43
RE: Brtitish History as Ametica understands it ? - 4/1/2011 6:02:25 AM   
Hillwilliam


Posts: 19394
Joined: 8/27/2008
Status: offline
The British started out as fierce tribesmen on an island group.

A coupla thousand years ago, people started invading them.

After a thousand years or so, they got sick of that shit and started invading other people.

750 or so years later, those people they invaded got sick of that shit and started declaring independence one by one.

They have these inbred things called "Royals" that are useful as tits on a boar hog.

Their main industry is producing expensive cars that fall apart and letting tourists come and watch the antics of said "Royals"

(in reply to gungadin09)
Profile   Post #: 44
RE: Brtitish History as Ametica understands it ? - 4/1/2011 6:04:48 AM   
Moonhead


Posts: 16520
Joined: 9/21/2009
Status: offline
The house of Lords is the second house of Parliament (in addition to the House of Commons, which is the elected MPs). people get a seat in the Lords due to having a title or inheritance, and are able to veto bills that have gone through the commons. Blair spent a fair chunk of his period in office trying to limit their powers or do away with them, but had limited success with that.

_____________________________

I like to think he was eaten by rats, in the dark, during a fog. It's what he would have wanted...
(Simon R Green on the late James Herbert)

(in reply to gungadin09)
Profile   Post #: 45
RE: Brtitish History as Ametica understands it ? - 4/1/2011 6:06:18 AM   
Lucylastic


Posts: 40310
Status: offline
so not a whole lot then:)



_____________________________

(•_•)
<) )╯SUCH
/ \

\(•_•)
( (> A NASTY
/ \

(•_•)
<) )> WOMAN
/ \

Duchess Of Dissent
Dont Hate Love

(in reply to Hillwilliam)
Profile   Post #: 46
RE: Brtitish History as Ametica understands it ? - 4/1/2011 6:06:33 AM   
Hillwilliam


Posts: 19394
Joined: 8/27/2008
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: Edwynn



Being born and educated below the Mason Dixon line and having read much of what was said concerning the American Civil War, and living in three different states in the same region, I never heard the term "War of Northern Aggression" until well into my 30's, stumbling upon that item in  some magazine in an opinion column I think, written by someone from far outside the region, who likewise was familiar with the ubiquity of the term in the South.  I did not realize how thoroughly unobservant I've been all along.







Same here.

(in reply to Edwynn)
Profile   Post #: 47
RE: Brtitish History as Ametica understands it ? - 4/1/2011 6:14:51 AM   
Aneirin


Posts: 6121
Joined: 3/18/2006
From: Tamaris
Status: offline
I didn't realise until recently that the American war of independance of 1775 started out as a war between British colonists and the British Parliament and culminating in Europe aiding the colonists to rid the British attempt at rule of yet another foreign country, so America is the one that got away. If America had not said no to Britain or failed to rid British corporate rule, I wonder what America would be like today, maybe like other cast off former British colonies perhaps.

_____________________________

Everything we are is the result of what we have thought, the mind is everything, what we think, we become - Guatama Buddha

Conservatism is distrust of people tempered by fear - William Gladstone

(in reply to Lucylastic)
Profile   Post #: 48
RE: Brtitish History as Ametica understands it ? - 4/1/2011 6:18:11 AM   
GreedyTop


Posts: 52100
Joined: 5/2/2007
From: Savannah, GA
Status: offline
~FR~

my (limited) knowledge of UK history is mostly garnered frm my own independent study.  In school, history was mostly focused on US history (and understandably so, for the most part).

I struggled through the history classes, as do many students in the primary education classes.  Having to wade through the history of a country that many will never even visit would have been damned near impossible for those students that had no intention of going on to college after a degree in world history.

am I saying this is a good thing? not really..but given the state of US education (limited funding, underpaid and sometimes undereducated teachers, etc), not to mention students that just want to get their high school diplomas with as little fuss as possible... I'm not surprised.


_____________________________

polysnortatious
Supreme Goddess of Snark
CHARTER MEMBER: Lance's Fag Hags!
Waiting for my madman in a Blue Box.

(in reply to Hillwilliam)
Profile   Post #: 49
RE: Brtitish History as Ametica understands it ? - 4/1/2011 6:43:23 AM   
Moonhead


Posts: 16520
Joined: 9/21/2009
Status: offline
No question. I'd have thought the context for your country's past career as a British colony (apart from the bits that were French or Spanish colonies, of course) was going to be relevant, and some knowledge of UK parliamentary debates about the colonies, and trading conies' approach to these in the 18th century would probably be a big help in understanding why the American Revolution happened in the first place.

_____________________________

I like to think he was eaten by rats, in the dark, during a fog. It's what he would have wanted...
(Simon R Green on the late James Herbert)

(in reply to GreedyTop)
Profile   Post #: 50
RE: Brtitish History as Ametica understands it ? - 4/1/2011 6:55:54 AM   
GreedyTop


Posts: 52100
Joined: 5/2/2007
From: Savannah, GA
Status: offline
if I am remembering correctly (keeping in mind that we are talking over 30 yrs ago), those things WERE given a nod (Louisiana Purchase, etc.), but the politics of the other countries weren't gone into much depth on.. really only our reaction to the immediate politics that triggered our response.
AND the things that had worldwide (at the time) effects.  Rome, etc.  but those were all given MAYBE a chapter in a book, if that

(again, to the best of my recollection)

I am sleepy so I apologize if I am not as clear as I would like to be...

_____________________________

polysnortatious
Supreme Goddess of Snark
CHARTER MEMBER: Lance's Fag Hags!
Waiting for my madman in a Blue Box.

(in reply to Moonhead)
Profile   Post #: 51
RE: Brtitish History as Ametica understands it ? - 4/1/2011 6:58:01 AM   
slvemike4u


Posts: 17896
Joined: 1/15/2008
From: United States
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: Edwynn



Being born and educated below the Mason Dixon line and having read much of what was said concerning the American Civil War, and living in three different states in the same region, I never heard the term "War of Northern Aggression" until well into my 30's, stumbling upon that item in  some magazine in an opinion column I think, written by someone from far outside the region, who likewise was familiar with the ubiquity of the term in the South.  I did not realize how thoroughly unobservant I've been all along.






Born and raised in New York,I never heard the phrase till well into my forties.Coincidentally it was right here,the Civil War came up in a thread and one of the southern posters "corrected" me by re-naming it 'The War of Northern Aggression":....actually led to one of the most enjoyable weekends I have ever had here....riffing off of that thread and some of the comments made on it,I started a new thread,Lincoln savior of the Union or tyrant (iirc),Celticlord(sadly,no longer posting) and I spent the entire weekend debating the issue....and never was a hash word passed  between us.



_____________________________

If we want things to stay as they are,things will have to change...Tancredi from "the Leopard"

Forget Guns-----Ban the pools

Funny stuff....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNwFf991d-4


(in reply to Edwynn)
Profile   Post #: 52
RE: Brtitish History as Ametica understands it ? - 4/1/2011 7:00:18 AM   
mnottertail


Posts: 60698
Joined: 11/3/2004
Status: offline
Ametica?  Aneirin, you looking to start another piss up with our chaps?

We spell it America, and while you might be lax about it, Mr. America's poor old mother would like Mr. America's name treated with some respeck.

_____________________________

Have they not divided the prey; to every man a damsel or two? Judges 5:30


(in reply to slvemike4u)
Profile   Post #: 53
RE: Brtitish History as Ametica understands it ? - 4/1/2011 7:01:10 AM   
slvemike4u


Posts: 17896
Joined: 1/15/2008
From: United States
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: Moonhead

No question. I'd have thought the context for your country's past career as a British colony (apart from the bits that were French or Spanish colonies, of course) was going to be relevant, and some knowledge of UK parliamentary debates about the colonies, and trading conies' approach to these in the 18th century would probably be a big help in understanding why the American Revolution happened in the first place.
Oh,have no fear we tottaly understand why the revolution happened....your "Mad King George" and his parliament sought to enrich themselves at our expense...we objected.Really rather simple it was.


_____________________________

If we want things to stay as they are,things will have to change...Tancredi from "the Leopard"

Forget Guns-----Ban the pools

Funny stuff....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNwFf991d-4


(in reply to Moonhead)
Profile   Post #: 54
RE: Brtitish History as Ametica understands it ? - 4/1/2011 7:01:58 AM   
Moonhead


Posts: 16520
Joined: 9/21/2009
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: GreedyTop

if I am remembering correctly (keeping in mind that we are talking over 30 yrs ago), those things WERE given a nod (Louisiana Purchase, etc.), but the politics of the other countries weren't gone into much depth on.. really only our reaction to the immediate politics that triggered our response.
AND the things that had worldwide (at the time) effects.  Rome, etc.  but those were all given MAYBE a chapter in a book, if that

(again, to the best of my recollection)

I am sleepy so I apologize if I am not as clear as I would like to be...


That sounds about right. I thought that the Louisiana Purchase came about after the War of Independence, though: surely there wasn't anybody to buy Louisiana prior to that?

_____________________________

I like to think he was eaten by rats, in the dark, during a fog. It's what he would have wanted...
(Simon R Green on the late James Herbert)

(in reply to GreedyTop)
Profile   Post #: 55
RE: Brtitish History as Ametica understands it ? - 4/1/2011 7:02:07 AM   
mnottertail


Posts: 60698
Joined: 11/3/2004
Status: offline
George Washington coulda been theirs for the price of a Major Generalship.

_____________________________

Have they not divided the prey; to every man a damsel or two? Judges 5:30


(in reply to slvemike4u)
Profile   Post #: 56
RE: Brtitish History as Ametica understands it ? - 4/1/2011 7:05:54 AM   
slvemike4u


Posts: 17896
Joined: 1/15/2008
From: United States
Status: offline
Jefferson ,defying his previously held estimation of Presidential Powers(funny how prior to assuming that office folks tend to dismiss the scope of power present in said office)completed the purchase with France well after the Revolution.Napoleon needed the money so as to wage war on the continent...I think you chaps were involved a wee bit in that dust up.


I hate when they do that....In reply to moon,not ron


< Message edited by slvemike4u -- 4/1/2011 7:07:01 AM >


_____________________________

If we want things to stay as they are,things will have to change...Tancredi from "the Leopard"

Forget Guns-----Ban the pools

Funny stuff....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNwFf991d-4


(in reply to mnottertail)
Profile   Post #: 57
RE: Brtitish History as Ametica understands it ? - 4/1/2011 7:08:05 AM   
Moonhead


Posts: 16520
Joined: 9/21/2009
Status: offline
So I'm told.



_____________________________

I like to think he was eaten by rats, in the dark, during a fog. It's what he would have wanted...
(Simon R Green on the late James Herbert)

(in reply to slvemike4u)
Profile   Post #: 58
RE: Brtitish History as Ametica understands it ? - 4/1/2011 7:10:30 AM   
Lucylastic


Posts: 40310
Status: offline
Meh it depends on what interests you too, My hubby is from my home town and altho years older than me, he had very little interest in history or geography, on the other hand, myself, loved history and was naturally good at geography(altho I still have to check to see which is my left and right hand.)
I was already to go and get a degree in history and then whooosh life changed, but its still a topic I do love, mostly ancient history.
Ive never been much interested in the US history, that is until I met my pet, and as he is from PA via WV Ive learned  more about the civil war than I ever thought possible, he was also responsible for my interest in politics in the US..altho he is most certainly a republican, heh
Learning is FUN:)


_____________________________

(•_•)
<) )╯SUCH
/ \

\(•_•)
( (> A NASTY
/ \

(•_•)
<) )> WOMAN
/ \

Duchess Of Dissent
Dont Hate Love

(in reply to GreedyTop)
Profile   Post #: 59
RE: Brtitish History as Ametica understands it ? - 4/1/2011 7:11:11 AM   
slvemike4u


Posts: 17896
Joined: 1/15/2008
From: United States
Status: offline
How did that turn out for you guys.Napoleon being a military genius and all that ?


_____________________________

If we want things to stay as they are,things will have to change...Tancredi from "the Leopard"

Forget Guns-----Ban the pools

Funny stuff....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNwFf991d-4


(in reply to Moonhead)
Profile   Post #: 60
Page:   <<   < prev  1 2 [3] 4 5   next >   >>
All Forums >> [Community Discussions] >> Dungeon of Political and Religious Discussion >> RE: Brtitish History as Ametica understands it ? Page: <<   < prev  1 2 [3] 4 5   next >   >>
Jump to:





New Messages No New Messages
Hot Topic w/ New Messages Hot Topic w/o New Messages
Locked w/ New Messages Locked w/o New Messages
 Post New Thread
 Reply to Message
 Post New Poll
 Submit Vote
 Delete My Own Post
 Delete My Own Thread
 Rate Posts




Collarchat.com © 2024
Terms of Service Privacy Policy Spam Policy

0.092