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RE: Brtitish History as Ametica understands it ? - 4/2/2011 5:43:57 PM   
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RE: Brtitish History as Ametica understands it ? - 4/2/2011 5:48:14 PM   
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In case it might have escaped notice heretofore, the original OP pressed others as to their 'understanding' of British history. Putting aside for the moment that the British have historically displayed every evidence of lacking ability to understand much of anything outside their own immediate ends, let's investigate why the question was never rendered as "what do Americans understand about history of other countries?"



We must be in competition for the world's least knowledgable people. I'd estimate that a representative sample of the peoples of continental Europe would have your lot leading the way with our lot tucking in behind ready to strike at the bell. Seems strange that two peoples who have exported so much over the years and had such an influence on the modern world, do not understand that same world.

In my view, the British understand the world very well, and have a remarkable aptitude for bringing people round to our way of thinking, which of course can only be achieved though an understanding of how they think/what they need to hear. 

The real issue is that down the years we've looked over the English Channel to our nearest and dearest neighbours and witnessed the political volatility that the French and Germans seem to make a way of life.  They've been trouble down the years and perhaps this has led to an insular outlook on our part where we appreciate home comforts, but we understand them well enough - make no mistake about that.

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RE: Brtitish History as Ametica understands it ? - 4/2/2011 6:18:42 PM   
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You had as much to do with it as I did.
Jews were not treated well...I dont think anyone can deny that, but mostly it was religious fear and ignorance. But as we know thats still rampant today in certain areas




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RE: Brtitish History as Ametica understands it ? - 4/2/2011 6:21:50 PM   
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RE: Brtitish History as Ametica understands it ? - 4/2/2011 8:38:09 PM   
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Interestingly,one of the signers,who by the measure I have put forth ,could be considered a "Founding Father" later repudiated the document ,betraying his  pledge made to each other with "our Lives,our Fortune and our Sacred Honor"...Richard Stockton of New Jersey
Five signers in all were captured by the British...only Stockton made such an ignoble deal.None of them ,by any report ,were tortured or subject to "special" treatment from their British captors.
What any of this has to do with British history is tenuous at best,ceptin that at the time the two histories do sort of intersect

The ultimate David and Goliath of all revolutions...an upstart bunch of ragtag shoe-clerks and rednecks kicked the worlds super power out of her prized colony ? I'd say that is a very big moment in British history.

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RE: Brtitish History as Ametica understands it ? - 4/2/2011 8:58:06 PM   
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Interestingly,one of the signers,who by the measure I have put forth ,could be considered a "Founding Father" later repudiated the document ,betraying his  pledge made to each other with "our Lives,our Fortune and our Sacred Honor"...Richard Stockton of New Jersey
Five signers in all were captured by the British...only Stockton made such an ignoble deal.None of them ,by any report ,were tortured or subject to "special" treatment from their British captors.
What any of this has to do with British history is tenuous at best,ceptin that at the time the two histories do sort of intersect

The ultimate David and Goliath of all revolutions...an upstart bunch of ragtag shoe-clerks and rednecks kicked the worlds super power out of her prized colony ? I'd say that is a very big moment in British history.
"ragtag shoe-clerks and rednecks"  ? I'm not sure which revolution you are referring to.The American Revolution was initiated,in near totality,by the upper class of American society.I'm not about to argue whether or not there was a redneck or shoe-clerk in the mix....but no one follows rednecks and shoe-clerks into a confrontation with ,what at the time,was the worlds foremost military power.The men who signed the Declaration were all "Gentleman".....Lawyers,Doctors social leaders of all stripes....there were no rednecks present.


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RE: Brtitish History as Ametica understands it ? - 4/2/2011 10:22:47 PM   
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if we REALLY won the revolutionary war briton would be the 51st state LOL

The king told US where the bear was gonna shit in HIS buckwheat NOT the other way around LOL

and he was so kind to let us pay off our revolutionary war debt on a 70 year bond.

dont you think that was sweet of him?





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RE: Brtitish History as Ametica understands it ? - 4/2/2011 11:03:37 PM   
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Jews were not treated well...I dont think anyone can deny that, but mostly it was religious fear and ignorance. But as we know thats still rampant today in certain areas



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RE: Brtitish History as Ametica understands it ? - 4/2/2011 11:09:54 PM   
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You've never practiced segregation?

Did you really just say that?


Immigration rise increases segregation in British cities - Times ...


Charles Clarke, the home secretary, announced in February that the government would try to end “chain migration” under which migrants come to Britain to join spouses or other relatives.



RML, you are confusing immigration with segregation.


Did you read the link?

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RE: Brtitish History as Ametica understands it ? - 4/3/2011 3:30:12 AM   
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Interestingly,one of the signers,who by the measure I have put forth ,could be considered a "Founding Father" later repudiated the document ,betraying his  pledge made to each other with "our Lives,our Fortune and our Sacred Honor"...Richard Stockton of New Jersey
Five signers in all were captured by the British...only Stockton made such an ignoble deal.None of them ,by any report ,were tortured or subject to "special" treatment from their British captors.
What any of this has to do with British history is tenuous at best,ceptin that at the time the two histories do sort of intersect

The ultimate David and Goliath of all revolutions...an upstart bunch of ragtag shoe-clerks and rednecks kicked the worlds super power out of her prized colony ? I'd say that is a very big moment in British history.


It is not regarded as a big moment, here. Most people here don't realise that Britain was at war with the United States at some point in her history. Put simply, it isn't taught in schools because the Napoleonic Wars was the major event in that period of history, one which defined Britain's position in relation to Europe (i.e. Europe came to be seen as an area of despotism and one to be avoided unless it directly threatened British interests), and one which lead to a period of sustained economic growth and fiscal conservatism from a position of a huge national debt and very near bankrupcy.

The United States was never the 'jewel in the crown', that was reserved for Australia and India at different points. I suppose the US was not indispensable as seen by the limited weight of force the British threw into the fight, whereas other areas of the world were deemed to be of greater importance to British interests.

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RE: Brtitish History as Ametica understands it ? - 4/3/2011 4:30:01 AM   
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Edward I expelled Jews from England.


I have stated that in the past. The question was about segregation, which we havent had.

You could argue Edwards edict was over usary anyway. It certainly wasnt solely due to colour or race.

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RE: Brtitish History as Ametica understands it ? - 4/3/2011 4:54:26 AM   
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You've never practiced segregation?

Did you really just say that?


Immigration rise increases segregation in British cities - Times ...


Charles Clarke, the home secretary, announced in February that the government would try to end “chain migration” under which migrants come to Britain to join spouses or other relatives.



RML, you are confusing immigration with segregation.


Did you read the link?



Yes, I read the link. Why do you think I asked you the question. Segregation never took place in the UK.

Firstly, the report mention is by Migrationwatch. An organisation some will consider racist at worse, or anti-immigration at best. The report itself doesnt mention segregation as took place in America. It just mentions a change in the Racial Mix in certain UK Cities. There are several reasons for this, such as birth rates being higher in Ethnic communities. Add to that affluent white families making fortunes during the housing boom and being able to move from the city to the country, always a long held ambition of the working class. For instance, my brother was able to sell his house in South East London and buy a 400 year old farmhouse in Devon and also take early retirement with the proceeds.

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RE: Brtitish History as Ametica understands it ? - 4/3/2011 5:01:43 AM   
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The ultimate David and Goliath of all revolutions...an upstart bunch of ragtag shoe-clerks and rednecks kicked the worlds super power out of her prized colony ? I'd say that is a very big moment in British history.


You forget the influence of the French Army and Navy. No freedom fries for you today.


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RE: Brtitish History as Ametica understands it ? - 4/3/2011 6:27:37 AM   
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Really never? Maybe you should ask some Jews if that is so?


Care to provide an example Ken ? Jewish Immigrants lived in working class neighbourhoods along with the rest of the working class.


Prior to the expulsion Jews were only alowed to live in neighborhoods called jewries and were restricted almost eclusively to moneylending to make a living.

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RE: Brtitish History as Ametica understands it ? - 4/3/2011 6:43:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		And I believe they were tolerated as much Jewish money financed Monarchal and Aristocral expeditions, so it could be much of the ancient monachy that still exists in this world was enabled by the Jews.

Tricky thing being disliked but needed at the same time.

But I suppose it could have been a choice between church and state, state needs but church hates.

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RE: Brtitish History as Ametica understands it ? - 4/3/2011 11:07:41 AM   
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Really never? Maybe you should ask some Jews if that is so?


Care to provide an example Ken ? Jewish Immigrants lived in working class neighbourhoods along with the rest of the working class.



Think of White Castle here in America, or Whitechapel there in England.  The Juwes are not the men who will not be blamed for nothing.

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RE: Brtitish History as Ametica understands it ? - 4/3/2011 12:12:48 PM   
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The ultimate David and Goliath of all revolutions...an upstart bunch of ragtag shoe-clerks and rednecks kicked the worlds super power out of her prized colony ? I'd say that is a very big moment in British history.


You forget the influence of the French Army and Navy. No freedom fries for you today.


French loans had a far larger influence of the outcome of the Revolution than French arms.All the same,we did owe them a rather large debt....one that Black Jack Pershing sought to settle in WW I.The way I figure it the ledger swung in our favor come 1944.


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RE: Brtitish History as Ametica understands it ? - 4/3/2011 12:22:04 PM   
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RE: Brtitish History as Ametica understands it ? - 4/3/2011 12:31:42 PM   
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RE: Brtitish History as Ametica understands it ? - 4/3/2011 1:56:58 PM   
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Therefore, the House of Windsor are nothing more than usurpers.

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